Anybody seen or know a more solid release date for Type S?
#201
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Well, it's almost February and not a F*kn peep from Acura about the Type S which could be out as early as April. I know they're focusing on MDX launch now but is it so hard to multitask.... Drop some teasers every week on social media. How difficult is that? Anyone got some inside info yet? Nexx?
#202
Burning Brakes
They could add:
- HUD
- Power-Folding-Mirrors
- Surround Cameras
- Digital Dash/Cockpit
- V6 engine re-tune for 375hp
... stuff like that. Keep price around $55k .
#203
Just be glad they were so up front about the features so far in advance.
#204
that would be great, hope they are listening, don't even need the HP increase as I'm sure trans can't handle it.
#205
Suzuka Master
Too late they lost me. I doubt they will add this stuff as the price is already up,there. I sold my 19 ASPEC 2 weeks ago and have been eyeing the Mustang Mach E at this point. Chatted with local dealer they expect one in a few weeks and I will go drive one. They said about 8-12 weeks on an order. I figure if life starts getting looking like it will get back to normal in the fall I will order one late summer.
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#206
Burning Brakes
Yeah, also considered going full EV (since we still have the gas/PHEV Audi).
Not really a fan of Tesla autos, but Mach-E looked interesting. Another is Audi's version of the VW-ID4. Called the Q4-e , there will be a SUV version with Quattro and also a more sedan-looking Sportback version. But more waiting so I passed on all-that. Plus, not sure I want to beta-test an all-new model.
Not really a fan of Tesla autos, but Mach-E looked interesting. Another is Audi's version of the VW-ID4. Called the Q4-e , there will be a SUV version with Quattro and also a more sedan-looking Sportback version. But more waiting so I passed on all-that. Plus, not sure I want to beta-test an all-new model.
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What's a Type S again?
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The hype train is definitely off the rails for the Type S. Can you believe it's been nearly 18 months since Monterey Car Week 2019, when the concept was released? My guess is that they are tweaking it to be right at release, or there are manufacturing delays related to COVID. Both are understandable. It's been 13 years since the last Type S ended. I suppose we can wait another few months. In the meantime, I'm looking hard at a used RLX Sport Hybrid, or going full EV with the Tesla Model 3 Performance.
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The hype train is definitely off the rails for the Type S. Can you believe it's been nearly 18 months since Monterey Car Week 2019, when the concept was released? My guess is that they are tweaking it to be right at release, or there are manufacturing delays related to COVID. Both are understandable. It's been 13 years since the last Type S ended. I suppose we can wait another few months. In the meantime, I'm looking hard at a used RLX Sport Hybrid, or going full EV with the Tesla Model 3 Performance.
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#208
6G TLX-S
^^^^^
For used hybrid vehicles, don't forget to factor in the replacement cost of the hybrid battery pack.
For used hybrid vehicles, don't forget to factor in the replacement cost of the hybrid battery pack.
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If I do a RLX instead of a Type S, the hybrid battery warranty is 8 years/100k miles, and I'd be buying a 2019 or 2020 used, so one with plenty of life left. I'm not worried about a Model 3's batteries, because I'd lease one and not buy it.
#210
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What's a Type S again?
![J/K](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/jk.gif)
The hype train is definitely off the rails for the Type S. Can you believe it's been nearly 18 months since Monterey Car Week 2019, when the concept was released? My guess is that they are tweaking it to be right at release, or there are manufacturing delays related to COVID. Both are understandable. It's been 13 years since the last Type S ended. I suppose we can wait another few months. In the meantime, I'm looking hard at a used RLX Sport Hybrid, or going full EV with the Tesla Model 3 Performance.
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![J/K](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/jk.gif)
The hype train is definitely off the rails for the Type S. Can you believe it's been nearly 18 months since Monterey Car Week 2019, when the concept was released? My guess is that they are tweaking it to be right at release, or there are manufacturing delays related to COVID. Both are understandable. It's been 13 years since the last Type S ended. I suppose we can wait another few months. In the meantime, I'm looking hard at a used RLX Sport Hybrid, or going full EV with the Tesla Model 3 Performance.
With the 573hp NSX priced at $15,700 and up, there is always a market for a $80k-$90k 400-450hp TLX-R and a MDX-R, that can compete with the Audi RS, BMW M, and MB AMG vehicles.
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You know, I want a Type-R trim more than the Type-S, as in an all-out performance orientated TLX Type-R and a MDX Type-R.
With the 573hp NSX priced at $15,700 and up, there is always a market for a $80k-$90k 400-450hp TLX-R and a MDX-R, that can compete with the Audi RS, BMW M, and MB AMG vehicles.
With the 573hp NSX priced at $15,700 and up, there is always a market for a $80k-$90k 400-450hp TLX-R and a MDX-R, that can compete with the Audi RS, BMW M, and MB AMG vehicles.
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Don't think Acura has a chance in hell in selling an $80,000 TLX-R. The RLX died because it was over priced for the market it was sold into. Had a lot of very good stuff like the hybrid performance package but the branding could not attract the $60,000 buyers.
RLX
Price as tested $62,865 (base price: $62,865)
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.6 sec @ 102 mph
BMW 335i M Sport priced as tested $56,000.
Zero to 60 mph: 5.3 sec
Street Start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 103 mph
BMW 2011 335is Price as tested $59,025 (base price: $50,525).
Zero to 60 mph: 4.5-4.8 sec 7DCT - 6MT
Standing ¼-mile: 13.2-13.5 sec 7DCT - 6MT
The RLX had outstanding performance for a car which debuted at the 2013 Los Angeles International Auto Show. US sales began during September 2014. Look up some 2014/2015 German cars. It was just a shade off my 2011 335is which also listed in the low $60,000 range & quicker that the base 2013 BMW 335 M sport (M sport was trim not a performance addition)
This month, Acura's NSX coupe has a larger monetary discount than any other vehicle in America. Buyers of the 2020 Acura NSX are scoring an average cut of $19,659 off the car's $159,530 sticker price. That equals a 12.3% savings for an average transaction price of $139,871. What's not said is they have been running $20,000 discounts for over a year now even before the Virus hit.
This is a time when delivery right now for C8 Corvettes are going for up to a $15,000 "Market Adjustment" over MSRP. The waiting list is about a year with 3 top volume dealers offering MSRP pricing. What really adds to this issue is the current car is only the base unit. The performance Z06 & ZR1 replacements are not even in production yet. The 2019 C7 ZRI pricing in Car & Driver was as tested $141,190 (base price: $122,095)
RLX
Price as tested $62,865 (base price: $62,865)
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.6 sec @ 102 mph
BMW 335i M Sport priced as tested $56,000.
Zero to 60 mph: 5.3 sec
Street Start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 103 mph
BMW 2011 335is Price as tested $59,025 (base price: $50,525).
Zero to 60 mph: 4.5-4.8 sec 7DCT - 6MT
Standing ¼-mile: 13.2-13.5 sec 7DCT - 6MT
The RLX had outstanding performance for a car which debuted at the 2013 Los Angeles International Auto Show. US sales began during September 2014. Look up some 2014/2015 German cars. It was just a shade off my 2011 335is which also listed in the low $60,000 range & quicker that the base 2013 BMW 335 M sport (M sport was trim not a performance addition)
This month, Acura's NSX coupe has a larger monetary discount than any other vehicle in America. Buyers of the 2020 Acura NSX are scoring an average cut of $19,659 off the car's $159,530 sticker price. That equals a 12.3% savings for an average transaction price of $139,871. What's not said is they have been running $20,000 discounts for over a year now even before the Virus hit.
This is a time when delivery right now for C8 Corvettes are going for up to a $15,000 "Market Adjustment" over MSRP. The waiting list is about a year with 3 top volume dealers offering MSRP pricing. What really adds to this issue is the current car is only the base unit. The performance Z06 & ZR1 replacements are not even in production yet. The 2019 C7 ZRI pricing in Car & Driver was as tested $141,190 (base price: $122,095)
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You know, I want a Type-R trim more than the Type-S, as in an all-out performance orientated TLX Type-R and a MDX Type-R.
With the 573hp NSX priced at $15,700 and up, there is always a market for a $80k-$90k 400-450hp TLX-R and a MDX-R, that can compete with the Audi RS, BMW M, and MB AMG vehicles.
With the 573hp NSX priced at $15,700 and up, there is always a market for a $80k-$90k 400-450hp TLX-R and a MDX-R, that can compete with the Audi RS, BMW M, and MB AMG vehicles.
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#214
Of course with Acura you never know how long the Type S will be around till they put it back on the shelf like they have done in the past.
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#215
Burning Brakes
- HUD
- Magic Mirrors (Power-Folding/Surround-Cams)
Available as factory-installed options ... since baby TLX Advance already has those.
#216
Wasn't aware the advance has the 360 camera option. Got that on the S5 I bought and it's great (along with the "magic" mirrors which I turned off). Also didn't know the advance had the HUD display. I really enjoy that along with the speed sign recognition. Really wish Acura had stuck with the 3rd gen optioning where on the base model you got most features, navigation was extra but on the type S you got everything (along with brake/engine/body and interior upgrades) with the only option being summer tires. Was a great formula back then and probably one of the reasons why it sold so well.
#217
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You know, I want a Type-R trim more than the Type-S, as in an all-out performance orientated TLX Type-R and a MDX Type-R.
With the 573hp NSX priced at $15,700 and up, there is always a market for a $80k-$90k 400-450hp TLX-R and a MDX-R, that can compete with the Audi RS, BMW M, and MB AMG vehicles.
With the 573hp NSX priced at $15,700 and up, there is always a market for a $80k-$90k 400-450hp TLX-R and a MDX-R, that can compete with the Audi RS, BMW M, and MB AMG vehicles.
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For what the price of the Type S will be there are a lot of options There will never be a TLX in the Audi R series category, no significant market for that. I highly doubt the type S will exceed the S series which base level for 2021 is below the predicted type S price of 55k estimated, while the 2021 S5 starts at 52k and 4.4 0-60. I am sure BMW offers something close to that performance at the same price.
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For what the price of the Type S will be there are a lot of options There will never be a TLX in the Audi R series category, no significant market for that. I highly doubt the type S will exceed the S series which base level for 2021 is below the predicted type S price of 55k estimated, while the 2021 S5 starts at 52k and 4.4 0-60. I am sure BMW offers something close to that performance at the same price.
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No doubt the TLX fully optioned will be less. Having gone from the TLX to an S5 for being tired of waiting on the TLX type S I am not sure a Type S will be much less than the S5 comparably. The S5 fully optioned out will outprice the Type S as it should as it will have options the Type S won't have at any price. If the type S is in the 55 to 60k range the price difference for the same options will be not too far off. Performance wise if they can match it that would be a good first step. My main concern (as with many acura owners) was maintenance costs over time. Oil change on Audi is $116 in my parts although the change interval is less frequent probably due to the larger oil capacity. Larger services more costly and more intensive when they come up. Reliability wise if maintained not much difference but Acura if true to form with the TLX it will be a lot less to service over the years. I would imagine the Type S may have a more intensive service schedule than the TLX though but that is an unknown.
#221
6G TLX-S
It's not that Honda/Acura is not capable, just witness the 2G NSX and the Civic Type-R, it is whether Honda/Acura wants to do it or not.
In addition, the TLX-R is an excellent tool for brand image building, so make it a limited quantity release.
Also, don't expect the TLX-R to make money, like the mass volume regular trims.
Do you know why Acura is having a hard time selling high priced vehicles, when Audi/BMW/Lexus/MB don't ? This all has to do with Acura's subpar brand image and brand recognition.
Just think of the TLX-R (and the $157K+ NSX) as marketing products, and the high performance brand image boosting effect is considered development/marketing money well spent.
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#222
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Hey, when Acura were to release a $80-90k TLX-R, it sure in hell is gonna beat them all.
It's not that Honda/Acura is not capable, just witness the 2G NSX and the Civic Type-R, it is whether Honda/Acura wants to do it or not.
In addition, the TLX-R is an excellent tool for brand image building, so make it a limited quantity release.
Also, don't expect the TLX-R to make money, like the mass volume regular trims.
Do you know why Acura is having a hard time selling high priced vehicles, when Audi/BMW/Lexus/MB don't ? This all has to do with Acura's subpar brand image and brand recognition.
Just think of the TLX-R (and the $157K+ NSX) as marketing products, and the high performance brand image boosting effect is considered development/marketing money well spent.
It's not that Honda/Acura is not capable, just witness the 2G NSX and the Civic Type-R, it is whether Honda/Acura wants to do it or not.
In addition, the TLX-R is an excellent tool for brand image building, so make it a limited quantity release.
Also, don't expect the TLX-R to make money, like the mass volume regular trims.
Do you know why Acura is having a hard time selling high priced vehicles, when Audi/BMW/Lexus/MB don't ? This all has to do with Acura's subpar brand image and brand recognition.
Just think of the TLX-R (and the $157K+ NSX) as marketing products, and the high performance brand image boosting effect is considered development/marketing money well spent.
Acura is NOT that type of brand. Can Acura make such a vehicle? Possibly. But who would buy it? They are not that type of brand to attract those buyers. More than just performance those other brands are already way ahead of Acura in technology, their proven performance and just the quality of vehicle for the price. The buyers of such high performance vehicles know what those vehicle can do and it also brings a different level of prestige. When I rented the 2020 NSX, A LOT OF PEOPLE noticed it, but 2 out of 10 knew it was an Acura. You get my point. It's not that type of brand.
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Hey, when Acura were to release a $80-90k TLX-R, it sure in hell is gonna beat them all.
It's not that Honda/Acura is not capable, just witness the 2G NSX and the Civic Type-R, it is whether Honda/Acura wants to do it or not.
In addition, the TLX-R is an excellent tool for brand image building, so make it a limited quantity release.
Also, don't expect the TLX-R to make money, like the mass volume regular trims.
Do you know why Acura is having a hard time selling high priced vehicles, when Audi/BMW/Lexus/MB don't ? This all has to do with Acura's subpar brand image and brand recognition.
Just think of the TLX-R (and the $157K+ NSX) as marketing products, and the high performance brand image boosting effect is considered development/marketing money well spent.
It's not that Honda/Acura is not capable, just witness the 2G NSX and the Civic Type-R, it is whether Honda/Acura wants to do it or not.
In addition, the TLX-R is an excellent tool for brand image building, so make it a limited quantity release.
Also, don't expect the TLX-R to make money, like the mass volume regular trims.
Do you know why Acura is having a hard time selling high priced vehicles, when Audi/BMW/Lexus/MB don't ? This all has to do with Acura's subpar brand image and brand recognition.
Just think of the TLX-R (and the $157K+ NSX) as marketing products, and the high performance brand image boosting effect is considered development/marketing money well spent.
The NSX are being discounted into $139,00 & to near C7 ZR1 end of the generation Corvette pricing. According to Car & Driver the Corvette ZR1 they tested in 2018 was as tested $141,190 (base price: $122,095). Its expected the C8 ZR1 will be in the same general range as the current one. They account for about 1600 units per year. The NSX does under 300 units.
For the TLX selling at $80,000 its at well optioned BMW M money. The base M4 Coupe 473bhp is at $72,000 MSRP. With almost full options a M4 Coupe is $79,000. Daughter is buying a Pig Snout M4 convertible because she drives MT only & has only driven/owned convertibles since she got her drivers license.
Based on the M4 Coupe pricing & a chat with the person I got the Z4 from it should run in the $85,000 MSRP range less any discounts. She is a keeper so she will buy it not lease. Configurator should be out next month. Personally think the new design 4 series will take a big hit sales due to the front end. That said 473BHP & 503BHP engines & 6MT's will make a number of people who want a 4 seater over look the front end.
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No problem with that. I got the Z4 instead of the M4 because it still has a version of the traditional grill & front fascia. That said with the limited number of strong sport oriented 4 seat MT convertibles available was not all that surprised she is getting the BMW. I would have bought last years design if it was not end of the "F" series that came out 7 years ago. A lot has changed since then & is incorporated into the 2021 "G" series.
She is a longer keeper than me & has an early :F: series M3 or M4 (can't remember when they made the split) convertible now.
She is a longer keeper than me & has an early :F: series M3 or M4 (can't remember when they made the split) convertible now.
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Thats the conundrum I face for my next car. I have to spend less than my 540, so I have to decide whether features and luxury are more important, or performance. The M340 engine, basically a pumped up version of my 540 engine, is truly a thing of beauty.
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For what the price of the Type S will be there are a lot of options There will never be a TLX in the Audi R series category, no significant market for that. I highly doubt the type S will exceed the S series which base level for 2021 is below the predicted type S price of 55k estimated, while the 2021 S5 starts at 52k and 4.4 0-60. I am sure BMW offers something close to that performance at the same price.
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1) HUD
2) Power side mirrors
3) Heated steering wheel
4) Heated rear seats
5) Rain sensing wipers
6) Remote start button on keyfob
7) LED fog lights
8) Surround View Camera system
9) Front windshield wiper de-icer
This is a pretty long list that's apparently exclusive to the Advance trim.
https://beta.acuranews.com/en-US/rel...late-september
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Does that take into account the TLX Type S will not have:
1) HUD
2) Power side mirrors
3) Heated steering wheel
4) Heated rear seats
5) Rain sensing wipers
6) Remote start button on keyfob
7) LED fog lights
8) Surround View Camera system
9) Front windshield wiper de-icer
This is a pretty long list that's apparently exclusive to the Advance trim.
https://beta.acuranews.com/en-US/rel...late-september
1) HUD
2) Power side mirrors
3) Heated steering wheel
4) Heated rear seats
5) Rain sensing wipers
6) Remote start button on keyfob
7) LED fog lights
8) Surround View Camera system
9) Front windshield wiper de-icer
This is a pretty long list that's apparently exclusive to the Advance trim.
https://beta.acuranews.com/en-US/rel...late-september
https://www.audiusa.com/us/web/en/mo...w/summary.html
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#231
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Not to mention that performance is also a question mark at this point. Yes it may be 10k less, but performance wise it may also be 10% or so off as well. Less features and less performance matches it's cheaper price. So in the end, you may not be getting something cheaper, just something that's proportional to price.
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Here’s a tricked out S5 priced at $65,000 with destination and no Audi Care. Does not include pano or massage seats. Nice ride, but definitely a little pricy.
https://www.truecar.com/dashboard/XQ...e=price-report
https://www.truecar.com/dashboard/XQ...e=price-report
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Personally don't think in the case of the TLX-S vs S5 that the price spread is a "premium". The S5 lives in a different market & is not just a more expensive TLX-S. Its a luxury item that sells at a price that people will not pay for a TLX-S
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Definitely another uphill for Acura to battle in addition to what has already been stated ad-nausea here. Maybe we'll be surprised. Only time will tell.
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So, back on topic (I know, the nerve ...), anybody hearing anything new/updates on the TLX Type-S release?
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I'm thinking late May to early June.
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Given how production on the Type S hasn't yet started (based on the TLX 2.0T and MDX, there's a 3-4 week turnaround between production and arrival to dealers), and that it's set for a "Spring 2021" release, we're looking at somewhere between April and June.
I'm thinking late May to early June.
I'm thinking late May to early June.
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I can attest since I was heavily considering and S5, you get most of the Advance features in the Audi for about 63K on Audi site, this is before negotiating with dealers, they don't budge much on S5 though. The S5 includes features the Acura doesn't even offer like massage seats and the digital display as well as a panoroof. It's another reason why Acura was crazy not to have the Type S with all the Advance features especially when they are trying to price in low 50s at 10K less the vehicles with more cache are still going to be desirable to almost everyone else except loyalist, but you are getting less in a way in terms of perceived value. Side note, the Audi loses the flat bottom steering wheel and I believe only the Napa seating if you want heated steering wheel because that forces you into the cold weather package.
Hopefully the type S has Significantly better performance than any TL or TLX that has been out. I have a hard time figuring out how much faster a 350hp TLX will be vs the near 300hp current model. The turbo will help I would imagine. I have had 5 new acuras and this is the first time in 12 years I have bought a used car but one drive was all it took.
Handling wise the S5 is crazy good while still having a super comfortable ride. One of my main problems with the 07 type S I had was I felt every bump in the road.
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