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#3241
point is there a plenty of awd, "fast" vehicles out there.
I mean compare the TL-SHAWD to the Genesis 3.8 (RWD) or the Infiniti G37 Sedan (RWD), It's quicker in the quarter and sprint to 60. It does this with less torque, less hp, and more weight, all similiar motor sizes. I just wish the TL had better and more reliable aftermarket support, that would be amazing.
Yeah, like 0-60 means everything.
WRX goes out of hole like a crazy bat for sure. Put about 1.5-2 car lengths on my car instantly. I start to reel them in pretty damn fast from the beginning of 3rd gear. By the time I'm almost done with 4th gear, I'm in front of my friend's 2011 WRX and put more lengths as the race goes on further. This happens every time we try it. And it was the pretty much the same thing when I only had my motor mount and intake.
On a sushi race, he has no chance whatsoever.
AWD cars are not fast without several bolt-ons at least. They need more power to keep up with the same powered FWD or RWD. It just feels VERY fast as it launches like a crazy monkey.
It's just funny how some people with STi and EVO always think their cars are the fastest cars on the road. Yes, they are BRUTALLY fast when modded right , that's for sure.
WRX goes out of hole like a crazy bat for sure. Put about 1.5-2 car lengths on my car instantly. I start to reel them in pretty damn fast from the beginning of 3rd gear. By the time I'm almost done with 4th gear, I'm in front of my friend's 2011 WRX and put more lengths as the race goes on further. This happens every time we try it. And it was the pretty much the same thing when I only had my motor mount and intake.
On a sushi race, he has no chance whatsoever.
AWD cars are not fast without several bolt-ons at least. They need more power to keep up with the same powered FWD or RWD. It just feels VERY fast as it launches like a crazy monkey.
It's just funny how some people with STi and EVO always think their cars are the fastest cars on the road. Yes, they are BRUTALLY fast when modded right , that's for sure.
dont take any of this to heart, as usual it is all imo.
#3242
Team Owner
Plenty of quick cars use awd and no v8 with good to ok performance.
point is there a plenty of awd, "fast" vehicles out there.
I mean compare the TL-SHAWD to the Genesis 3.8 (RWD) or the Infiniti G37 Sedan (RWD), It's quicker in the quarter and sprint to 60. It does this with less torque, less hp, and more weight, all similiar motor sizes. I just wish the TL had better and more reliable aftermarket support, that would be amazing.
To me 0-60 times are very important, I don't race from 0-180mph or 45-70mph. It is usually a dead stop to the next light. To me 3 things matter in measuring performance, 0-60, slalom, and 0-100-0.
dont take any of this to heart, as usual it is all imo.
point is there a plenty of awd, "fast" vehicles out there.
I mean compare the TL-SHAWD to the Genesis 3.8 (RWD) or the Infiniti G37 Sedan (RWD), It's quicker in the quarter and sprint to 60. It does this with less torque, less hp, and more weight, all similiar motor sizes. I just wish the TL had better and more reliable aftermarket support, that would be amazing.
To me 0-60 times are very important, I don't race from 0-180mph or 45-70mph. It is usually a dead stop to the next light. To me 3 things matter in measuring performance, 0-60, slalom, and 0-100-0.
dont take any of this to heart, as usual it is all imo.
SRT8 is what you should get.
#3243
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Why discontinue the TSX? I havent seen sales numbers the past few months, but I thought they were moving them rather well. I can understand making a smaller TSX for the next generation since they are supposedly making the TL smaller, but it still doesnt make sense to me why they would retire the nameplate to resurrect the RSX name - especially on something that doesn't look sporty at all.
#3244
I'm Craig
iTrader: (2)
Why discontinue the TSX? I havent seen sales numbers the past few months, but I thought they were moving them rather well. I can understand making a smaller TSX for the next generation since they are supposedly making the TL smaller, but it still doesnt make sense to me why they would retire the nameplate to resurrect the RSX name - especially on something that doesn't look sporty at all.
#3246
Why discontinue the TSX? I havent seen sales numbers the past few months, but I thought they were moving them rather well. I can understand making a smaller TSX for the next generation since they are supposedly making the TL smaller, but it still doesnt make sense to me why they would retire the nameplate to resurrect the RSX name - especially on something that doesn't look sporty at all.
So this sub-TSX or potential TSX-replacement would soldier on in the TSX's spot. But it can't use the TSX name cause using the Civic platform drastically changes car's entire feel. Imagine when the RSX came out and Acura called it a CL. Won't fly.
That's the only reason I can think of as to why Acura is going down this route.
#3248
Race Director
I think most makers have gotten off that treadmill and for Honda it can't make the Euro Accord any bigger due to the competition for that car outside of the US. It has to be a bean counter arguement - the TSX is too expensive to import, despite sometimes being the best selling Acura.
#3250
My first Avatar....
I wouldn't drive it because its another FWD I4 sedan with a beak.
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phee (12-01-2011)
#3252
and he thinks it's not lame at all
#3253
My first Avatar....
Originally Posted by phile
and he thinks it's not lame at all
#3255
Team Owner
i still do not understand why they discontinued RSX, Integra?
If Acura decided not to have "cheap" cars, then do something with your "expensive" cars.
If you are not going to do something with your "expensive" cars, then dont kill your volume leader.
If Acura decided not to have "cheap" cars, then do something with your "expensive" cars.
If you are not going to do something with your "expensive" cars, then dont kill your volume leader.
#3256
The sizzle in the Steak
They have always been all over the map.
Build NSX....discontinue NSX....attempt to build again....kill it.
Start out with a push to tier one.....pull back....again state target for tier one....pull back yet again.
Integra RSX not good for the brand "below entry level".....bring 'em back.
Stick with a plan and go with it!!!!
#3257
Acura planned to go more upmarket. At the time, the economy was good, and luxury cars were selling. About the same time Acura planned to move upmarket, cars sales dropped off the map, and the world economy collapsed. Now with competitors like Volvo introducing the C30, Audi the A3, BMW the 1-series, Lexus the CT200, the time is ripe for Acura to reintroduce a cheaper car than the TSX.
#3258
Fahrvergnügen'd
Acura planned to go more upmarket. At the time, the economy was good, and luxury cars were selling. About the same time Acura planned to move upmarket, cars sales dropped off the map, and the world economy collapsed. Now with competitors like Volvo introducing the C30, Audi the A3, BMW the 1-series, Lexus the CT200, the time is ripe for Acura to reintroduce a cheaper car than the TSX.
#3259
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
It just seems to me as though Acura/Honda product planners can't predict the automotive landscape, or are too much of a pussy to release a game changing vehicle.
#3260
The sizzle in the Steak
While I don't disagree with that, if you'll notice BMW and Audi did not shit their pants every time ideal conditions turned for the worse. They had a plan and stuck with it and modified it as conditions warranted but didn't just jump off a bridge at the first sign of trouble. Unlike Acura/Honda ...
At Honda/Acura the inmates run the asylum.
...and if you believe it was all "market conditions" that determined whether vehicles should be produced....and that, that idea was a sound one by Honda/Acura, then why is Hyundai so successful....having produced the Genesis, & Equis for the U.S.......both with V8 power...and RWD, and quality/features that surpass Acura.......in the current market conditions....
#3261
Hyundai took risks.
#3262
Senior Moderator
And its not about racing, there are plenty of real world situations oh......say Passing a car that is VERY important to many that isnt racing. AWD doesnt help this!
AWD is great, IF there is enough power to back it up!
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Invisible (09-21-2011)
#3263
Can anyone give me some advice on putting some staggered rims on my 2009 TL? I've looked all over for options/ pics but I can't seem to find anything solid. Also, if anyone could tell me a website I can go to find aftermarket accesories to trick it out a bit, that would be awesome!
THANKS!
THANKS!
#3265
I'm sure those awd vehicles I mentioned would have a terribly hard time to pass a vehicle
#3266
So you RACE on public streets from stop light to stop light!
#3267
Senior Moderator
#3268
Three Wheelin'
I'm AWD, and have never had any issues with passing / merging within the posted legal speed limits...
I often find myself outside of the posted legal limit... teetering in and out of 3 and 4th gear
I often find myself outside of the posted legal limit... teetering in and out of 3 and 4th gear
#3269
#3271
Senior Moderator
What Acura would he have purchased if he had the cash? But since we're being realistic lets assume he was on a budget and only had 40-50K to spend. Which Acura sports car would you have him purchase then? 30K? A Honda sports car? Nope.
We can play this game all day.
We can play this game all day.
#3272
It's really amusing to read kids bitch about Acura not building a super car when all they drive is an economy car Civic.
#3273
Senior Moderator
One day that 'kid' may be able to afford that Supercar and guess what, it won't be an Acura he buys. But forget about a Supercar, where's the 30-60K sports car or 2 door coupe? If you want a sports car Acura/Honda isn't for you, that's a much bigger issue than not having an NSX replacement IMO.
#3274
My first Avatar....
#3275
One day that 'kid' may be able to afford that Supercar and guess what, it won't be an Acura he buys. But forget about a Supercar, where's the 30-60K sports car or 2 door coupe? If you want a sports car Acura/Honda isn't for you, that's a much bigger issue than not having an NSX replacement IMO.
Acura doesn't offer a large full size V8 SUV either, so I went elsewhere and bought one. No point in complaining in every single post about every single product that Honda or Acura introduces.
#3276
Senior Moderator
But Honda/Acura never sold a V8 SUV, they used to sell a couple of bonified sports cars that they let die on vine and more than a few 'sporty' cars. Which is the reason most of us are here today. Not all, but most. So we have every reason and right to complain.
#3277
Honda sold V8 body on frame SUVs in Japan as the CrossRoad. Knowing that, should I complain in say a CR-Z thread that Honda has abandoned it's roots and left us wanting.
#3278
Senior Moderator
Are you serious?
This isn't a CR-Z thread, its a general Acura thread about all its models and future direction. If complaints about no RWD and a V8 turn up in the ZDX thread then you have a point, but not in this thread.
And lol about selling that V8 where none of us here could buy it.
This isn't a CR-Z thread, its a general Acura thread about all its models and future direction. If complaints about no RWD and a V8 turn up in the ZDX thread then you have a point, but not in this thread.
And lol about selling that V8 where none of us here could buy it.
#3279
Are you serious?
This isn't a CR-Z thread, its a general Acura thread about all its models and future direction. If complaints about no RWD and a V8 turn up in the ZDX thread then you have a point, but not in this thread.
And lol about selling that V8 where none of us here could buy it.
This isn't a CR-Z thread, its a general Acura thread about all its models and future direction. If complaints about no RWD and a V8 turn up in the ZDX thread then you have a point, but not in this thread.
And lol about selling that V8 where none of us here could buy it.
NOTED:
From now on, everytime Acura brings a new product, I'll follow the Forum trend and I'll complain that Acura no longer sells a Body-on-Frame V6 RWD SUV in the USA any longer.