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Sorry Tony, the difference between you and I, I'm a car enthusiasts not a fan boy. I could ask you the same in return. Who in their right mind will pay 50K+ for a TLX-S? This is all new to Acura and their reliability has been in the shit can for a long time. Joke is on you if you REALLY believe this will put a hurting on the Germans. It's nearly impossible for Acura to sell as many units. By the time they come out with this vehicle, what makes you think the competition won't advance? Acura will once again be behind the ball before they even start. I REALLY hope you are the 1st one here to buy the TLX-S. Prove us all wrong.
i think you missed the whole point. If you’re a true enthusiast, Acura ain’t for you. Go get an M or AMG my brother.
if you read my message that’s what I exactly said, it’s very tough for Acura or any Japanese brand to compete with the Germans. Germans are simply the best and they have the money and resources to make the best cars out there.
my point was when people compare Kia and Hyundai to Acura, Infiniti or Lexus, they are 100% wrong. people will never pay that kind of money to get Kia and Hyundai. The same way people don’t want to pay $60K for an Acura or even
lexus. Perfect example is Lexus GS, amazing car, but couldn’t compete at that price range with the Germans.
Keep comparing the car to Genesis or K5, people won’t pay $45-50K to buy these cars. Just logical, if we say people won’t pay for Acura, Infiniti and even Lexus $60K then do you really think people will pay $50K for Kia or Hyundai brands. The answer is a big fat NO! What happened to Stinger? It will be this and it will be that? Please someone share the sales figures for 2019. Collecting dust lol! Infiniti is giving you 400HP sport sedan for ($55K CAD). It’s collecting dust and no one is looking at it. Koreans made this far, I think it’s great and they should be proud of it. But it will take them years to get that real premium position.
Totally agree! Yes, Koreans have made huge strides but let's be honest G70/Stinger barely put a dent in any sales figures. Genesis needs a dealer network like 2 years ago. Keyboard warriors always praise these cars online but they ain't putting their hard earned money to buy them. I even see this on this site, so much hype but they still drive an Audi or BMW and will jump the ship if the Type S brings the goods. As for KIA K5, they should focus on Accord/Camry. If they start taking these buyers away they will be very successful.
Also, I mentioned that what happened to Kia stinger? Why isn’t sellin? Everyone was saying it’s the best and it will be Competing with Germans and etc. Forget Germans, it couldn’t even keep up with Japanese.
I think a lot more people would be willing to pay $50k for a TLX Type S than they would for a Kia.
Genesis G70 starts at $36,000. An AWD Advance G80 is $57,000. There will be a lot of choices in the $50-$60 range. Believe a Type S will fall into that pricing.
Totally agree! Yes, Koreans have made huge strides but let's be honest G70/Stinger barely put a dent in any sales figures. Genesis needs a dealer network like 2 years ago. Keyboard warriors always praise these cars online but they ain't putting their hard earned money to buy them. I even see this on this site, so much hype but they still drive an Audi or BMW and will jump the ship if the Type S brings the goods. As for KIA K5, they should focus on Accord/Camry. If they start taking these buyers away they will be very successful.
nailed it!!!!!
its so true. All these Korean lovers never drive one. They just like to praise the brand but yet hesitate to put their $50K on it. Coz in reality they know it. The car will worth $25K after 2 years.
wait till you see the magic 😜 I remind people to look at the success of RDX!
It's not a good comparison, as that segment is outselling sedans by default. And while I like the RDX I do feel as if it looks pretty boring and I was behind another one the other day and at first didn't even realize that it was an RDX.
Originally Posted by Tony Pac
Keep comparing the car to Genesis or K5, people won’t pay $45-50K to buy these cars. Just logical, if we say people won’t pay for Acura, Infiniti and even Lexus $60K then do you really think people will pay $50K for Kia or Hyundai brands. The answer is a big fat NO! What happened to Stinger? It will be this and it will be that? Please someone share the sales figures for 2019. Collecting dust lol! Infiniti is giving you 400HP sport sedan for ($55K CAD). It’s collecting dust and no one is looking at it. Koreans made this far, I think it’s great and they should be proud of it. But it will take them years to get that real premium position.
But this post kind of proves the point that even solid performing sports sedans aren't selling. Sign of the times unfortunately but price is of course a factor. So if the TLX-S is priced too highly, missing critical options, whatever it won't be moving many units.
It's not a good comparison, as that segment is outselling sedans by default. And while I like the RDX I do feel as if it looks pretty boring and I was behind another one the other day and at first didn't even realize that it was an RDX.
But this post kind of proves the point that even solid performing sports sedans aren't selling. Sign of the times unfortunately but price is of course a factor. So if the TLX-S is priced too highly, missing critical options, whatever it won't be moving many units.
yes agreed that sedans aren’t selling like before. Acura has to price the TLX Type S reasonably. If it’s 2-3K less than the Germans. It won’t sell.
Germans have established a very strong base and Japanese can’t take that away from them. That’s why I am saying the same goes to Koreans. No matter what Koreans make, they won’t sell or compete with Japanese, let’s forget Germans.
Who owns a Kia stinger or Genesis here?
i know many have Audi’s, BMWs and MB. But what about Koreans? As their primary or secondary vehicle? Let us know
Who owns a Kia stinger or Genesis here?
i know many have Audi’s, BMWs and MB. But what about Koreans? As their primary or secondary vehicle? Let us know
I owned a 2011 Optima, which was a great car. It turned a lot of heads everywhere my wife went. I didn't keep it stock (as all my other vehicles aren't stock). It was a great car and had a lot of bang for buck. A fully loaded 2011 Optima vs a 2011 fully loaded TL the TL had one thing big plus, AWD with a 6MT. Other than that, the Optima had more features, looked better and cost less. KIA sold a ton of them. Addressing your other statement, I own a 2019 X3 M40i, so yes, anything after generation TL isn't for me. For someone that owns a stock 4th gen TL, you have a lot to say about performance, so why is that? You are sure quick to defend Acura and praise it to no end.. Doesn't that sound like a fan boy? Let us know.
I owned a 2011 Optima, which was a great car. It turned a lot of heads everywhere my wife went. I didn't keep it stock (as all my other vehicles aren't stock). It was a great car and had a lot of bang for buck. A fully loaded 2011 Optima vs a 2011 fully loaded TL the TL had one thing big plus, AWD with a 6MT. Other than that, the Optima had more features, looked better and cost less. KIA sold a ton of them. Addressing your other statement, I own a 2019 X3 M40i, so yes, anything after generation TL isn't for me. For someone that owns a stock 4th gen TL, you have a lot to say about performance, so why is that? You are sure quick to defend Acura and praise it to no end.. Doesn't that sound like a fan boy? Let us know.
2011 Optima why didn’t you buy another one?
if you don’t own an Acura, not sure what you’re doing here. Call me a fan boy. I have no problem with that. I love Acura and Honda and my family owns only Acura and Honda’s. At least I own one and not going to bmw or audi forums and giving me useless opinions.
if you don’t own an Acura, not sure what you’re doing here. Call me a fan boy. I have no problem with that. I love Acura and Honda and my family owns only Acura and Honda’s. At least I own one and not going to bmw or audi forums and giving me useless opinions.
I still have my 3rd gen TL you tard
thanks for pulling out the good ole "NoT SuRe WhY u HeRe" Card.. Damn fan boys
thanks for pulling out the good ole "NoT SuRe WhY u HeRe" Card.. Damn fan boys
I don’t argue or waste my time with people like. Sorry, I don’t like to insult people. Have a good day. Enjoy your BMW and keep spreading negativity! Find someone of your level to argue with you.
I don’t argue or waste my time with people like. Sorry, I don’t like to insult people. Have a good day. Enjoy your BMW and keep spreading negativity! Find someone of your level to argue with you.
Sure thing Boss, I'll glady enjoy my boosted 6MT TL and my tuned 19 X3 M40i. It's been a pleasure Tony
Hmmm.... this thread is really bitter now. What happened to optimism? Not directly addressing anyone though.
Once the surprise and novelty of the reveal wore off, I think most people came back down to Earth. Acura hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire with their performance cars, and frankly I think most of us are in a wait-and-see mode to see if they're really back, or if this is all just marketing and sunshine pumping by whichever fanboys still remain. We know what Acura was, which is why a lot of us are still here, hoping that they can recapture some of that magic, but we also know that for the past 10 years they've been a shell of their former self. During that time, a lot of us have also bought and experienced other brands, so we know just how stiff the competition is these days, both in terms of the product itself and the overall ownership experience.
Once the surprise and novelty of the reveal wore off, I think most people came back down to Earth. Acura hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire with their performance cars, and frankly I think most of us are in a wait-and-see mode to see if they're really back, or if this is all just marketing and sunshine pumping by whichever fanboys still remain. We know what Acura was, which is why a lot of us are still here, hoping that they can recapture some of that magic, but we also know that for the past 10 years they've been a shell of their former self. During that time, a lot of us have also bought and experienced other brands, so we know just how stiff the competition is these days, both in terms of the product itself and the overall ownership experience.
wait till you see the magic 😜 I remind people to look at the success of RDX!
I want to be optimistic, but I just don't see it with the way they're launching it. Building up to it like its something magical. I guess it is ... been a while since Honda put something with balls in it that wasn't wasn't a supercar. Someone said that Honda will learn from pricing of the NSX. I don't think they will with the way they're treating the Type S. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I will be. Another fine example brought up is the PMC edition TLX that has an MSRP of $49k. There's absolutely no way the Type-S, with more of everything is going to sticker at the same price as a current TLX with a paint job and was "hand built"
Minimum, the Type S will retail at $55k to start. Who wants to play over under? LoL
The only way I see it being cheaper is if the performance isn't there. ie: 350HP that isn't underrated like ze Germans.
You bring up a good point. Mercedes and BMW don't have this type of fanfare for the launch of the M/AMG models, let alone the faux M/AMG versions the Type-S actually competes against. The Acura marketing team is certainly setting the bar and expectations extremely high here; let's hope that their engineers and accountants are actually able to deliver, and that this isn't a repeat of the 1G TLX debacle.
I dunno what's going on, but the mega grilles are starting to grow on me. I don't think they look objectively "good," but I'm not as repulsed as the other concept photos I've seen. I think it'll look better overall in a sedan configuration over the coupe too. M3/M4 might actually look pretty darn good.
I dunno what's going on, but the mega grilles are starting to grow on me. I don't think they look objectively "good," but I'm not as repulsed as the other concept photos I've seen. I think it'll look better overall in a sedan configuration over the coupe too. M3/M4 might actually look pretty darn good.
Personally I think that looks beyond terrible, even worse than the 4G TL grille (which I didn't like either, sorry to any owners).
Luckily it seems like the 3-series will not have the same front fascia.
I want to be optimistic, but I just don't see it with the way they're launching it. Building up to it like its something magical. I guess it is ... been a while since Honda put something with balls in it that wasn't wasn't a supercar. Someone said that Honda will learn from pricing of the NSX. I don't think they will with the way they're treating the Type S. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I will be. Another fine example brought up is the PMC edition TLX that has an MSRP of $49k. There's absolutely no way the Type-S, with more of everything is going to sticker at the same price as a current TLX with a paint job and was "hand built"
Minimum, the Type S will retail at $55k to start. Who wants to play over under? LoL
The only way I see it being cheaper is if the performance isn't there. ie: 350HP that isn't underrated like ze Germans.
Personally, I believe if they price it in the low 50s, it will still be competitive. I'm also considering the new caddy ct5 w the v6 which is simiarly priced although the caddy has a more appealing trim level. I'm definitely interested in the new tlx, but the trim level and final pricing will determine which way i go.
Also, I mentioned that what happened to Kia stinger? Why isn’t sellin? Everyone was saying it’s the best and it will be Competing with Germans and etc. Forget Germans, it couldn’t even keep up with Japanese.
The Stinger isn't selling in huge numbers, but to everyone's surprise, including Kia's, the more expensive GT versions with the 3.3T sell much better than the 2.0T versions. The top GT models sticker for well over $50k, though I'm sure they sell for thousands less. (Edmund's "Build and Price" feature has the top GT2 trim selling about $5,500 below MSRP in my area.) Still, this shows some folks will, in fact, pay fairly hefty prices for a Kia if the car is executed well. The Telluride's success demonstrates this too.
Apparently, for 2021 Kia is upgrading the four-cylinder Stinger to the 2.5T/8DCT drivetrain from the K5 GT, at least in North America. I think that's direct competition for the 2.0T TLX, though I'd wager the Acura will have higher quality interior materials and greater overall refinement.
The Stinger isn't selling in huge numbers, but to everyone's surprise, including Kia's, the more expensive GT versions with the 3.3T sell much better than the 2.0T versions. The top GT models sticker for well over $50k, though I'm sure they sell for thousands less. (Edmund's "Build and Price" feature has the top GT2 trim selling about $5,500 below MSRP in my area.) Still, this shows some folks will, in fact, pay fairly hefty prices for a Kia if the car is executed well. The Telluride's success demonstrates this too.
Apparently, for 2021 Kia is upgrading the four-cylinder Stinger to the 2.5T/8DCT drivetrain from the K5 GT, at least in North America. I think that's direct competition for the 2.0T TLX, though I'd wager the Acura will have higher quality interior materials and greater overall refinement.
From what I've heard, the Stinger GT models a while back had crazy incentives. Like, $10k of sticker for the very fact that people weren't buying them. That could explain the sales figures. To me, the Stinger is just an ugly vehicle. I tried to like it, but I just couldn't. I would very much rather opt for its G70 cousin. I hear nothing but nightmare stories about Genesis dealers though. That is likely why you don't see more of them on the road. Their dealer networks are trash. Even the Hyundai dealer we went to when checking out the new Santa Fe, the salesmen were classless and we walked out of there without any intention of coming back, no matter how good the vehicle was (wasn't too fond of it anyway, interior materials looked and felt cheap ... seems the Koreans are good at making products that are photogenic, but aren't as nice in person).
From what I've heard, the Stinger GT models a while back had crazy incentives. Like, $10k of sticker for the very fact that people weren't buying them. That could explain the sales figures. To me, the Stinger is just an ugly vehicle. I tried to like it, but I just couldn't. I would very much rather opt for its G70 cousin. I hear nothing but nightmare stories about Genesis dealers though. That is likely why you don't see more of them on the road. Their dealer networks are trash. Even the Hyundai dealer we went to when checking out the new Santa Fe, the salesmen were classless and we walked out of there without any intention of coming back, no matter how good the vehicle was (wasn't too fond of it anyway, interior materials looked and felt cheap ... seems the Koreans are good at making products that are photogenic, but aren't as nice in person).
That's the biggest down fall for KIA / Hyundai.. Their dealerships are TERRIBLE. On the bright side, the Genesis is very reliable.
I want to be optimistic, but I just don't see it with the way they're launching it. Building up to it like its something magical. I guess it is ... been a while since Honda put something with balls in it that wasn't wasn't a supercar. Someone said that Honda will learn from pricing of the NSX. I don't think they will with the way they're treating the Type S. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I will be. Another fine example brought up is the PMC edition TLX that has an MSRP of $49k. There's absolutely no way the Type-S, with more of everything is going to sticker at the same price as a current TLX with a paint job and was "hand built"
Minimum, the Type S will retail at $55k to start. Who wants to play over under? LoL
The only way I see it being cheaper is if the performance isn't there. ie: 350HP that isn't underrated like ze Germans.
If it doesn't have an advance package or isn't advance level, I doubt it'll be that price. It might be 45-48k
If it doesn't have an advance package or isn't advance level, I doubt it'll be that price. It might be 45-48k
Current TLX A-Spec SH-AWD starts at $45k. Next gen A-Spec will likely start a little higher, probably $46-48k. Add a minimum of $5k to the Type-S. Boom. Easily into the low to mid $50k range for the Type S to start. Add onto that dealer mark-ups for the first year and you won't have one for under $60k, minimum. I'm saying it now. Don't cry when I'm right .... daddy told y'all.
If it doesn't have an advance package or isn't advance level, I doubt it'll be that price. It might be 45-48k
I think the S Type V6 will be an all in car, the top of the line. Unlike the M340 Acura does not offer much in the way of options so you might expect it to be the current Advance Package analog. The V6 engine power will force them to offer the car as a SHAWD, performance suspension, brakes, wheels & tires so you are looking over $47.3K + whatever the normal all new price increase is.
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I think the S Type V6 will be an all in car, the top of the line. Unlike the M340 Acura does not offer much in the way of options so you might expect it to be the current Advance Package analog. The V6 engine power will force them to offer the car as a SHAWD, performance suspension, brakes, wheels & tires so you are looking over $47.3K + whatever the normal all new price increase is.
The leaked dealer presentation suggests the Type-S will be based on the A-Spec trim level, and adjacent to the Advance.
Ever since Nissan put AWD in the Altima every car manufacturer wants to put AWD in there Econobox. Heck even Toyota has an AWD Camry. Lol.
Even Mazda is getting into the game with the Mazda3. Surprise surprise Honda is yet to enter the fray. I guess their philosophy is if you want AWD, get an Acura.
07-01-2020, 09:37 AM
why didn’t you buy another one?
Sure thing Boss, I'll glady enjoy my boosted 6MT TL and my tuned 19 X3 M40i. It's been a pleasure Tony 
