MIKEYDRED

Yeah the only problem I see is they are both parked next to cart returns. Thats a no no for me, even parked far away my vehicles have been dinged by runway shopping carts. To be honest I hate going to places like malls with carts because people just dont respect other people's stuff, these people are the same ones with beaters and when you park next to them they looking at you while doing a full scan of their exterior to try to blame you for damage ROFL.

BadMoonRyzen

Does anyone know exactly how many Type S models for the 2021 year were sold in the US as well as the current total for the 2022 year? I tried to pilfer through this thread but I did not see the exact number for the Type S, only the regular TLX. Thanks!

fiatlux

Only Acura knows.

BadMoonRyzen

Ahhh, I see. I saw a video that said 300 for the 2021 model and that seemed mighty low. Guess we will never know!

richii0207

They produced over 2000 units for the 2022 MY. The last four digits on the VIN number show the number built for that specific year and there has been reports of people having a number greater than 2000 for 2022.

BadMoonRyzen

Gotcha. Ok, rare, but not super rare. Thanks!

Honda430

Highest current VIN number I was able to find for 2022 was 2498. Based on this I’d estimate the 2022 model year builds at 2,500. What’s really weird is that there are 2022 Apec SHAWDs here in SoCa denoted as new arrivals with VIN numbers in the 3,300 range. It looks like Acura built an exceptionally small number of TLXs for model year 2022.

Tony Pac

Thank you for this info. This helpful.

jhb31

Can you be sure that they started numbering these at 0001 ? Given the total TLX sales 2,500 would equate to roughly 1 in every 5 or 6 TLX models sold was a type S. I would guess it's closer to 1 out of every 15 to 20 is a type S model. I still haven't seen one on the road in my daily travels.

BadMoonRyzen

I was wondering about this as well. I've actually never seen another on the road, before or after my purchase and I live in a pretty good sized city.

Honda430

Based on what little I know about VIN numbers I believe they start at 001 for a given year and model designation. For 2022 total car sales are on track to top 13M. 2,500 units isn't even a ripple in that pool.

Legend2TL

Honda/Acura indicted in a press release for Honda/Acura sales that TLX Type-S account for approximately 1/4 of all TLX sales.

dmski

That seems high to me. 10% at max. The 3rd Gen Type S was very popular but I doubt they got to 25% of total sales. Too lazy to look stats up. Where's BearAv when you need him???

jhb31

When was this press release? I recall there was one over a year ago that said they sold 500 type S's in the first 60 days of the cars release?. It would seem likely that may be close to 1 in 4. I think like anything there were a lot of people that had been waiting to buy the car for years. If that is the press release it's unlikely to be representative of current sales.

Acura never released the breakdown on the 3rd gen type S. Based on anecdotal observations having had one in 2007 and being on the lookout for them I would say it was probably easily under 5%

Honda430

Prerelease of the TLX-2 there was an Acura dealer sales presentation leaked that included a bar graph of the expected sales of Type S cars for both the TLX and the ILX replacement that at the time went unnamed. In viewing the chart it appeared that the intended Type S volume was about 25% of all TLX sales and around 30% of all of the smaller sibling’s sales. Neither Type S was meant to be limited edition vehicles. Of course that was pre pandemic. Things may have changed.

MarcoTLX

speaking of Bear where is he? Seems like he’s been in hibernation all summer

Legend2TL

https://acurazine.com/forums/automot.../#post16808698

ESHBG

I saw my first Type-S in the wild today, Apex Blue Pearl with the Orchid interior. It is a nice looking and aggressive looking vehicle (but I have been saying this all along and exterior-wise this car is a hit).

ELIN

My A-Spec still gets compliments. I will probably miss that once I move on to the next car (looking like an X3).

Honda430

Warning what I'm about to write is purely speculative based on VIN numbers and reported sales. TLX reported sales from November 2021 thru September 2022 totaled 10,954. Most of that should be 2022 model year sales. Let's say 500 were 2021 builds. Total available new TLX models nationwide according to Carguros are 823. Taking out the estimated 2021 model year sales and adding in the unsold 2022 model year builds would make estimated 2022 builds 11,500. Based on the latest VIN numbers, also courtesy of Carguros, there appear to have been 2,500 Type S builds, 3,500 SHAWD 4T builds, and 5,500 FWD builds. Totaling that brings all builds to, perhaps solely coincidently, 11,500. That would put Type S builds at 22% of the total. Granted this is a rough estimates, but the numbers line up close enough for me to conclude that it's somewhat in line with reality.

jhb31

I have wondered this as well. He was all present regularly on the forums, not always on topic but surprised he has been absent. Hopefully he is doing well.

He is up there in age so hopefully still kicking.

jhb31

Still need to know if the vin starts at 0001. Frankly if I was a type S owner I would prefer the ratio to be much less that 1 out of 4. The 3rd gen type S held value over the other TL by a huge margin as the years passed. Mainly due to the uptake on the base model being so high.

Tony Pac

Honda and Acura had a tough year but glad it's over and Acura hit the 100K units mark! Still a massive decline of 35% from last year. Clearly, Acura focused on Integra and MDX, which from a financially point of view makes sense: Integra is based on Civic and shares a lot of parts. MDX has the biggest profit margin. Considering the supply chain issue, Honda's mismanagement of material and etc. They did decent.

Cheers to the new year and new Integra TYPE S
Sales Highlights

Acura posts best sales since April and will begin the year with more than three-and-a-half times the on-hand inventory compared to the start of 2022.

• All-new Integra sales remain strong with 3rd straight month over 2,100 units making it retail #1 in segment in just 7 months on the market.
• MDX tops 5,000 units in December sales making it the 2nd best sales month of 2022 and 4th consecutive month over 4,000 units. RDX has best month since April.

Pens Fan

Hopefully production increases significantly in 2023. We need to do away with ADM ASAP!!!

ESHBG

What a flop the TLX is The RDX is tanking now also.

Tony Pac

We will pray for better days to come! At least Acura has the power to retain you here 24/7! Cheers and happy new year!

Tony Pac

The market will shift sooner than later. With these high interests rates, I believe car prices will decline. The used car market will suffer even bigger.

Unfortunately, 2023 will be a tough year for most car manufacturers. Let’s wait and see!

fiatlux

I find it amusing that even with the Integra selling so well (relatively speaking), the Integra subforum here is still a veritable ghost town. Outside of the one thread about the ITS spy shots, there's what, a scant dozen comments over the past month? I wouldn't be surprised if that's what this subforum turns into if there's no more bantering.

fiatlux

FWIW they actaully sold 2x more RDX this month compared to last month (2369 vs 1087). Disregard the YoY numbers; those numbers help normalize for demand seasonality, but as we know almost all automakers are supply constrained, not demand constrained, so the MoM numbers are more useful to gauge how they're trending. And as far as their MoM numbers, they're actually trending in the right direction for Honda/Acura, with total sales (which in this case is a proxy for production) up about 17% over November.

ESHBG

Oh yeah it's been entertaining watching this thing flop. And a reminder that before it was released it was a top contender for my next vehicle. But alas, here we are...

Happy New Year!

A fair point but it's missing the mark which is odd, as the RDX's segment is quite popular and it could be argued that it should be beating the MDX or at least much closer than it is.

Tony Pac

Well sorry to hear that! Get a Stinger before they are "sold out". it's faster and more reliable. Good luck!

fiatlux

Again, everything is supply constrained so it’s not beating the MDX because they aren’t making more of them than the MDX. You can’t sell what you don’t build.

ESHBG

I have been in both and it is sportier and more practical. But don't worry the TLX will be soon also.

ESHBG

And again, supplies would be diverted to it if it made sense to do so and oddly it doesn't which is out of line with the segment. But there are 65 new RDXs within 30 miles of me (quick search) so no shortage to choose from, both '22 and '23.

fiatlux

Why would it make sense to divert what limited supplies they have to build more RDXs instead of more profitable MDXs? The answer is that it doesn't. That's why MDX sales are higher; it's not rocket science. They're not building these cars to meet demand; demand is well in excess of supply, so it makes sense to capture as much consumer value as possible by selling the more profitable goods. This is Microeconomics 101 stuff. It's the same reason why Tesla hardly makes any RWD models and instead prioritizes the more profitable AWD Long Range and Performance/Plaid models. Why would they sell the cheaper car when they can't even make enough of the more expensive ones to meet demand?

ESHBG

You are missing my point and also missing that I am indeed clear on how things work and I said that it doesn't make sense to do so. The RDX should be a bigger seller because the segment is popular thus the RDX is apparently missing the mark now too.

And again, supplies would be diverted to it if it made sense to do so and oddly it doesn't which is out of line with the segment.

And on a related note the MDX is now piling up on lots, 235 within 30 miles of me and there have been local advertisements for deals on it.

fiatlux

And you're missing my point. You're still not explaining how it makes sense to build less profitable RDX models when there's an excess of demand of more profitable MDX models? It doens't matter how popular the segment is; even if it's more popular why would you want to sell a less profitable unit at the expense of a more profitable unit?

As far as them piling up, it must be in your area only becuase in my area they're flying off the lots.

ESHBG

If there was a demand for the RDX you would build them and sell them because A) you would not want to lose customers to competitors B) increase in units moved = increase in profits. Both things can be true and the MDX can bring in profits because of the higher margin and the RDX could bring in profits due to amount sold. As far as the supplies are concerned they can be diverted in many ways.

But I am not saying to build more RDXs right now so...

So then not very popular here I guess. But it looks like 4576 across the country and that sounds like a healthy number for these times (and about four times the amount of RDXs).

fiatlux

If you only had enough components to build 10 cars, and there are 20 people who want MDXs and 40 people who want RDXs, how many of each are you going to build? Hint: the answer is not 10 RDXs.

That's categorically falsed. The increase in RDX profits would be more than negated by the decrease in MDX profits because you're trading MDX production for RDX production. You can't have both.

ESHBG

It's not "categorically false" unless you create a hypothetical example but I too can do the same and in my hypothetical there is no need to take supplies away from the MDX and they are taken from somewhere else so you don't need to play the same shell game you just did and you just sold RDXs and MDXs.