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Anything on Type-S for digital dash? The digital dash in the leaked image does show a rendered MDX, but was hoping it at least made it's way over to the Type-S
Anything on Type-S for digital dash? The digital dash in the leaked image does show a rendered MDX, but was hoping it at least made it's way over to the Type-S
It was leaked on the Facebook group. It's the same gagues. Sad.
I'm well aware of why a DWB is better. What I wonder is whether that's the best use of their resources, since they've in the past always alluded to being resource constrained.
Maybe that's why the RLX for North America was axed lol.
If they can sell more 2TLX, what is an additional $2k (probably not even) in development cost since they've probably just tweaked and improved on past Honda/Acura designs?
It's like buying a pre-construction house, go for structural upgrades because those you cannot have done done later on. A decade ago, we went for 9' basement and 9' second floor and some additional rough ins for future upgrades.
Same as the suspension for a car. Most other things we can mod ourselves at reasonable cost. I don't think the suspension design is one of those we can easily play with. I only have an 11 Accord coupe I4 5AT at the moment (with two Toyota's) and stock everything, I handle the highway exit ramps with aplomb at 110 km/h lol. I'm not even accelerating (better grip) most of the time. No tire screeching whatsoever.
Last edited by internalaudit; 05-26-2020 at 03:00 PM.
Maybe that's why the RLX for North America was axed lol.
If they can sell more 2TLX, what is an additional $2k (probably not even) in development cost since they've probably just tweaked and improved on past Honda/Acura designs?
It's like buying a pre-construction house, go for structural upgrades because those you cannot have done done later on. A decade ago, we went for 9' basement and 9' second floor and some additional rough ins for future upgrades.
Same as the suspension for a car. Most other things we can mod ourselves at reasonable cost. I don't think the suspension design is one of those we can easily play with. I only have an 11 Accord coupe I4 5AT at the moment (with two Toyota's) and stock everything, I handle the highway exit ramps with aplomb at 110 km/h lol. I'm not even accelerating (better grip) most of the time. No tire screeching whatsoever.
It's not just the development cost. DWB setups costs more to manufacture, which affects the unit economics. That means something else in the production process has to be reduced in cost to offset; otherwise that cost would need to be passed on to the consumer, because it certainly isn't going to come at the expense of their profit margin.
Looks like the 2G TLX will be a winner. Exterior is on point, interior is on point, base engine performance with excellent low-end torque will be awesome, now my appetite is whetted for the Type-S specs. Shortly, I'll know whether to put my Accord up for sale...
Looks like the 2G TLX will be a winner. Exterior is on point, interior is on point, base engine performance with excellent low-end torque will be awesome, now my appetite is whetted for the Type-S specs. Shortly, I'll know whether to put my Accord up for sale...
I knew I didn't like the 10th gen Accord's less cluttered dash board layout haha.
It's not just the development cost. DWB setups costs more to manufacture, which affects the unit economics. That means something else in the production process has to be reduced in cost to offset; otherwise that cost would need to be passed on to the consumer, because it certainly isn't going to come at the expense of their profit margin.
How do you know this? If they sold double (say even triple) or quadruple) the number of 2TLX over its lifetime, won't that mean higher profits overall as long as the contribution margin for each unit is positive?
It's hard to say what led to people purchasing the 2TLX but it should be a confluence of factors and I'm confident that the double wishbone suspension marketing works better than the MacPherson Struts.
Even if Acura scrimped on other things, as long as they're vast improvements over the past TLX, why the hell not? What I don't know (other improvements that could have happened) won't hurt me.
Last edited by internalaudit; 05-26-2020 at 03:36 PM.
50% increase in torque means it's making over 400 lb/ft.
Hold your horses, it says 50% increase in low-end torque, not peak torque. At 2000RPMs the J35 is probably making around 200ish ft-lb; 50% increase would mean something just north of 300 ft-lb.
How do you know this? If they sold double (say even triple) the number of 2TLX over its lifetime, won't that mean higher profits overall as long as the contribution margin for each unit is positive?
It's hard to say what led to people purchasing but it should be a confluence of factors and I'm confident that the double wishbone suspension marketing works better than the MacPherson Struts.
This is assuming that the incremental lift in sales is directly due to the DWB suspension. I'm still of the belief that they could probably leave it out, and they still would sell just as many cars, which means they could either 1) improve the car elsewhere by spending that money on something else, 2) reduce the cost and thus sale price, or 3) increase their profit margin. In any case, we'll never know because all these are counterfactuals.
This is assuming that the incremental lift in sales is directly due to the DWB suspension. I'm still of the belief that they could probably leave it out, and they still would sell just as many cars, which means they could either 1) improve the car elsewhere by spending that money on something else, 2) reduce the cost and thus sale price, or 3) increase their profit margin. In any case, we'll never know because all these are counterfactuals.
Sounds like more R&D cost to keep MacPherson Struts and make a better suspension (beefed up like P cars) than go back to DWB and improve on it slightly. The RLX still had DWB.
More parts in the DWB but even if Acura were to pass along the cost at cost (incremental increase) to us consumers, I bet many will be willing to pay for that.
Heck the top of the line non-PMC TLX is only $6k CAD pricier than the top of the line Accord here in Canada. Price increase is expected.
Last edited by internalaudit; 05-26-2020 at 03:41 PM.
Even if Acura scrimped on other things, as long as they're vast improvements over the past TLX, why the hell not? What I don't know (other improvements that could have happened) won't hurt me.
Again, just because it's better doesn't necessarily mean it's good enough. 350hp would be a vast improvement over the past TLX, but would be a laughable compared to the competitors. Nobody buys these cars in a vacuum; they are judged against their contemporaries, not their past selves.
Hold your horses, it says 50% increase in low-end torque, not peak torque. At 2000RPMs the J35 is probably making around 200ish ft-lb; 50% increase would mean something just north of 300 ft-lb.
Fully agree! It's best to wait for official numbers, I'd suspect TQ numbers well north of 300 but not at 400.
Again, just because it's better doesn't necessarily mean it's good enough. 350hp would be a vast improvement over the past TLX, but would be a laughable compared to the competitors. Nobody buys these cars in a vacuum; they are judged against their contemporaries, not their past selves.
I can surely appreciate the DWB on day to day highway driving but since I don't track or drive like a maniac, I don't know when I would want more than 377 HP anyway especially if the TLX offers a good value proposition, when compared to the competiton.
You are free to choose whatever car you want if a few thousand increase on the TLX is laughable by your standards because it only has 377 HP even if it will be the best handling and best appointed Acura sedan in history.
No one is forcing you to buy one though you already knew about the DWB months ago so I'm surprised you are complaining about it a few days before the reveal.
I'm with you, the lower the price the better and you will not see me complaining on the metrics now or ever where the TLX is surpassed (Front/Rear weight distribution, HP, Torque specs). Life is a compromise and like I said, better something structural.
You are presupposing that keeping the MacPhersons + enhancements would be less costly than switching back to the tried and true DWB. You intentionally didn't respond to this point.
Last edited by internalaudit; 05-26-2020 at 03:53 PM.
I find it disappointing that they didn't include the Precision cockpit into this model. I wonder what they are waiting for? Using the same interior gauges as the RDX doesn't make sense. Other competitors have the digital cockpit like BWM and Audi. These standard gauges are dated. They needed to make it different and a new spin on it and they didn't take advantage of it. Its sad.
That center console looks weird to me, something about the way the buttons are group together. Not sure how to describe it, but looks like a transformer to me.
I do like the flat steering bottom wheel, if it includes heating it's better than Audi's.
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I find it disappointing that they didn't include the Precision cockpit into this model. I wonder what they are waiting for? Using the same interior gauges as the RDX doesn't make sense. Other competitors have the digital cockpit like BWM and Audi. These standard gauges are dated. They needed to make it different and a new spin on it and they didn't take advantage of it. Its sad.
It looks to be included in the picture of the Type S interior...look closely.
It looks to be included in the picture of the Type S interior...look closely.
Yeah I did look at it closely. It seems to be that its the same gauge cluster. Look at the top of the buttons on the steering wheel on the left. It shows the H which is the digital gauge in the RDX. The fuel gauge is on the other side. The screen in the middle and the 2 analog gauges on the side.
Yeah I did look at it closely. It seems to be that its the same gauge cluster. Look at the top of the buttons on the steering wheel on the left. It shows the H which is the digital gauge in the RDX. The fuel gauge is on the other side. The screen in the middle and the 2 analog gauges on the side.
I know most people dislike the big Acura badge on the current models, and it might just be me, but the badge on those leaked images seems a little too small compared to the rest of the grille. Other than that, sexy design overall.
I know most people dislike the big Acura badge on the current models, and it might just be me, but the badge on those leaked images seems a little too small compared to the rest of the grille. Other than that, sexy design overall.
It looks like it got smaller because they no longer need to hide the radar stuff behind it. Looks like they're going with the Nissan approach:
I can surely appreciate the DWB on day to day highway driving but since I don't track or drive like a maniac, I don't know when I would want more than 377 HP anyway especially if the TLX offers a good value proposition, when compared to the competiton.
You are free to choose whatever car you want if a few thousand increase on the TLX is laughable by your standards because it only has 377 HP even if it will be the best handling and best appointed Acura sedan in history.
No one is forcing you to buy one though you already knew about the DWB months ago so I'm surprised you are complaining about it a few days before the reveal.
I'm with you, the lower the price the better and you will not see me complaining on the metrics now or ever where the TLX is surpassed (Front/Rear weight distribution, HP, Torque specs). Life is a compromise and like I said, better something structural.
You are presupposing that keeping the MacPhersons + enhancements would be less costly than switching back to the tried and true DWB. You intentionally didn't respond to this point.
We don't know anything about the performance of the TLX, so let's just pump the brakes now and wait for the official reviews. As a true car enthusiast, power is very subjective and is relevant to the person behind the wheel. You may think 377 HP (flywheel numbers) is enough, but to someone else that urge for more is always there.. I assure you, the type-s IS AN enthusiast car.. The type of driver that is not concern the best fuel economy and making sure the tires and brakes last 100K.. Let the facts speak for its self when the vehicle is put to the test. I'd hate to say this but even the biggest fan boys in here, won't be buying this car..
We don't know anything about the performance of the TLX, so let's just pump the brakes now and wait for the official reviews. As a true car enthusiast, power is very subjective and is relevant to the person behind the wheel. You may think 377 HP (flywheel numbers) is enough, but to someone else that urge for more is always there.. I assure you, the type-s IS AN enthusiast car.. The type of driver that is not concern the best fuel economy and making sure the tires and brakes last 100K.. Let the facts speak for its self when the vehicle is put to the test. I'd hate to say this but even the biggest fan boys in here, won't be buying this car..
I was responding to someone quoting me that 350 HP won't be enough when comparison shopped with competitors. I was replying that DWB is something most people will be enjoying. And we are not even sure if going back to DWB costs more than sticking with MacPherson struts ++ additional enhancements.
How can tires last 100K if they are sticky and sporty variant?
Let the biggest fanboy not buy the car. It's his prerogative to do what he wants with his money. I'm not here to convince people to buy a 2TLX. Those four-year leases on German sports sedans are going to cost a pretty penny when done in perpetuity.
Those that wanted it to have a bigger leg room at the back did not get what they want.. Proportions look similar to the current C43.
It would be acceptable if it had even the same leg room as the 4G TL and considering that a 10G Accord has a whopping 6 inches more than the 5G TLX while only being a few inches longer, I can't imagine they would keep the rear interior dimensions the same in the 6G TLX. It would be a huge disappointment considering they just retired the RLX. You should not be forced to buy an SUV if you want decent leg room.
Only having these leaked pictures to go by I like that Acura is making more effort with this new generation TLX than they did with the current generation. Maybe cancelling the RLX allowed a little more investment. Most of these improvements I'll probably like. I did expect to see a Digital Dash on this car, but if it is not there I suspect it was software that did it in. Acura has not exactly impressed with their infotainment system on the RDX. But the center console looks like they have incorporated more buttons for common functions which I like. I don't think I'd need the HP of the Type S. Looks like they beefed up the 10-speed transmission for the V6 Turbo. I wonder if the 2.4L turbo gets the current 10-speed.
I'll look forward to the formal announcement tomorrow. Regardless I'm not touching a new Acura with a 10-foot pole in its first year. Fooled me once.... as the saying goes.
I love it... just want to see Digital Gauge clusters in the higher trims. Hopefully that comes true. Not sure if brembos are offered in A-Spec? I feel like those are for the Type S.
05-26-2020, 02:49 PM
