Legend2TL

No, everyone is not dealing with the same supply shortage. Different manufacturers use different chips have far different delivery dates depending on their fab/technology. It comes down to what technology, the chosen chip fab and it's various fab start slot availability.
Honda/Acura apparently have come off the worst in this situation, initially Tesla (with their own chip design group) were doing the best.

ESHBG

A related article that dives into the Honda/Acura specifics: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301579786.html

RE: Buick, they have come a long way and I was in an Encore recently and the tech was nice and it had more features than most Acura US trims e.g. 360 camera

I also feel as if some of the negative Honda press lately and terrible customer service and dealership experiences has caught up and we are beginning to see some impact from that. A few recent examples:

The U.S. government’s road safety agency is investigating complaints that the fuel-saving stop-start system on some Honda Pilot SUVs can fail to restart
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...start-85235465

The Feds are not happy with Honda
It received several complaints about its automatic emergency braking system.
https://carbuzz.com/news/the-feds-ar...ppy-with-honda

Exactly. If you aren't dead set on a Honda/Acura right now you can find vehicles and get good deals too.

Tony Pac

Honda is hit so bad! 40-42% down.

Tony Pac

At least it's clear that Honda is not abandoning Acura. By looking at their most popular vehicles like CRV, Civic and Accord, sales are down 40%. I am wondering why Honda is hit so bad compared to Lexus.

Pens Fan

The production and sales of Honda and Acura vehicles is mind boggling. I don't think any other manufacturer has been affected as much. Heard that no TLX Advances have been built in 2022 so far-truly amazing.

Tony Pac

agreed! What's the issue with Honda America? It' beyond my understanding.

KrylonBlue

I’d love to know myself. They seem to be struggling with production more than others. I’m glad I was able to get my car when I did

fiatlux

I don't know what the heck Honda is doing, but Toyota seems be weathering the storm better than most, which shouldn't come as a surprise as they're the king of logistics and operations

​​​​​​​https://www.autonews.com/manufacturi...y-chain-crises

ELIN

I'm guessing they didn't have the best semiconductor chip negotiators. They probably hedged wrong.

leomio2.0

With these low inventory figures, Honda dealers are going to be charging $100k+ for the upcoming Civic Type-R's they're going to be allocated. Git your shit together, Honda.

dmski

Lost sales and revenue will be off the charts for Acura. I can see TLX Gen 2 life cycle lasting for 10 years or so. They're not going to recoup the investments made for a long time.

MarcoTLX

you sure they won’t discontinue it before letting the 2nd generation last such a long time?

Tony Pac

Clearly, Honda isn't managing this issue and probably they did not hedge themselves. Really sad....Acura division brought some of the best vehicles after 10-15 years and the demand is there but no inventory!

a35tl

The lack of inventory is crushing Honda/Acura. I was just by my local Honda dealer yesterday. They probably had 40 - 50 cars for sale, of which maybe 5 or 6 were new Hondas. The Nissan dealer down the road from them is just as bad.

Honda430

It’s crazy here in So Cal. Within 100 miles of LA there are 17 Integras listed for sale with most apparently in transit. For the TLX there are 10 Aspec SHAWD and no Advance models either SHAWD or FWD. Total FWD models are 38. There are 12 Acura dealerships within 100 miles of LA so what we have is basically 1 Integra and 4 TLX per dealer. It’s hard to sell what you don’t have.

ESHBG

And a new Accord is dropping early next year? Not sure how at this point but okay.

My guess is that it will be discontinued sooner than later.

dmski

Before the chip shortage the sales were actually quite good for a sedan. Doesn't make sense to discontinue it because they can't build enough of them. It's not the RLX. However, don't expect any drastic upgrades or refresh for a long time.

Legend2TL

in good times (only a few years ago, Honda was selling ~300K Accords in the US. I strongly suspect the next gen Accord electronics are being redesigned to use be use different chips that are causing their severe chip shortages affecting many Honda/Accords

ESHBG

Sedan sales have been on a downward slide and "quite good" is still not that spectacular compared to crossovers and SUVs. It's not just one factor right now and it's many so I don't see the TLX making the cut.

The Accord is a different animal and I would argue it's just an all around better car for the average consumer. But even with that in mind it's still a sedan in a rapidly dying segment.

Edward'TLS

Toyota's market capitalization is 254 billion US dollars, whereas Honda's is slightly less than 1/6 of Toyota at 44.5 billion US dollars.

Therefore, Toyota can afford to do all sorts of things that other smaller automakers can only dream of.

Legend2TL

Honda is not discontinuing their 3rd best selling vehicle. Accord 11G will probably go through one more ICE/hybrid design evolution before the 12G will probably be a all new EV platform.

ESHBG

I didn't say that they were but they could divert resources if needed and produce less. But agreed that an ICE Accord is approaching its last run.

fiatlux

If company size is a factor, then Mazda would also be in a world of hurt as they are much smaller, yet they aren't seeing nearly the same sales drop that Honda is.

Legend2TL

My bad, though you were referring to Accord above.

Edward'TLS

The resources in Honda is stretched thin amongst automobile, motorcycle, ATV's, motorsports, lawnmowers, power equipment, private jets, E2-DR (previously ASIMO), etc.

Mazda only has to take care of automobile and motorsports.

fiatlux

Sounds like Honda made their own bed in that case.

Tony Pac

it's all good, Honda/Acura will recover...this is part of life. At least, we know Acura is making some of the best cars right now and as the situation gets better, their sales number will improve. As I mentioned before, it sucks for Acura as they made an amazing come back with some of the best vehicles in their lineup and boom.

Staying positive!

Tony Pac

Also sedan market is dying! Nissan just announced that they will discontinue the Maxima.

Poor Nissan and Infiniti, they are struggling with sales and no production. QX60 is the only car in that segment that gives incentives and sells below MSRP. Brand new vehicle, getting great reviews and yet Infiniti can't sell them.

leomio2.0

MDX Type-S be like ...

F23A4

The MDX Type S sells fairly well around here but, not sure outside of the Northeast. I've seen far more of these than the TLX Type S. (Almost see as many MDX Type S as I do ANY 2G TLX, tbh)

leomio2.0

Yea, I've seen a handful driving around here too. I just like to mess with Tony Pac as he feigns not being a fanboy with his passive-aggressive jabs at other manufacturers.

MarcoTLX

i hate to agree but I agree where I am in the DC, Maryland, VA area I see a few MDX-S on the roads but many of them are still sitting at various Acura stores unsold, however these same dealers have barely any MDX Techs, little to no MDX A-Specs, and have 4-5 MDX Type-S cars on the lot unsold. Idk but people in my area don’t seem to wanna spend $68k-$73k on a high-end MDX trim level

ESHBG

I have seen 0.0 MDX-S on the road here in Philly but a quick search turns up quite a few on lots in my area. And this was posted in the MDX forum, a dealer offering $5K off of MSRP:

https://acurazine.com/forums/4g-mdx-.../#post16835897

KrylonBlue

I have seen about 5 MDX-S on the road. I’ve also seen about the same amount of TLX-S on the road. I do see a lot of TLX/MDX (ASPEC/Standard) though. I never expected to see a ton of Type S of any model as I look at it as a car for those like myself rather than the general public.

Tony Pac

You're a funny guy! I like your "sense of humor" Stay cool like this....if I can help you to be less sensitive, let me know

Tony Pac

The story is simple, Acura MDX standard or Type S, who cares. At the end of the day they both sell better than QX60 or any other Infiniti vehicle this may hurt our sensitive friend here, but it's the reality! Since the inception of Infiniti, the brand had only a few years of success around 2002ish. The issue is when you outline facts here, some members cannot tolerate it but they love to come and say TLX is slow.

That said, the QX60 looks really good...i think their interior design is better than MDX. It's more classy and looks upscale.

Tony Pac

Thank you. Acura never claimed that they will sell a ton of TYPE S. TYPE S will represent 10-20% of the total sales. That's my guess.

fiatlux

What’s the fascination with constantly comparing Acura to Infiniti when we all know Infiniti is dead in the water? Might as well compare Honda to Mitsubishi to rationalize how Honda’s sales drop due to supply issues aren’t actually that bad in comparison.

Tony Pac

lol! Sure compare Honda to Mitsubishi. Who stopped you?

Free forum right? We all have opinion. TLX is small...slow...expensive...doesn't offer enough...the list keeps going. What kind of answer we got here when we asked people stopped comparing. "It's a car forum and we are allowed to share opinion." I also have the same right to say whatever I want about infiniti or BMW. Hope this answer your question brother

leomio2.0

Low hanging fruit. It's the only brand that he can compare Acura to that will consistently put Acura on top. I think with Nissan killing off the Maxima, we can kiss any expectation of a Q50RS successor (and TLX-S competitor) good-bye. =(