2021 Acura TLX vs The Competition
#1681
The last time I recall Acura/Honda bumping up the hp in an MMC was with the 7G Accord V6 (240hp to 244hp); maybe someone here can recall a more recent occurence.
That said, Infiniti is another make that tend to leave opportunity on the table. Sourcing the G37's lethargic 7AT for the Q50 (let alone the RS400 version) is flatout shameful. (Bad enough they got cold feet with the Eau Rouge prospect.) The Red Sport would probably be a blast with ZF8.
That said, Infiniti is another make that tend to leave opportunity on the table. Sourcing the G37's lethargic 7AT for the Q50 (let alone the RS400 version) is flatout shameful. (Bad enough they got cold feet with the Eau Rouge prospect.) The Red Sport would probably be a blast with ZF8.
#1682
I keep coming back to this car ...
https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf-r
I know it's not a direct competitor, but I've always loved the look of the Golf R's since the R32. The interior controls and infotainment seem like a real PITA to live with on a day-to-day though. If they fix it in the MMC, I might not be able to resist.
https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf-r
I know it's not a direct competitor, but I've always loved the look of the Golf R's since the R32. The interior controls and infotainment seem like a real PITA to live with on a day-to-day though. If they fix it in the MMC, I might not be able to resist.
#1683
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I keep coming back to this car ...
https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf-r
I know it's not a direct competitor, but I've always loved the look of the Golf R's since the R32. The interior controls and infotainment seem like a real PITA to live with on a day-to-day though. If they fix it in the MMC, I might not be able to resist.
https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf-r
I know it's not a direct competitor, but I've always loved the look of the Golf R's since the R32. The interior controls and infotainment seem like a real PITA to live with on a day-to-day though. If they fix it in the MMC, I might not be able to resist.
#1684
Sad that the pinnacle of (obtainable) performance for a self-purported "performance brand" can't hold its own in the most common performance metric: acceleration.
Sure, power and acceleration isn't everything, but a "performance" car that loses to all its rivals in that facet is similar to a "luxury" car that's louder and rougher than all its rivals. Sure, reduced NVH isn't everything for a luxury car, but even if it's got all the other luxury features it would still be a big miss. Similarly, power/acceleration isn't everything for a "performance" car, but even if it handles great it's still a big miss.
Acura should have been honest and just said that they're a sporty brand, not a performance brand. Either that or actually given us performance. Between the fit and finish issues, there's nothing "precision crafted" about these cars, and there's certainly nothing "performance" there either...
Sure, power and acceleration isn't everything, but a "performance" car that loses to all its rivals in that facet is similar to a "luxury" car that's louder and rougher than all its rivals. Sure, reduced NVH isn't everything for a luxury car, but even if it's got all the other luxury features it would still be a big miss. Similarly, power/acceleration isn't everything for a "performance" car, but even if it handles great it's still a big miss.
Acura should have been honest and just said that they're a sporty brand, not a performance brand. Either that or actually given us performance. Between the fit and finish issues, there's nothing "precision crafted" about these cars, and there's certainly nothing "performance" there either...
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#1685
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Well I do care about the power in the sense I don’t want to lose anything coming from my 2016 TLX V6… sure upgrading to a 2021+ A-Spec I wouldn’t lose any features and would gain more features. However I prefer to have a V6 Turbo over I4 Turbo. Had the Type-S not exist I more than likely would’ve jumped into a 2018-2020 A-Spec. I also like how the type-s has the adaptive dampers too
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#1686
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I'd like to see the Second Gen A Spec Run.
#1687
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I'd let Sam borrow mine but mine is fwd AND stage 3 tuned so, hard launches are a no-go. (i.e.: no traction until 2nd or 3rd gear) A roll race on the otherhand......
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#1689
I wonder how much those undoubtedly heavy wheels hurt the TLX times too. It seems like the owner spent on his money on the wheels and didn't have anything left over for some proper rubber. I've never heard of this tire brand before...KINTOsomething KT550?
#1690
not enough to mitigate bus lengths.
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#1692
Hmm. My post was just deleted even though I posted about Red Sport vs Type S in a vs competition thread???
Anyway, Red Sport is a fast car even with crappy tranny running high 12s. The gap should be much bigger and I believe Sam had his buddy let off in the Red Sport to get the S come back for more races.
Also, RS is proof that having a faster car does not mean it will sell. Most never considered it when it came out. This was still before Infiniti literally fell off the cliff.
Anyway, Red Sport is a fast car even with crappy tranny running high 12s. The gap should be much bigger and I believe Sam had his buddy let off in the Red Sport to get the S come back for more races.
Also, RS is proof that having a faster car does not mean it will sell. Most never considered it when it came out. This was still before Infiniti literally fell off the cliff.
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#1693
Hmm. My post was just deleted even though I posted about Red Sport vs Type S in a vs competition thread???
Anyway, Red Sport is a fast car even with crappy tranny running high 12s. The gap should be much bigger and I believe Sam had his buddy let off in the Red Sport to get the S come back for more races.
Also, RS is proof that having a faster car does not mean it will sell. Most never considered it when it came out. This was still before Infiniti literally fell off the cliff.
Anyway, Red Sport is a fast car even with crappy tranny running high 12s. The gap should be much bigger and I believe Sam had his buddy let off in the Red Sport to get the S come back for more races.
Also, RS is proof that having a faster car does not mean it will sell. Most never considered it when it came out. This was still before Infiniti literally fell off the cliff.
#1694
If memory serves, the Q50RS didn't get a standing ovation when it was introduced either. People liked the horsepower numbers, but for the added cost over the "Silver Sport," most Datsun fans didn't think it was really worth it. A simple tune would get you the same straight line performance.
Unrelated, but related, there was a CT4-V Blackwing in the mall (I was surprised, since they're ultra-limited production) and that is one goddamn sexy vehicle.
Unrelated, but related, there was a CT4-V Blackwing in the mall (I was surprised, since they're ultra-limited production) and that is one goddamn sexy vehicle.
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#1697
From what I've read, you lose auto-windshield wipers in the current A-Spec vs previous gen. Definitely makes my TLX feel less "luxe".
#1698
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oh no didn't know about that lol well good thing 2021 A-Spec is not on my shopping list lol but on a serious note, Acura should be improving the "luxe" feel with each trim level or rather the higher you go with trim level.
#1700
You want to hear about going backwards...try the new Si. They removed fog lights, heated seats, dual climate control, adaptive cruise, adaptive dampers, reduced horsepower and jacked up the price. What's not to love.
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#1703
As for power, it looks like it actually makes more peak power than the 10G. Hondata measured 222whp vs 201whp for the 10G.
It also looks like they addressed one of the big criticism with the 10G Si: power drops off way too early; by the time you get to 4500 to 5000 RPMs the little turbo is running out of steam. The new one has a flat torque curve all the way to 5500RPMs. I think what we'll find is that the new engine doesn't pull as hard down low, is close in the mid-range, but pulls a lot harder up high in the rev band like a Honda should.
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#1704
Seem to be happening industry wide, BMW has also removed lot of stuff like acc, 360 camera and other stuff from the trims that offered these before, chip shortage has been blamed for this.
#1705
I don't know if they're the same car. Very similar, but that one has tinted tails and a rear diffuser in typical rice fashion. If you look at the history of the vids, it seems like they go back and forth with which one they use ... either that or this guy changes out his tail lights, spoiler and rear diffuser for different vids.
#1706
What's the deal with this? Apparently the Golf R is going to be the same price in Canada as the US ... so, with the exchange rate, the Golf R is actually significantly cheaper over there. It almost makes me want to take a trip up to Montreal during spring break, make poor life decisions and scoop up a Golf R while I'm up there ... though, some may say buying a VW should be lumped in with "poor life decisions." Kekeke ...
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#1708
#1709
As for the Type-S, the only Advance features that really should have been included are the adaptive dampers, folding mirrors, remote engine start, and surround view camera. The only one that it lacks is the camera, which isn't really a dealbreaker. Other stuff like the open pore wood, rain-sensing wipers, acoustic glass, heated/ventilated rear seats, heated steering wheel, HUD, and even the 16-way power seats either add weight to an already heavy car, add cost/complexity, and/or are unnecessary on a more performance-oriented trim. If anything they should be offered as a separate option, which admittedly isn't Acura's style.
And even with some of the much decried omissions from the Advance it's still a very well equipped vehicle. I was looking into the C43 AMG (W205) the other day and was shocked how underequipped it was even for a MB. These are just the major features standard on the Type-S that cost extra on the C43 AMG, which already starts at $5K more:
- Adaptive high-beams
- 20" wheels (18" standard)
- Real leather seats
- Ventilated front seats (!)
- Navigation system w/live traffic (!)
- Remote start (key fob)
- Touchpad control for center screen (not a touchscreen)
- Wireless phone charging
- Rear cross traffic alert
- Entire electronic safety suite (!): lane keeping, blind spot warning, speed limit reader, ACC, collision avoidance, etc.
Note that this list doesn't include features missing on both the Type-S and standard C43 (such as 360 camera). While I know Mercedes charges a hefty premium just for the "privilege" of having the 3-pointed star on the grille and that most MB buyers aren't cross-shopping Japanese brands (and probably not even Audi or BMW), but this is still ridiculous. Even the A-Spec has most of these features.
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To me the auto wipers are a minor omission on the A-Spec. I really think the A-Spec is the sweet spot in the current TLX lineup (like it was for the 1G) and will lead in sales. The A-Spec is only $2,250 more than the Tech but adds: upgraded ELS audio (17 speakers vs 13 and Twin Telford subs), ventilated seats, wireless charging, spoiler and diffuser plus a bunch of more aggressive styling cues inside and out.
As for the Type-S, the only Advance features that really should have been included are the adaptive dampers, folding mirrors, remote engine start, and surround view camera. The only one that it lacks is the camera, which isn't really a dealbreaker. Other stuff like the open pore wood, rain-sensing wipers, acoustic glass, heated/ventilated rear seats, heated steering wheel, HUD, and even the 16-way power seats either add weight to an already heavy car, add cost/complexity, and/or are unnecessary on a more performance-oriented trim. If anything they should be offered as a separate option, which admittedly isn't Acura's style.
And even with some of the much decried omissions from the Advance it's still a very well equipped vehicle. I was looking into the C43 AMG (W205) the other day and was shocked how underequipped it was even for a MB. These are just the major features standard on the Type-S that cost extra on the C43 AMG, which already starts at $5K more:
- Adaptive high-beams
- 20" wheels (18" standard)
- Real leather seats
- Ventilated front seats (!)
- Navigation system w/live traffic (!)
- Remote start (key fob)
- Touchpad control for center screen (not a touchscreen)
- Wireless phone charging
- Rear cross traffic alert
- Entire electronic safety suite (!): lane keeping, blind spot warning, speed limit reader, ACC, collision avoidance, etc.
Note that this list doesn't include features missing on both the Type-S and standard C43 (such as 360 camera). While I know Mercedes charges a hefty premium just for the "privilege" of having the 3-pointed star on the grille and that most MB buyers aren't cross-shopping Japanese brands (and probably not even Audi or BMW), but this is still ridiculous. Even the A-Spec has most of these features.
As for the Type-S, the only Advance features that really should have been included are the adaptive dampers, folding mirrors, remote engine start, and surround view camera. The only one that it lacks is the camera, which isn't really a dealbreaker. Other stuff like the open pore wood, rain-sensing wipers, acoustic glass, heated/ventilated rear seats, heated steering wheel, HUD, and even the 16-way power seats either add weight to an already heavy car, add cost/complexity, and/or are unnecessary on a more performance-oriented trim. If anything they should be offered as a separate option, which admittedly isn't Acura's style.
And even with some of the much decried omissions from the Advance it's still a very well equipped vehicle. I was looking into the C43 AMG (W205) the other day and was shocked how underequipped it was even for a MB. These are just the major features standard on the Type-S that cost extra on the C43 AMG, which already starts at $5K more:
- Adaptive high-beams
- 20" wheels (18" standard)
- Real leather seats
- Ventilated front seats (!)
- Navigation system w/live traffic (!)
- Remote start (key fob)
- Touchpad control for center screen (not a touchscreen)
- Wireless phone charging
- Rear cross traffic alert
- Entire electronic safety suite (!): lane keeping, blind spot warning, speed limit reader, ACC, collision avoidance, etc.
Note that this list doesn't include features missing on both the Type-S and standard C43 (such as 360 camera). While I know Mercedes charges a hefty premium just for the "privilege" of having the 3-pointed star on the grille and that most MB buyers aren't cross-shopping Japanese brands (and probably not even Audi or BMW), but this is still ridiculous. Even the A-Spec has most of these features.
Thing is the base car is very nice even without any options @ $86,300 MSRP. The difference to the buyers they can get a car for $86,300 or less or load it up with stuff I would never buy or use to $124,000 or pick something in between that will please them. Based on the forum most cars are going out under $96,000MSRP but there a still a lot at just over $100,000. The hard core track guys all seem to be adding M-Carbon fiber bucket racing seats $3,800 & M-Carbon Ceramic brake system $8150 to the base car.
For guys who think 3,800 is expensive for a pair of seats this is what it would cost you to build a pair from parts.
#1712
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Motorweek Review of Genesis G-70
I just watched Motorweek’s review of the Genesis G70 and rewatched its review of the Acura TLX Type-S. The show liked both cars. Yes, the G70 was ½ second faster in the 0-60 mph test.
Clearly, the G70 presents as a fine vehicle. Subjectively, the G70 is a faster luxury sedan while the Type-S is a slower sports sedan. I don’t care for the Genesis grill or rear end treatment – too fancy. I especially like the Type-S front and rear-end look – aggressive. A personal opinion, no doubt.
Clearly, the G70 presents as a fine vehicle. Subjectively, the G70 is a faster luxury sedan while the Type-S is a slower sports sedan. I don’t care for the Genesis grill or rear end treatment – too fancy. I especially like the Type-S front and rear-end look – aggressive. A personal opinion, no doubt.
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To me the auto wipers are a minor omission on the A-Spec. I really think the A-Spec is the sweet spot in the current TLX lineup (like it was for the 1G) and will lead in sales. The A-Spec is only $2,250 more than the Tech but adds: upgraded ELS audio (17 speakers vs 13 and Twin Telford subs), ventilated seats, wireless charging, spoiler and diffuser plus a bunch of more aggressive styling cues inside and out.
My dealer would agree as my sales guy confirmed that the A-Spec version is far and away the highest volume trim for the 21 TLX in their store. When I went in with the intent to get the Tech pkg, the added cost for the A-Spec was immaterial given it's upgraded features (as you indicated)...and especially given the fact that I'd planned on having my dealer add a spoiler and fogs to the Tech, which probably would have cost more than the difference anyway.
Honestly, I see more A-Spec, Advance (regular appearance w/fogs) and Type S models in my travels than I do of the base and Tech models around here. (Excluding a neighbor of mine who has a tech model.)
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I just watched Motorweek’s review of the Genesis G70 and rewatched its review of the Acura TLX Type-S. The show liked both cars. Yes, the G70 was ½ second faster in the 0-60 mph test.
Clearly, the G70 presents as a fine vehicle. Subjectively, the G70 is a faster luxury sedan while the Type-S is a slower sports sedan. I don’t care for the Genesis grill or rear end treatment – too fancy. I especially like the Type-S front and rear-end look – aggressive. A personal opinion, no doubt.
Clearly, the G70 presents as a fine vehicle. Subjectively, the G70 is a faster luxury sedan while the Type-S is a slower sports sedan. I don’t care for the Genesis grill or rear end treatment – too fancy. I especially like the Type-S front and rear-end look – aggressive. A personal opinion, no doubt.
When I went to see a used Accord V6 recently at a local Hyundai/Genesis dealer, I had the opportunity to check out a new G70 3.3T. It's styling is well proportioned and the interior quality felt a notch above my A-Spec, with nicer touch points and a more upscale materials. (Honestly, it reminded me of Benz though I know it's aimed at BMW.) A sticker of $45k makes it a tempting proposition if considering something like an A-Spec or Q50 Luxe which are both priced similarly.
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Just gonna leave these here ...
#1716
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Saw this yesterday. My takeaways:
1) LOVE the updates to the S3 -- sincerely hope Acura attempted to benchmark the A3/S3 in developing the Integra (granted they'll come up short....which is what the brand is good at.)
2) The M240i is minor beast within the BMW beast den, but still a beast nonetheless. (Still would like to see an M240i xDrive Gran Coupe; though it might impact M340i sales a bit.)
3) The Golf R is still a Golf...just happens to punch a bit above it's weight; but, I'd never consider one (or the brand) in a million years. (Just reviewed the results of a recent allergy test with my doctor: I'm allergic to mold, dust mites and shoulder time.....sorry VW.)
On a funny note, I used to HATE TH....now I watch them fairly regularly; good balance of information, competent testing/racing and the right amount of humor that rarely surrender to goofiness (i.e.: The Straight Pipes)
1) LOVE the updates to the S3 -- sincerely hope Acura attempted to benchmark the A3/S3 in developing the Integra (granted they'll come up short....which is what the brand is good at.)
2) The M240i is minor beast within the BMW beast den, but still a beast nonetheless. (Still would like to see an M240i xDrive Gran Coupe; though it might impact M340i sales a bit.)
3) The Golf R is still a Golf...just happens to punch a bit above it's weight; but, I'd never consider one (or the brand) in a million years. (Just reviewed the results of a recent allergy test with my doctor: I'm allergic to mold, dust mites and shoulder time.....sorry VW.)
On a funny note, I used to HATE TH....now I watch them fairly regularly; good balance of information, competent testing/racing and the right amount of humor that rarely surrender to goofiness (i.e.: The Straight Pipes)
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Agree. Personally like the TH productions the best of all the YouTube shows. Could do without some of the goofy stuff but they do really push the cars hard. Thomas the one who does the road course for numbers is a competitive "Track Attack" driver & one of the few YouTubers that actually knows how to drive performance cars at 10/10. Going to take a chance & post this video for a few reasons which I hope are acceptable. One there was reasonable amount of chatter that the Type-S might turn out to be an M competitor, even a Honda favored YouTube test was confused about that.
The road course section clearly shows how well Thomas can control a car at the edge of adhesion & to me validates their ranking of the cars they get to test on the track by times. Lastly they both beat the crap out of the Beaver's body style which should go over pretty well here.
What I like is the reactions Thomas makes while tracking the car. His track section starts at 9:26. Some stuff before that is good info but if you are not interested at least take a look at a solid track run.
To enjoy the end go to 15:00 where they start to absolutely kill the cars looks. Of course I think they are both terrible reviewers. Thomas is beating up Bucky because he has a 2 series & James owns the Audi that got wiped out the the M340 drag race & beats up BMW's in general
The road course section clearly shows how well Thomas can control a car at the edge of adhesion & to me validates their ranking of the cars they get to test on the track by times. Lastly they both beat the crap out of the Beaver's body style which should go over pretty well here.
What I like is the reactions Thomas makes while tracking the car. His track section starts at 9:26. Some stuff before that is good info but if you are not interested at least take a look at a solid track run.
To enjoy the end go to 15:00 where they start to absolutely kill the cars looks. Of course I think they are both terrible reviewers. Thomas is beating up Bucky because he has a 2 series & James owns the Audi that got wiped out the the M340 drag race & beats up BMW's in general
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+1, understand it's typical for MB (and BMW and Audi) to nickel and dime on their line item option ordering it's ridiculous to charge for some of those safety items. FWIW, even a bottom end Civic LX or Corolla L have all of those as standard equipment. Wonder if that will change for the W206, but it's kinda pathetic to charge for standard safety tech on other cars in much lower classes.
Curious what improvements to the MMC Type-S as IMO should have 360 camera's and the HUD.
Last comment, some MB owners are among the most loyal out there.
Curious what improvements to the MMC Type-S as IMO should have 360 camera's and the HUD.
Last comment, some MB owners are among the most loyal out there.
To me the auto wipers are a minor omission on the A-Spec. I really think the A-Spec is the sweet spot in the current TLX lineup (like it was for the 1G) and will lead in sales. The A-Spec is only $2,250 more than the Tech but adds: upgraded ELS audio (17 speakers vs 13 and Twin Telford subs), ventilated seats, wireless charging, spoiler and diffuser plus a bunch of more aggressive styling cues inside and out.
As for the Type-S, the only Advance features that really should have been included are the adaptive dampers, folding mirrors, remote engine start, and surround view camera. The only one that it lacks is the camera, which isn't really a dealbreaker. Other stuff like the open pore wood, rain-sensing wipers, acoustic glass, heated/ventilated rear seats, heated steering wheel, HUD, and even the 16-way power seats either add weight to an already heavy car, add cost/complexity, and/or are unnecessary on a more performance-oriented trim. If anything they should be offered as a separate option, which admittedly isn't Acura's style.
And even with some of the much decried omissions from the Advance it's still a very well equipped vehicle. I was looking into the C43 AMG (W205) the other day and was shocked how underequipped it was even for a MB. These are just the major features standard on the Type-S that cost extra on the C43 AMG, which already starts at $5K more:
- Adaptive high-beams
- 20" wheels (18" standard)
- Real leather seats
- Ventilated front seats (!)
- Navigation system w/live traffic (!)
- Remote start (key fob)
- Touchpad control for center screen (not a touchscreen)
- Wireless phone charging
- Rear cross traffic alert
- Entire electronic safety suite (!): lane keeping, blind spot warning, speed limit reader, ACC, collision avoidance, etc.
Note that this list doesn't include features missing on both the Type-S and standard C43 (such as 360 camera). While I know Mercedes charges a hefty premium just for the "privilege" of having the 3-pointed star on the grille and that most MB buyers aren't cross-shopping Japanese brands (and probably not even Audi or BMW), but this is still ridiculous. Even the A-Spec has most of these features.
As for the Type-S, the only Advance features that really should have been included are the adaptive dampers, folding mirrors, remote engine start, and surround view camera. The only one that it lacks is the camera, which isn't really a dealbreaker. Other stuff like the open pore wood, rain-sensing wipers, acoustic glass, heated/ventilated rear seats, heated steering wheel, HUD, and even the 16-way power seats either add weight to an already heavy car, add cost/complexity, and/or are unnecessary on a more performance-oriented trim. If anything they should be offered as a separate option, which admittedly isn't Acura's style.
And even with some of the much decried omissions from the Advance it's still a very well equipped vehicle. I was looking into the C43 AMG (W205) the other day and was shocked how underequipped it was even for a MB. These are just the major features standard on the Type-S that cost extra on the C43 AMG, which already starts at $5K more:
- Adaptive high-beams
- 20" wheels (18" standard)
- Real leather seats
- Ventilated front seats (!)
- Navigation system w/live traffic (!)
- Remote start (key fob)
- Touchpad control for center screen (not a touchscreen)
- Wireless phone charging
- Rear cross traffic alert
- Entire electronic safety suite (!): lane keeping, blind spot warning, speed limit reader, ACC, collision avoidance, etc.
Note that this list doesn't include features missing on both the Type-S and standard C43 (such as 360 camera). While I know Mercedes charges a hefty premium just for the "privilege" of having the 3-pointed star on the grille and that most MB buyers aren't cross-shopping Japanese brands (and probably not even Audi or BMW), but this is still ridiculous. Even the A-Spec has most of these features.
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+1, understand it's typical for MB (and BMW and Audi) to nickel and dime on their line item option ordering it's ridiculous to charge for some of those safety items. FWIW, even a bottom end Civic LX or Corolla L have all of those as standard equipment. Wonder if that will change for the W206, but it's kinda pathetic to charge for standard safety tech on other cars in much lower classes.
Curious what improvements to the MMC Type-S as IMO should have 360 camera's and the HUD.
Last comment, some MB owners are among the most loyal out there.
Curious what improvements to the MMC Type-S as IMO should have 360 camera's and the HUD.
Last comment, some MB owners are among the most loyal out there.
#1720
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As for the Type-S, the only Advance features that really should have been included
folding mirrors, and surround view camera. The only one that it lacks is the camera,
Note that this list doesn't include features missing on both the Type-S and standard C43 (such as 360 camera).
Once you use them, you will want them on all your vehicles. They are handy for parking-lot parking, and garage parking. Plus, you will never scratch or damage front spoiler getting too close to a store-front curb, or concrete parking-stopper. And of course they should Power-Fold. For the obvious reasons but also easy way to know if it is locked when you view the car from afar.