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I'm sorry to all the Acura fans out there but can we final cut the bullshit and agree this isn't the car Acura hyped about?

Doesn't matter if it comes with double wish bone suspension as 90% of whoever is buying it won't realize what it is or what it does other than it sounds like something built for a race track
Doesn't matter that the transmission is beefed up or that it has SH-AWD because it's still held back from doing a proper launch control and holds back on certain shifts
Doesn't matter that it has a twin scroll engine with 6 bolt mains or whatever else we can brag about, it's an ass backwards design, redline's too low and the lackluster power.
Doesn't matter that "it's a great deal" not when dealershits are marking them up at 5-15K.
Doesn't matter if you claim "It will be reliable" because it will cost significantly more to maintain long term.

All I've been reading are petty excuses from those that failed to acknowledge from the beginning that it was over priced, over hyped, over rated and over weight. From "the engine isn't broken in yet" to the "wasn't in sport plus mode" to "didn't launch control correct" to "It beat the S4 at the Acura event" to "Soyfan did 4.5". Let's just drop the BS already. Can we all agree it's not what Acura and their clever PR wording made out this car to be? It's simply a well rounded vehicle with decent luxury features, with OK performance that could be bought at a decent price (without dealer markup's) and that's it.

fiatlux

In other words, it’s just the same kind of car Acura has always built, and not the quantum jump their marketing department or dealerships would lead you to believe. If this is what Precision Crafted Performance is, they’re hosed. They couldn’t compete with the competition when it came to luxury, so they (smartly) pivoted to performance, but evidently they can’t compete on performance either. So it’s back to competing on price, but with the ADM that’s a no go too.

Honda430

Did you own a TLX-1? The 2 is a quantum leap over the 1. Is it the kind of car some of y’all want, no. Yet to say it’s not a vast improvement over the first generation is not being honest.

leomio2.0

From Motor1.com in an interview with Jon Ikeda:

fiatlux

I do own a 1G TLX, and no the regular 2G is merely a much needed evolution of it. The Type S was supposed to put Acura back into the performance conversation, but instead the only time it’s talked about now is when people make fun of it for being the slowest in its segment.

DubPK

I think the 2G TLX is a home run overall, it really feels like a step above the Accord which has been a problem for them in the past. It’s a real shame the Type S is going to become a ‘Type Slow’ meme in the community after Acura put so much money into marketing their precision crafted performance. It’s so disappointing as a Honda fan.

whiteGSR

Just curious, but doesn't the TLX-S have a separate sport mode for the transmission?

I know most people were complaining because it's not a true manual mode as it still upshifts automatically before redline, but wondering if in these videos during the "sport mode" runs that they bothered to change the transmission mode to Sport or not.

BEAR-AvHistory

Its normal to balance both cars in transmission & or Launch Control settings in these runs. A lot will make runs in all settings. Car is missing about 50BHP not sport mode.

loki

I've driven the Type S. The transmission always upshifts early. There's nothing you can do to prevent it, Sport, Sport+, doesn't matter. It doesn't even go near redline, let alone hold the revs up high. It's extremely frustrating. You try going into a corner and want to be in the high rev spot so you can go WOT out of the corner and the car goes HA-HA, upshifts and you go @#$$_#@!!!

Also, there is a total dead spot in 1st gear until you get to 3000 RPM. Literally nothing is happening, then the turbo surge starts. The only way to enjoy this car is to leave it in auto mode and give up on the 0-60 part.

Shadow2056

No. It's not what Acura's PR made it out to be. When I saw the power, I knew it wasn't going to be beating the other cars in it's class. I didn't care. I don't like the other cars in it's class. Lol. Except the M340i. The Audi and Mercedes. Ewww. Audi S4 looks muted. Mercedes. Not a fan of their interior layout.

This is all everyone's opinions really. If someone doesn't like it. Fine. If someone loves it. Fine. If they love it, they're going to defend it. That's something EVERYONE here will have to get over.

What I don't like though? Is people just down right dogging the car because it's not what they want and talking about they're going to another brand. Ok. Go.

I THOUGHT this thread was supposed to be about pricing and availability...

ELIN

Pricing is sky-high (w/ADM) and availability is crap. What else is there to talk about?

Honda430

Even the dealership where I purchased my last two Acuras that does typically price gouge is selling the S over MSRP. It is what it is.

BEAR-AvHistory

It might not be shifting early. If should be shifting on the ability of the engine to accelerate the car. The RED LINE is a do not exceed line because you may break the engine point not a shift point. Someone needs to get the car on a dyno & see what the actual power curve looks like then figure the shift point. Think I mentioned before when I was racing the 335is the red line IIRC was 7000rpm. Best shift point was 6250 in my set up. The 435/135 N55 was 5900. Have not done the other cars.

Most cars will list their maximum power @ rpm in the specs. Acura lists 355 hp @ 5500 rpm so there is your answer. The S4 is listed at 349 hp @ 6300 rpm so it will have higher shift points. Based on the race I think the S4 BHP number is fudged downward.

Some of the tunes raise the red line but its dumb in most cases. You are pushing the engine into a RPM range it does not want to be in & the turbos are dead over low 6000.


One of my charts when I was working out shift points in the beta test/

Shadow2056

Good thing is Acura folks are gonna start seeing a decline in sales vs people in the showroom. They'll try to figure out why the Type S aren't moving. When they see the stupid mark ups, dealers will catch a stern talking to form Acura and be made to drop the mark ups. Especially the dealers that don't move much inventory.

loki

They don't need to figure anything out. You really think one of those Acura bean pushers isn't on this forum, watching everything we say? They know exactly what's happening. If CTR is anything to go on (4+ years on the market, still 20-30% over MSRP), we're in for disappointment.

Shadow2056

I think it's more of "Let's see what's going on." Not "Hey. The guys on the forums are saying they're marking them up." I'm sure if a massive group of serious buyers put in a complain to the manufactures, they'd crack down. Lol. Not just a bunch of people on a car forum that were talking about they were going to the competition because the Type S doesn't have HUD.

Camaro194

Got one coming next month. Unfortunately, neither of the three local dealers have been able to get what I'm looking for, so I'll be driving a few hours to get it. They should have the build date later this week.

loki

06/2021 (99%).

Did you pay mark-up?

Camaro194

No markup. Of the four dealers I spoke with, only one was doing that ($2-3k). The other three were all doing MSRP.

BEAR-AvHistory

Two things. Are you sure there is a massive group of serious buyers. How do you weed them out as serious from the general posters. Some of the biggest pro TLX-S guys have not bought one in 15 years since back when they were $37.000.

An outside point...trying to pedal a performance car without a HUD might suggest the Acura is the one thats not serious.

loki

If every single poster here bought Type S, it would still be irrelevant number. How many of us here are really active? Let's say 1000 which isn't realistic at all but let's say it. If every single one of us bought it, it wouldn't even make a dent in what they hope to sell. Realistically, I doubt even 50 people from this forum will buy a Type S. That's less than state size of Delaware dealers will sell this year.

Kense

Aren’t they only releasing 2000 cars this year? If 1000 people bought that would be huge for them.

Edward'TLS

Do US dealerships has any TLX Type-S inventory ? My local Canadian dealership is delivering the cars to customers as soon as new Type-S's are coming in.

BEAR-AvHistory

Forget 50 from the forum buying one I don't think there are 50 people on the entire forum including all us haters. Only way to tell what is selling is if they break out the Type-S sales number. Unless thats done the claims of sales will be off the wall. Nobody sells a major chunk of their volume in these types of cars out side of the exotics which is all they sell.

We have two here with ADM's nitrogen etc

loki

They'll never tell. I've asked Honda through so many channels, social media, corporate contact forms, even Honda media reps for info how many manual Accords were sold, the closest I got to an answer is same what they told C&D when they asked, between 1% and 2% of all sales. Why would it be a secret? How would that hurt them to release it? Civic Type R gets serial number stamped below the shifter. PMC editions also. But God forbit they release info on manuals.

mike03a3

Manual Accords would have sold better if dealer GMs weren't such idiots. When we went shopping to replace my daughter's old Accord EXL V6 with a new one the dealer (where we had been buying Accords for the family since 1988) said they didn't keep any in stock since there was no customer demand. When I asked how long it would take to get one if we ordered it. The reply? Quite a while, we have a waiting list for them!

mike03a3

I haven't bought one since my '07 TL Type S 6MT. I've been waiting for Acura to finally build a replacement. Sadly, having finally had my hands on one, I think they missed the mark. I left the Acura dealer and went to drive a BMW for the first time to see for myself what all the noise here and online is about. Now I'll probably buy a BMW, something I had never before considered.

(BTW, the back then $37,000 is about $50,000 today.)

loki

I got mine in June 2019 at Elgin Honda (Illinois). Car got off the truck 2 hours before I got there so the car was covered in transport dust, plastic and didn't even have fuses in yet. Factory sheet was still on the floor so I snapped picture before they removed it. Car was built May 14, 2019 and it got there May 21, 2019 when I visited the dealership. It was way the hell in the back by other cars that were dropped off that day. First time I ever bought a car with less than 2 miles on the odometer. I had to wait 4 hours for the car to be ready (PDI and all other BS). I got it for $28,000, down from $31,700. I figured $3700 discount on a rare manual car brand new is pretty good. A lot of people were so happy to pay MSRP, just to get the manual before they were gone.

Shadow2056

Well that's what I'm saying. They're not going to take serious a bunch of people on a forum that have bashed the Type S, talking about how it's supposed to have a HUD, and have no real intentions of buying it. But I meant people that are serious buyers as a whole.

You you FEEL that it NEEDS an HUD. It doesn't. It's not a race car. Someone being stuck on something so small compared to the rest of the car, they're not going to take that serious.

If they actually watched these forums, they probably wouldn't even consider making them again as much as people complained about what it didn't have and other cars that can beat it.

pyrodan007

Sounds like catch 22, no? I would have bought it if it had a HUD. If it's missing something someone really wants, why would they continue being serious about buying it further down the line.

fiatlux

As much as I like to bag on Acura dealerships for marking up the Type S, yeesh take a look at the markups on the 4Runner TRD Pro: https://www.4runners.com/threads/msr...st-them.20301/

$10K-$20K in markups for a car that's going on 12 years old now! Makes the Acura dealerships look like they're being run by Mother Teresa.

vhtran

wow that's fricking crazy

mike03a3

Who the f**k are you to tell me what my car needs or doesn't need? Have you even driven a car with a HUD? I have and I love it. I also like the 360 views that are common these days.
I went to the dealer EXPECTING to buy a new Type-S to replace my current TL Type S 6MT. It never occurred to me I wouldn't be able to have either, since they are readily available on the Accord, TLX and the German cars Acura claimed to be marketing against. As far as that being small compared to the rest of the car, its performance is also lacking. So, in a short time I've gone from eagerly awaiting a new Type S to going, for the first time in my life, to a BMW dealer to sample their wares. I would have looked at a Jag XF, but Jaguar is abandoning sedans in favor of electrified SUVs. If I could have an XF with the new 450hp engine they introduced for the 2020 F-Type I would buy one in a heartbeat. I don't need a Jag sports car, I still have the Series III E-Type I bought new in 1974.
As it turns out, I really liked the BMWs. I preferred the 5 series, which is closer to the TLX Type-S in size and weight and offers all the candy I can eat. I'm fortunate in not having to watch my pennies, so I'm thinking of getting an M550i. I tend to keep my cars for a very long time, so why not? I thought I would be getting the best performing Acura short of the NSX. A car with all the latest bells and whistles. When it missed the mark on both features and performance I was very disappointed.

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As a owner of a pristine 3rd gen TL (6MT, Navi, A-spec) I had a hard time finding another vehicle (more or less for my wife). We test drove sooo many vehicles and nothing felt like the connection I have with the 3rd gen TL. I ended up getting a fully loaded 2019 X3 M40i which has the heads up display. I will say, it's indeed an awesome feature and I can't see myself getting another vehicle without it. Even things like cooled seats and heated rear seats were something I didn't want to give up and so I got lucky that I found everything I wanted. It was the best money spent including the performance of the B58 Engine. This is not me saying my vehicle is better than XYZ or BMW is the best, it's the best option that worked for us and what I ultimately wanted. Vehicle is paid for, modified and has extended warranty. Wifey loves it, I love the performance and it's a win / win. The M550i is a serious sedan. It's well worth it over the M5 (I know the BMW guys are going to jump me) but honestly, the M550i is a well rounded vehicle with a 0-60 in 3.4 seconds and you get a better riding vehicle vs the M5. Though, I do have a sweet spot for a CS edition M5 / M4

Ghostof TypeS Past

This car is 100x better than the 2007 TL Type S! I kept my 2006 knowing that the HP gain between the navi 6spd and the Type S was less than a 30HP gain… plus the seats in the type S were hideous!! Same car, same engine just a different iteration.

This new Type S is something totally different!! Unless you try to argue that it’s the same 3.5L as before just with a turbo and 70 mor HP!!

csmeance

^ agree, once you are accustomed to those features in a DD it's hard to go back esp when you are spending good $$$ for the latest tech. Cooled seats in FL rock!

Folks don't want to spend premium dollars on outdated tech no matter their phone or their car. Acura puts customers into this situation for no reason whatsoever. Just let folks have their fully loaded cars with any of the paint colors offered and any interior. Limiting buyers for no reason on this makes ZERO sense. I'd love to have a Purple Type-S with Orchid interior but that isn't happening....

BMW's offerings are stunning but I don't know about long term reliability. For nearly 17 years they have been having failures of the valve stem seals and other issues on their V8's that are labor intensive to fix. 2009+ active hybrid 5 and 7 series are being totalled out once the battery computer fails as they don't sell it seperate from the battery, which is over 10K minimum.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

My TL makes more than the type-s and that's to the wheels and It has a 3rd pedal

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iTrader: (1)

I agree with you. I didn't want a V8 due to prior issues they had. I know the B48 and B58 engines are very reliable and solid. What's funny, on the BMW forums, they are soo obsessed with not having the latest and greatest technology. They are always posting "Is there a way to get the latest I-Drive"

BEAR-AvHistory

With all due respect I don't FEEL it needs a HUD. Common competitive market research says it needs a HUD. What Acura is selling with the Type-S is a sporting image. Most cars over a basic Civic, Corolla or Sentra are sold on image. Beside being an excellent add to any car a HUD projects, no pun intended. that performance fighter pilot image. The entire segment that Acura wants to crack BMW, Audi, MB offer HUD's. Cars like Stingray have HUDS.

You leave it out & you leave out a very very useful & image enchasing piece of hardware. Nobody wants to look down inside the car to see shift points at speed. For the average guys not interested in 0-60 having the entire interchange on the interstate displayed, including the lane you should be in, before you get to it is a very good thing. You can get one in an Accord, Lamborghini & most everything in between except the TLX-TypeS.

I remember the same deal when turn signals came out. Who needs them I can just stick my arm out the window? I had to stick my arm out to pass my drivers test in 1959. Now they are universal.

loki

One thing no one is talking about is that the new TLX was announced to the world over a year ago in June 2020. I'm talking about the final product, not prototype from 2018 and 2019. Type S is just now rolling out, after the car is more than a year old. It's almost obsolete by default. Not twin turbo, not 4s 60mph, not dual clutch, not available in manual, lower engine option comes with more luxury features, etc. It missed it's mark. Plain and simple. Mark-ups are just adding salt to open injury.