Shadow2056

I'm counting on that. Lol. Because once the merit of owning it for them wears off, I'll be able to get a low mileage Type S in the 30s. Lol.

ACCURATEin

Video with more shots of the cars..

ACCURATEin

That's not a bad idea. I would love to buy this thing new, but everyone is right about the depreciation once you drive it off the lot. But that new car smell though!

ACCURATEin

Oh and if someone at Acura is reading this, please just tell someone to lie to us if the car ends up making 379hp,...just round it up to 400 to appease the masses. I promise you will sell more. lol

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

I don't know if you're being serious or not but interior illumination lighting might be an Acura 1st but certainly not the case of other brands that have been doing this for a long time. It's a nice feature for sure. Wait til the car is actually produced and let's see what happens. Theres a lot of "new" for Acura. Except a lot of issues for the 1st year production run which could cause sales to drop. No need to speculate on anything other than what we know. For the rest, time will tell.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

why are you and others obsessed with this 400 number? Numbers are just numbers.. it literally means nothing if the car cant perform to those numbers. Numbers are only a very small part of the actual performance of the vehicle. I'll keep bringing this up. The germans way underrate their claimed numbers. They dyno more than the claimed numbers and perform better than advertised. So let the type s come out 1st. I assure you the enthusiasts out there will put it to the test (dyno and 1/4 runs). Everything up to now just to a bunch of numbers thrown all over the place.

fiatlux

If the RDX is of any indication, Acura hasn’t been playing the underrating game like the Germans, so if they say 365, it probably really is 365, which is to say, unless this car weighs a lot less, it will be slower than ze Germans.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

That is true. I had some faith that the numbers would be underrated but Acura has never underrated their numbers, which is why I'm also certainly the numbers will be correct. Again, just a guessing game til the official numbers are released and someone tests the car, which you know they certainly will.

Jiten Patel

Guys, numbers won't do justice without factoring in the way a car handles. You can pack 600HP into a car but without the right wheels, suspension, steering input, etc... that car COULD lose to a car like a Civic. Similarly if you got 360 HP (random number) for a Type S and compare it to a 400 HP car, the Type S could still win with the right setup. We already know this power train has been tested out with cars like the S4, C43, etc... So be ready for a car that will compete in that league. Believe in that gen 4 SH-AWD, that double wishbone suspension, the tuning on that in-house 10-speed (RIP to that stupid ZF), the V6 Turbo designed in Japan at their R&D center (Source: Acura TLX Press Release), the new Acura Exclusive body with reinforcements for the Type S model (Source: the 15 minute Acura video).

StealthTL-S

It appears you can get the base 2021 TLX with the 2.0 turbo K20C4 , and tune it to get almost 350 hp and over 300 torque. What a nice upgrade to the K20C4 ! I may be able to get the TLX 4 cylinder and not even wait around for the Type S!

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

Where are you getting this information if 350 hp and over 300 tq tuned?

E39

Would that even be safe for the engine and transmission long term? I’m guessing the majority of the gains would be made by upping the boost massively.

Do these 2.0 k20c4’s suffer from oil dilution problems?

StealthTL-S

Look around to find the 2019-2020 RDX that has been tuned (same engine) and look at what can be done. There is a K24 tune as well as Hondata already out.

F23A4

https://www.hondata.com/flashpro-2018-accord

fiatlux

I see 300hp, not 350 from the dyno graphs. I'm assuming it's already been corrected for crank HP, since they tested stock at around 260 for the Accord.

leomio85

Ah, the tried and true excuse for Japanese enthusiasts. Slower in a straight line, but if there's a turn, I'd beat you. Fact of the matter is, cars today are more competent than the vast majority of driver's skill level, especially out in the street ... and especially a potential Acura buyer looking at sedans. I'd be shocked if even 0.5% of Type-S's even saw a track. On top of that, most Type S's will soon be riding on middle of the pack all-season tires when people realize that performance tires (the largest factor, bar absolute none by a long shot) will be around a grand to replace on all four corners and you'd be fortunate to get 20k miles, for all-season "performance" tires ... less for real performance tires, out of them. And they suck in the cold ... and don't even think about snow, even with AWD. The Type-S will probably come in around ~3,800lbs ... it's going to handle well for its size, but not exactly nimble ... there's nothing you can do about physics.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

I saw the same graphs and read the description for the RDX and accord with the 2.0T
watched youtube base line dyno runs of both also..

the only one making 350 was the civic type-r and more with bolt on mods.

It's been a pleasure gentlemen. I hope for those that claim to be car enthusiasts buy the TLX-S and hope its everything worth the hype.

internalaudit

Watch Matt Farah's review on the GSF (has Lexus torque vectoring differential). He likens it to a Miata on steroids. I think that pretty much sums up nimbleness.

Like you said, I don't intent to track any car (don't have time for that and it's really 90% car nowadays and 10% driver skills at most to win) but I would prefer torque vectoring for better handling dynamics and safer emergency maneuvering than the fastest 0-60. Most Taycan owners would never go back to a Tesla even if ludicrous in the latter was faster unless they get pissed off with the lack of charging stations. Even Porsche owners know the PTV Plus enhances driving dynamics.

Not defending the TLX vs. German cars but I'm just saying my priority is handling dynamics and not brute acceleration because I don't track and drive like an a$$ anyway.

TVL65

This car has been in development for OVER a year now and still no numbers. And numbers won't be released until next spring, great work Acura.

ACCURATEin

Oh, my words might have been a little misunderstood. I am not overly concerned about the car making 400, but a common theme i see from people on various social media platforms is that if the car doesn't make 400 they wont even consider it. So im just telling Acura to just lie to everyone for their own good lol.

PhilB81

Big step forward for Acura with this one. But to get my money, I need 3 pedals.

I think I'm showing my age and senility, but I do miss older turbo engines with a bit of lag, to me that added to the driving experience. Also, if you're going to use turbo engines don't be ashamed of it, I want to hear that spool. Anyways, if it's NA, let it rev, if it's turbo, lets hear it! I'm talking specifically sport oriented cars here, not turbo econoboxes. I can certainly see how any engine noise is undesirable to the average accord or camry driver.
The other thing I'm not really understanding is this thirst for power (this is not a TLX specific statement, more about the general automotive trend). I personally really enjoy getting on it, get that nice engine note, but I don't want to look down and see 120mph. Sure, part of my problem is that I don't live near any open roads, best I can do around here is 55mph speed limits with a good amount of traffic, but having a faster car, I struggle to find good places to open her up. I do autocrosses when I can, but I'm no saint, I like to have some fun but with high HP cars it's hard to do that and remain reasonable.
I actually get excited when I see a steep up ramp feeding a highway with my TL-S because I get to stay on it longer.

ACCURATEin

Oh i'm dead serious. I've asked friends in the past what made them buy a certain car and it's always some minor detail that they liked that motivated them to buy it. So when this TLX becomes available, there will be multiple accounts of people deciding to get the tlx just because they think the light strips are awesome. "honey i really like the light strips", or "mommy get the tlx because i like the light strips"

For me personally, it's not the selling point but i definitely think they're neat. I love lights so i'm excited about it for sure.

StealthTL-S

Remember the new Accord engine K20C4 is slighly different than the RDX K20C4, they are not exactly the same. The RDX 2.0 turbo has more HP and Torque than the Accord engine. The specs are different, they are both K20C4 turbos, I cannot explain why they come different from the factory, but they do. The K tune for the Accord , is not for the RDX or the future TLX.

Costco

I'm not surprised that Acura has yet to release power/torque numbers.

What's the point when bench racers have made up their mind before driving it, or even reading/watching reviews between its competitors?

ESHBG

Hopefully there aren't things like this to look forward to with the new TLX, eek:

https://acurazine.com/forums/third-g...-987726/page2/

Many complaints about the infotainment too, seems buggy.

ACCURATEin

At 8:44, the word 'carbon fiber':

ACCURATEin

Also, Acura, if you are reading [which i hope you are]:

The acura accessories package that you came up with for the rdx is really amazing and i would love to be able to give you money for some of those accessories, so if you could go ahead and roll that out that would be fantastic. And i don't think i would be the only one flicking cash at the guys in the parts department. Especially if you roll out some options for the TLX. And when i say accessories i'm referring to the carbon fiber add ons or any aggressive aero components.

Thank you in advance.

CaliAtenza

Looks like I'll be keeping my 2015 TLX a little while longer; I'm moving cross country for a new job and I'm gonna hold off on the new car purchase. Maybe I'll wait it out for the 2021 model in the fall and/or the Type S. Excited to see this in person!

jdmvette

I'm waiting for the type-s power numbers to help me decide.

My current radar of vehicles I am looking for will be this type-s, 2021 Genesis G80, or the upcoming refreshed Kia Stinger GT2

Either way a TTV6 is in my future just not sure which one yet. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

leomio85

I think this has more to do with fuel than anything. The RDX recommends 91 octane and the tune adjusts for that to run more aggressive timing to get the extra power. The Accord numbers are rated for use of 87 octane which would explain the lower power numbers. There could be differences, but that's what I'd speculate the disparity in power figures. I don't know though, I haven't looked that in-depth into them. I've heard the CTR does have differences compared to the Accord engine (believe larger turbo?) though that give it the higher power numbers.

jjsC5

You are exactly right. I like curves more than most people. I roadraced motorcycles years ago, and right now I’m sitting at a coffee shop with one of my bikes waiting for a friend to head out to some fun country roads, as we do every week. But I live and drive my cars in Houston where the closest curves are 50 miles from home. I know them all. My cars are really just commuters. My BMW is almost thee years old and has never seen a curve. But it does the quarter mile in 13.0/109 and I exercise the gas pedal frequently.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

They used to not underrate. But the K20c4 and c1 in the accord and ctr are both underrated by quite a bit. The accord 2.0t with 252hp is trapping at 102mph and faster than a similarly powered a4. The ctr rated at 306hp ha seen dyno tested to make 290 to 300whp by many owners. Its trap speed of 108mph is faster than any golf r, sti, focus Rd by some distance.

The rdx is the odd one out but that's only limited to the sh awd model. The explanation is that the sh awd isn't that strong and so there's some torque limiting measures in place for rdx awd. For the tlx, Acura beefed up the awd system, so hopefully this issue will be resolved.

high-cam

I don't expect the 2.0t's to be faster than the Accord 2.0t as the TLX will be heavier and suffer from more drivetrain loss because of the shawd, but I'm looking forward to the Type S. It's cool to know that the engine is being developed in Japan by the team who worked on the Type R and NSX. Also read on caranddriver that the weight distribution of the base car is 57/43, which is impressive for a fwd car and should be even better in the shawd models. It looks like the designers and engineers did an excellent job, but now It's up to Honda to price it accordingly and their dealers to not drive consumers away. It's understandable that incentives may not be available immediately, but when competitors are selling for 10% off MSRP with more favorable interest rates, this will be a tough sell. If anyone from Honda is reading this, don't make the mistake you made with the NSX.

CaliAtenza

When I bought my 2015 TLX at the end of the model year (in September of 2015), I got about $8k off, if I remember right. I'm sure incentives and deals will show up sooner rather than later.

fiatlux

I got 8k off as well (though a year later than you). If the reviews for the new model is good, I wouldn’t expect such big discounts. Much of that was due to the poor CR reliability ranking and lackluster reviews.

Treblig

This being a totally new car for 2021 I suspect they need to hold something back to add to the 2022 model. They have been slow to the party on some things like birds-eye view camera and power folding mirrors. They still have not embraced pano roofs either.

Taz69

Let me just put it out there. The 2.0T engine thats going in the TLX non type S is going to be just like the Accords not the RDX. Here is a dyno graph of the Accord. With a simple tune the turbo 4 will put down 275hp and 335tq to the tires. Thats not bad. And if the Type-S has 365 or 400 or whatever stock it wont matter because there will be a tune out for it very fast and a tune on that turbo V6 is going to make well over 400hp and 400tq. It could easily get 50 more hp and 100tq over stock.

The TLX will come in a FWD only version with the turbo 4 in it. Tune for tune the Accord and TLX will probably be VERY close in speed.


http://www.ktuner.com/dyno/AccordX/2...93octStock.png

Taz69

There are also tunes out for the RDX. In sh-awd or fwd the tune is the same and they make the same power. No boost by gear in K-tuners tune anyway. So tune your RDX and nothing is programmed to hold back in first or second gear.

Kinuto

​​​​​​They said that the 2.0 turbo will come optional with SH-AWD not just FWD.

Costco

A pipe dream, but imagine if this ushered in a next gen ILX Type-S based on the 10th gen Civic, with the CTR drivetrain and suspension