Is everyone ready for the Type S Concept? (Reveal Pics Page 5)
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I’m liking what I see, and the timing is looking better for me to seriously consider the car. I have been one of their biggest critics the past few years, but I’ve earned the right. In the past 50 years I’ve owned four Honda cars, three Acura’s, eight Honda motorcycles and one Honda lawnmower. If the car runs the quarter mile in the 13 flat/108 mph or better range, with a loaded price of $50,000 or less it would probably be my next car.
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I’m liking what I see, and the timing is looking better for me to seriously consider the car. I have been one of their biggest critics the past few years, but I’ve earned the right. In the past 50 years I’ve owned four Honda cars, three Acura’s, eight Honda motorcycles and one Honda lawnmower. If the car runs the quarter mile in the 13 flat/108 mph or better range, with a loaded price of $50,000 or less it would probably be my next car.
#1525
So be it. I've been asking for a 450+, underrated hp TLX, with proper AWD, panoramic roof and a legit stereo. Not the crap they keep peddling.
Maybe this thing will be the car to bring a buyer like me back after leaving after 2012? I've loved the TL's I've owned. But once I could afford something 'quick' and luxurious, it was over. I really would like to see a player come out to challenge the germans.
Maybe this thing will be the car to bring a buyer like me back after leaving after 2012? I've loved the TL's I've owned. But once I could afford something 'quick' and luxurious, it was over. I really would like to see a player come out to challenge the germans.
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So be it. I've been asking for a 450+, underrated hp TLX, with proper AWD, panoramic roof and a legit stereo. Not the crap they keep peddling.
Maybe this thing will be the car to bring a buyer like me back after leaving after 2012? I've loved the TL's I've owned. But once I could afford something 'quick' and luxurious, it was over. I really would like to see a player come out to challenge the germans.
Maybe this thing will be the car to bring a buyer like me back after leaving after 2012? I've loved the TL's I've owned. But once I could afford something 'quick' and luxurious, it was over. I really would like to see a player come out to challenge the germans.
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#1527
the way Acura is though they wont put bigger brakes on the standard models lol they will on the type S though. I hope what they do is have more horsepower than the RDX at least 280 and if they can do 300 torque that would be great. I have a feeling they may have less horsepower than the V6 when they can perfectly do 290 or more which if they do that on the base engine I'd be surprised and that type S model I'd also be surprised if the do 400 Horsepower lol they will most likely do less. But just have to wait and see when they show us next week.
#1528
Burning Brakes
So be it. I've been asking for a 450+, underrated hp TLX, with proper AWD, panoramic roof and a legit stereo. Not the crap they keep peddling.
Maybe this thing will be the car to bring a buyer like me back after leaving after 2012? I've loved the TL's I've owned. But once I could afford something 'quick' and luxurious, it was over. I really would like to see a player come out to challenge the germans.
Maybe this thing will be the car to bring a buyer like me back after leaving after 2012? I've loved the TL's I've owned. But once I could afford something 'quick' and luxurious, it was over. I really would like to see a player come out to challenge the germans.
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#1529
There are four lights!
The type S shouldn't even have a regular moon roof at all. It's just extra weight, make it an option. A Panoroof is just too heavy and pointless and doesn't belong on a performance car. They need to slide in and pull an infiniti by stealing the Germans shine the way the Original G35 did. Had them scrambling and panicked that they got out done by the Japanese. This car needs to do that, then they need to offer a "Type SR" version that competes with the C63, M3/4, RS cars, Make it a Turbo Hybrid, use the same set up used in the NSX. That would give Acura the balls they lost years ago.
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So now that everyone is ready to purchase, what wheels are you going to order for your new TLX?
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#1533
The type S shouldn't even have a regular moon roof at all. It's just extra weight, make it an option. A Panoroof is just too heavy and pointless and doesn't belong on a performance car. They need to slide in and pull an infiniti by stealing the Germans shine the way the Original G35 did. Had them scrambling and panicked that they got out done by the Japanese. This car needs to do that, then they need to offer a "Type SR" version that competes with the C63, M3/4, RS cars, Make it a Turbo Hybrid, use the same set up used in the NSX. That would give Acura the balls they lost years ago.
But the idea that a moon roof shouldn’t be allowed is just ridiculous. You can make plenty of power to overcome the ‘extra’ weight of a moon roof.
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If Im not mistaken, the highest price TL or TLX has been around $46,000. So you are saying they are slapping a turbo on and it raises the price nearly $20,000? I can see it going into low, MAYBE mid $50s. At $65,000 it's priced right at M340, S5, C43. How many buyers do you think Acura would pull away from those cars?
I paid $66,000 for my well equipped 540 (listed for $70,000). Today I could buy a new one for $10,000 of list. The only reason I'm interested in the TL is to save money now that Im retired. At the same price I'm in one of the other cars or a new 540.
I paid $66,000 for my well equipped 540 (listed for $70,000). Today I could buy a new one for $10,000 of list. The only reason I'm interested in the TL is to save money now that Im retired. At the same price I'm in one of the other cars or a new 540.
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I'm torn again between the new Type S and one of the Germans. The AMGs are headed toward 4 cylinders for the next generation; that V6 twin-turbo in the current C43 is a screamer and sounds amazing. It's tempting to pick one up.
#1538
Burning Brakes
I really hope you don't mean 60K US, that's more that a fully loaded S5 Sportback here in Canada. New engine and interior, not touching it for at least one year. And if dealers are adding profits to MSRP like the Civic Type-R, not touching it at all versus the Germans.
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#1539
Acura can't get greedy. They can't go head to head with the Germans. Hope their ego doesn't get in the way. Look at NSX numbers just abysmal. Sedans are not selling like they used to. Price this thing wrong will pretty much kill your sedan sales.
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I really hope you don't mean 60K US, that's more that a fully loaded S5 Sportback here in Canada. New engine and interior, not touching it for at least one year. And if dealers are adding profits to MSRP like the Civic Type-R, not touching it at all versus the Germans.
Infiniti Q50S 400HP is $64K before any discounts. Infiniti offers $5,500 discount at the moment online. My father in law has G37X and dealer called him for Q50 400HP. They have mentioned that He can get $10K off if he signs before June 1 (now this was over the phone, and i know the dealer tricks but even $7.5K). But infiniti is struggling and they want to sell cars at huge losses just to make sales numbers. Still not bad deal to get a 400HP Q50 for let's say $55-58K.
Lexus IS 350 AWAD is $57K before any discounts.Now Lexus is a different brand to me, their name is up with the Germans. But the IS isn't selling.
Now if you take the average, Acura falls in the middle (probably 365-385HP) will cost around $60K CAD.
If it's $60USD, than means wit will be around $70K CAD. Then forget it, no one will buy the car!
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At this point I'm a lot more excited about the base turbo 4 model. I'm hoping to see something like 280hp/300tq from the base engine. Right now I drive a CLS550 with 380hp/390tq and while it's fast and great during COVID-19 traffic I was having a hard time justifying the power and low MPG when traffic was normal. A powerful turbo 4 makes more sense as a daily / commuter.
I'm also curious about the size of the G2 TLX. The current model is way too small for me to take my parents around comfortably. They loved the 10th Gen Accord I rented for two days so I'm hoping G2 TLX is more accord sized as opposed to a compact.
I'm also curious about the size of the G2 TLX. The current model is way too small for me to take my parents around comfortably. They loved the 10th Gen Accord I rented for two days so I'm hoping G2 TLX is more accord sized as opposed to a compact.
#1542
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They should offer SH-AWD on the 2.0T. The uptake for the bigger displacement has always been lower anyway, they might as well steal some sales from the competition.
Maybe the engineers reversed it this time with the Type S having the P-AWS. SH-AWD + P-AWS would be awesome.
I would be very interested in a SH-SH-AWD TLX. For me, hybrid is the way to go for the time being until BEVs come with better batteries and electric torque vectoring.
Maybe the engineers reversed it this time with the Type S having the P-AWS. SH-AWD + P-AWS would be awesome.
I would be very interested in a SH-SH-AWD TLX. For me, hybrid is the way to go for the time being until BEVs come with better batteries and electric torque vectoring.
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Type S will be $58-$62K CAD. Not USD.
Infiniti Q50S 400HP is $64K before any discounts. Infiniti offers $5,500 discount at the moment online. My father in law has G37X and dealer called him for Q50 400HP. They have mentioned that He can get $10K off if he signs before June 1 (now this was over the phone, and i know the dealer tricks but even $7.5K). But infiniti is struggling and they want to sell cars at huge losses just to make sales numbers. Still not bad deal to get a 400HP Q50 for let's say $55-58K.
Lexus IS 350 AWAD is $57K before any discounts.Now Lexus is a different brand to me, their name is up with the Germans. But the IS isn't selling.
Now if you take the average, Acura falls in the middle (probably 365-385HP) will cost around $60K CAD.
If it's $60USD, than means wit will be around $70K CAD. Then forget it, no one will buy the car!
Infiniti Q50S 400HP is $64K before any discounts. Infiniti offers $5,500 discount at the moment online. My father in law has G37X and dealer called him for Q50 400HP. They have mentioned that He can get $10K off if he signs before June 1 (now this was over the phone, and i know the dealer tricks but even $7.5K). But infiniti is struggling and they want to sell cars at huge losses just to make sales numbers. Still not bad deal to get a 400HP Q50 for let's say $55-58K.
Lexus IS 350 AWAD is $57K before any discounts.Now Lexus is a different brand to me, their name is up with the Germans. But the IS isn't selling.
Now if you take the average, Acura falls in the middle (probably 365-385HP) will cost around $60K CAD.
If it's $60USD, than means wit will be around $70K CAD. Then forget it, no one will buy the car!
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#1546
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Agreed. $60k and they're going to have abysmal sales. Acura just doesn't have the nameplate to justify those prices compared to their German counterparts that everyone would be cross-shopping them with. At that point, the value of the Acura goes out the window. Even myself, I'd opt for the M340i well before the Type-S if it was even within $5k of the price tag. Hopefully they price it competitively with the G70, which tops out at around $55k for the Sport AWD model.
I think only the high-end Porsches (and maybe some $80k German cars) like the 911 or Taycan (or maybe the much higher trims of the 918) can have as an option 1) All Wheel Steering and 2) Torque Vectoring (even their torque vectoring is typically brake-based and mechanical) so if a 2TLX can have both those features, especially electric torque vectoring, I'll probably be up for one.
Porsche makes good cars but you have to opt for the various P acronyms (which can cost $20k or more here) to get the best handling possible and by then, the cost will be sky high. I don't mind even a $70k TLX (hopefully over four years at 0-1% interest) if it handles 80% of the NSX and cost half of it lol. I have reached midlife but still not in a crisis.
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#1548
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I doubt it will happen, but if the Accord dashboard is still nicer and less "analogy" versus the new TLX, it would be a fail. To all saying glass cockpits are meh, it's 2020... it's time Acura walks the 2016 walk.
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They should offer SH-AWD on the 2.0T. The uptake for the bigger displacement has always been lower anyway, they might as well steal some sales from the competition.
Maybe the engineers reversed it this time with the Type S having the P-AWS. SH-AWD + P-AWS would be awesome.
I would be very interested in a SH-SH-AWD TLX. For me, hybrid is the way to go for the time being until BEVs come with better batteries and electric torque vectoring.
Maybe the engineers reversed it this time with the Type S having the P-AWS. SH-AWD + P-AWS would be awesome.
I would be very interested in a SH-SH-AWD TLX. For me, hybrid is the way to go for the time being until BEVs come with better batteries and electric torque vectoring.
At this point I'm a lot more excited about the base turbo 4 model. I'm hoping to see something like 280hp/300tq from the base engine. Right now I drive a CLS550 with 380hp/390tq and while it's fast and great during COVID-19 traffic I was having a hard time justifying the power and low MPG when traffic was normal. A powerful turbo 4 makes more sense as a daily / commuter.
I'm also curious about the size of the G2 TLX. The current model is way too small for me to take my parents around comfortably. They loved the 10th Gen Accord I rented for two days so I'm hoping G2 TLX is more accord sized as opposed to a compact.
I'm also curious about the size of the G2 TLX. The current model is way too small for me to take my parents around comfortably. They loved the 10th Gen Accord I rented for two days so I'm hoping G2 TLX is more accord sized as opposed to a compact.
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#1551
I so don't care about the digital cluster. Look at any screens from few years back and they all look like shit now. You can't go wrong with analog gauges and put a nice MMI in the middle. Type S is about performance. I'm concerned about how this thing drives/handles/accelerates and how they balanced the whole package together.
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I so don't care about the digital cluster. Look at any screens from few years back and they all look like shit now. You can't go wrong with analog gauges and put a nice MMI in the middle. Type S is about performance. I'm concerned about how this thing drives/handles/accelerates and how they balanced the whole package together.
#1553
Three Wheelin'
I have not researched what the “precision cockpit” is, but from the comments above the discussion is about digital dashes such as Audi and others use. I cannot imagine it costs much more than a traditional dash. It has been a very inexpensive option in Audi’s and BMWs before they decided to just make it standard in many models.
While I’m not a techie and have no problem with traditional displays, I do agree the TLX needs digital, at least as part of the technology package that they have offered in most vehicles the past several years.
While I’m not a techie and have no problem with traditional displays, I do agree the TLX needs digital, at least as part of the technology package that they have offered in most vehicles the past several years.
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Agreed. $60k and they're going to have abysmal sales. Acura just doesn't have the nameplate to justify those prices compared to their German counterparts that everyone would be cross-shopping them with. At that point, the value of the Acura goes out the window. Even myself, I'd opt for the M340i well before the Type-S if it was even within $5k of the price tag. Hopefully they price it competitively with the G70, which tops out at around $55k for the Sport AWD model.
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#1555
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Starts $68k + driving Assistance is $70k already here in Canada.
$10k more on top of that in a few years and I may be able to buy an Acura or Lexus BEV sports sedan with electric torque vectoring lol.
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Also, I have a personal curiosity having never owned a BMW with their legendary "money pit" maintenance reputation. Of course, you'll have a few like BEAR who staunchly stand behind BMW and say they're dead reliable, while many, including lifetime mechanics, who have nothing but ill will towards the cars and swear off ever owning one again. I'm neurotic with maintenance though, so I'm curious to see what the fuss is all about. I mean, people still use 15k mile oil change intervals, even after BMW revised it down to 10k miles to match MB (at least from what I've heard ... likely due to having issues). Not to mention the other fluids that likely never get touched because they're touted as being "lifetime" fluids.
But I digress into my own personal tirade. Heck, who knows, in a couple years when I'm in the market, I'll look to see how prices are doing on lightly used F90 M5's and might pick up my dream car. (so long as they don't have catastrophic issues like the past couple generations)
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From the figures being thrown around, it seems like the Type S is going to have around 350-400HP. I loathe BMW owners, and it's the biggest thing keeping me from owning one myself. I personally hate the majority of people driving them because they absolutely meet the stereotype. That being said, the company itself does put out a helluva product. If the Type S puts out 400HP, the M340i already makes more than that, probably closer to 430-440HP. Not to mention, aftermarket support will likely be even better for the BMW than the Acura. Their infotainment is supposedly more comprehensive and intuitive (tho I actually like the one in my 3G RDX, but the processor is on the slow side). The build quality on my 3G RDX tho has left a lot to be desired. Clicks, creaks and rattles. I've fixed two on my own after two visits to the dealership while a handful still remain. This is why I'll pass completely if the Type S comes standard with a pano sunroof. Also, by the time the Type S comes out, the M340i will have been out for several years. Incentives will be there to get dealers to come down on the price likely to match the Type S to get the sale.
Also, I have a personal curiosity having never owned a BMW with their legendary "money pit" maintenance reputation. Of course, you'll have a few like BEAR who staunchly stand behind BMW and say they're dead reliable, while many, including lifetime mechanics, who have nothing but ill will towards the cars and swear off ever owning one again. I'm neurotic with maintenance though, so I'm curious to see what the fuss is all about. I mean, people still use 15k mile oil change intervals, even after BMW revised it down to 10k miles to match MB (at least from what I've heard ... likely due to having issues). Not to mention the other fluids that likely never get touched because they're touted as being "lifetime" fluids.
But I digress into my own personal tirade. Heck, who knows, in a couple years when I'm in the market, I'll look to see how prices are doing on lightly used F90 M5's and might pick up my dream car. (so long as they don't have catastrophic issues like the past couple generations)
Also, I have a personal curiosity having never owned a BMW with their legendary "money pit" maintenance reputation. Of course, you'll have a few like BEAR who staunchly stand behind BMW and say they're dead reliable, while many, including lifetime mechanics, who have nothing but ill will towards the cars and swear off ever owning one again. I'm neurotic with maintenance though, so I'm curious to see what the fuss is all about. I mean, people still use 15k mile oil change intervals, even after BMW revised it down to 10k miles to match MB (at least from what I've heard ... likely due to having issues). Not to mention the other fluids that likely never get touched because they're touted as being "lifetime" fluids.
But I digress into my own personal tirade. Heck, who knows, in a couple years when I'm in the market, I'll look to see how prices are doing on lightly used F90 M5's and might pick up my dream car. (so long as they don't have catastrophic issues like the past couple generations)
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I hope it will be 6MT or 7dct. My TL IVg gives you incredible fun just thanks to 6MT and SH-AWD despite power shortage. I have X-ADV with 6DCT and i love it too. 6AT in my MDX 2012 does not impress me.
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#1559
Racer
I think BMW has really stepped it up in the reliability department. My Dad bought a new F30 328i back in 2014; its been great so far and he's put some 80k odd miles on it. No mechanical issues to speak of, other than some taillight bulbs burning out and such. I find that the steering has gotten looser as the car has aged but boy its still quick! I just helped my folks buy a 2020 BMW X5 sDrive40i back in December and WOW, it is amazing. Handles better than my TLX and goes like stink. I still can't believe BMW set the X5 up to handle so well. I feel like they put so much more effort into their SUVs these days.
I had an 02 Civic before that I drove 80 km to the mechanic and I was told no oil was draining off the pan. At 273,000 km, it was on its original clutch and 5MT. I've since learned to do my own oil changes.
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#1560
Burning Brakes
I so don't care about the digital cluster. Look at any screens from few years back and they all look like shit now. You can't go wrong with analog gauges and put a nice MMI in the middle. Type S is about performance. I'm concerned about how this thing drives/handles/accelerates and how they balanced the whole package together.
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