Speed Guy

It's really all going to come down to price, honestly.

If the Type-S can do mid-4s for an actual sales price of ~$48K before TTL, then it might do some sales. If it's an above 5.0 and you can't get it for less than $50K, well, look for sales to be anemic.

Tony Pac

I don't disagree with you but you cannot compare Nissan Z to Acura TLX. Nissan is worldwide brand and Z is a known sport car across the world. Just in middle east, Nissan brand is Huge. Acura is a NA brand. Most of sales are coming from USA. Even Canadian sales are peanuts. Go to Dubai or Qatar and you will see how big of brand Nissan is.

Even in Europe, most people don't know Acura.

You compare Z to Supra and S200 if Honda one day will bring it back and not Acura TLX.

Speed Guy

Acura says on their website:

The exclusive 3.0-liter V-6 Turbo engine with an estimated 355 HP and 354 lb.-ft. of torque makes the new Type S the quickest Acura sedan ever.

So what was the previous, and that's where this will fit.

pyrodan007

^ RLX hybrid did it in 4.9s, lets see if Acura means gas only sedans or all. In any case, must be 4.8s or less. Critically below 5s.

bilirubin

Acura's previous acceleration king (excluding the NSX) was the RLX Sport Hybrid, did 0-60 in 4.9s, 5-60 in 5.7s, and 1/4-mile in 13.6s.
If the TLX Type S can beat those numbers, than that's a W for Acura.

Tony Pac

Hope it's true but lots of marketing bs also. Not just Acura. All car companies...

bilirubin

I really hope they don't mean Acura's quickest gas-only sedan. That would mean beating the TL Type S (0-60 5.6s, 5-60 6.2s, 1/4-mile 14.3). If the TLX Type S can't beat the Accord's 5.3s 0-60, then all hope is lost.

Tony Pac

You got it.

They can say well, we meant gas. RLX was hybrid lol!

lowgrowl

Acura is a brand for geriatrics in the real world who upgraded from honda ??? That statement has no factual basis. My TL for example is admired and driven by a lot of young and middle aged people alike. I haven't really seen an elderly person driving one.When you take all factors besides only performance into consideration, Honda/ Acura products shine . Also I would never subject myself to deal with the pains of owning a German car both financially and emotionally. Now go on and tell me that BMW's Audi's and Mercedes are just as reliable, it's all the maintenance. LOL yeah right

fiatlux

Per JD Power:
https://www.jdpower.com/cars/expert-...ura-tlx-review

Geriatric might be an exaggeration, but 58 ain't young.

leomio85

Valid point. Though, 203k views is pretty darn low. Even some of the fitness YouTubers I'll peruse get more views than that after a week, and they're all within the US for the most part. Even superficial car channels for casuals like TheStraightPipes gets more views than that in a month. People really don't care as much as people on here would like to think about Acura.

Legend2TL

So I was curious, amazing BMW owners are older but higher income per JD Powers.

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/expert-...model=3-Series


Huh? go figure. Acura buyers are younger than BMW buyers

Tony Pac

Sure. that's true.
But youtube is very tricky.

This video has over 840K views: or over 270K views:
That said, i do agree with you.

leomio85

So, decided to go out today and do some of my own real world testing on my '20 RDX A-Spec. Vehicle has 11k miles, 3 oil changes have been done with Mobil 1 0W-20 and the transmission and differential fluid has been changed @ 10k miles. Tires are the stock ... Goodyears?

About 68*F with low humidity and dry conditions. Test results were done on dry pavement on a service road. Vehicle in Sport+ mode, A/C off, traction disabled, auto-stop/start disabled, crash mitigation disabled. Only I was in the vehicle (210lbs) and the car was driven around until operating temps were reached (approx 20mins or so). Vehicle was launched at 2k RPMs (ECU won't let you rev it higher).

Data was recorded on an iPhone X via GPS. How accurate these things are, I don't know ... but I'm going to say no very, so, take this as you will.

First app I used was 'GPS Race Timer'. It had the most reviews on the App Store and I can't tell you why. It's awful.

First run: 0-60: 7.8s - 1/4 mi: 13.4s (this makes no sense)
Second run: 0-60: 8.1s - 1/4mi: 13.6s (no way it's running this time with that slow of a 0-60)
Third run: 0-60: 6.3s ... I shut it down before hitting the 1/4 mile. Ironically, this was the only run I didn't build RPMs up for.

After looking at this, figure this app is pure trash. Decided to look for another and decided on 'FastR'. Every time was consistent, three runs, no 1/4 times.

0-60: 7.0s dead, every time, 3 test runs. Last one was done without building RPMs like the last app and it was the exact same time.

These were free apps, so I have no idea how accurate they are. Obviously, the first one is trash. If anyone has a better way for me to record 0-60, I'd be open to it. Take this for what you will to gauge how "mighty" this K20C4 actually is in moving a 4,000lb vehicle (similar to what the AWD TLX is going to weigh).

pyrodan007

^Would you happen to have another car to test 0-60 time? Curious to see how close it is to real world with other cars. Good to have some data, just for fun.

leomio85

Hm, how did I miss that one? I saw the other one:


I shall concede this point. Until the Proto Z surpasses it. In a week. Muahahaha.

fiatlux

Get yourself an OBD2 scanner like . Can confirm that this handles refresh rates up to 0.1s. By datalogging the RPMs, you can generate a pretty accurate dynograph using virtualdyno if you have access to a flat road that will let you get to redline in 3rd or 4th gear.

leomio85

Now that you mention it, I should have a DashHawk laying around somewhere. I can't remember if it datalogs 0-60 times, but I know it plugs into the OBDII ... hopefully I can find it.

fiatlux

you just need to data log the time stamp and mph...

Kense

Are these pains of owning a German car hearsay or experience based because Modern German cars don't have anymore issues than an Acura. In fact I see a ton of reliability complaints just on this forum.

fiatlux

When you bring up anecdotal evidence, they say "anecdotes don't matter, show me the data." And when you show them the data, they say "Oh, this doesn't actually mean anything because most of these are just problems with the infotainment system, that kind of stuff doesn't really matter".

So really, no amount of anecdotes or data is going to change any minds.

dmski

I'm getting chills and sweats. If the Type S can't beat Accord numbers, I'm done with this brand FOREVER. Not even joking here. They will be dead to me and will not get a penny more out of my wallet.

fiatlux

There's no way in hell that it'll be slower than the Accord 2.0T. Even if it weighs over 4100lb like I expect, the power-to-weight ratio is far far far superior in the Type-S.

AcuraFan1980

So an rdx is 7 seconds 0-60 in sport mode? Well there goes me wanting that

alpha0

I read theories that Acura needs to neuter output in first 3 gears becuase it will be too much to transfer to rear wheels. I feel they should just have a DRIFT mode where software is tweaked to produce maximum engine output but transfer only what sh-awd can handle to rear and let the rest go to front (let front tires slip somewhat). That way thay can get better 0-60 in drift mode which will be used by many reviewers and in regular driver modes, they can use whatever logic they use now to protect sh-awd.

ZipSpeed

On a good run, my wife's flat-six Outback can do about that. With Acura targeting performance as the house motto, their vehicles sure aren't very performant. Yeah, I know, I know... wait for the reviews.

Starseer

Just curious and covering the bases, what kind of gas were you using?

alpha0

To add, other vehicles in the class with similar power are around 3800 lbs. 3800 to 4000 is about 5% difference, so weight of TLX should not add more than 0.3 seconds or so if we consider just power to weight. So if all the chatter is correct about 0-60 of 6.5 seconds for 2GTLX, additional 1 second is due to choices Acura made.

alpha0

RLX (PAWS) with 10 AT and 310 HP naturally aspirated engine can do 0-60 in 5.8, it weighs about 4000 lbs. So similar weight, same transmission, more low end torque and grip of shawd adds 0.7 sec for 0-60? If that is correct, shame on someone who calls himself or herself an engineer.

leomio85

Dammit, knew there was something I was missing. It's a mix between Mobil and BP 93 Oct. Surprisingly, they're the cheapest around me and both are close to my gym.

So, for sh*ts and giggles, decided to take my po-dunk beater 2001 Monte Carlo SS with 94k miles, 87octane, worn to 4/32" tread tires out to the same stretch and do some 0-60 runs. Using the same app (not the crappy one),

First run: 0-60: 7.85s

Next couple runs I had some traction issues (FWD + crappy old tires) so they were tossed.

Second (usable) run: 7.95s
Third run: 7.95s

So, the app may not be the most accurate, but it does seem to be consistent. Though, there was one time when I had a bad GPS connection and I had a blistering 2.00s 0-60, lol. I'll need to find a decently priced OBDII scanner that reads speed that's compatible with iOS. I already have a scan tool, it just doesn't read speed. Don't want to spend $100 to give weirdos on the internet realistic 0-60 times. FWIW, looking at listed 0-60 times from back in the day, the W-body non-supercharged Monte SS did 0-60 in 7.3s (MotorTrend), 7.5s (MotorWeek) or 8.6s (C&D). I'm pretty sure that during this era, C&D was notorious for having awful 0-60 times. MT and MW would likely be more accurate, which is what the app was showing. So, let's say it's about .5s off. That would put the RDX at right around 6.5s 0-60, which is in line with C&D's 6.6s in it's testing (they've become much more reliable).

Same output, same powertrain, nearly the same weight ... it's going to be a very tough task for the 2G TLX to shave off 0.5s off its 0-60 time. Maybe they retuned the transmission and allowed for boost build up at launch? Doubt it. Honda has been in enough deep water with awful drivetrain components. God forbid they actually make them stout. Nope, have to maximize gas mileage. This is why the area of performance will never be the strong suit of this current line-up of vehicles. It's centered around anything but performance. Even the Type S will have similar components and I will keep reiterating it ... it's not going to meet expectations. Honda probably started blowing diffss and/or clutch packs out the ass with higher output tunes during testing, hence why they reeled in the power. I don't doubt Honda could make a lot more power out of their engine. The new M3 Comp 3.0T is putting out over 500HP, and we know that's underrated.

Preservation of the rest of the powertrain is why I speculate the TLX-S is making an underwhelming 355HP ... and that figure is likely not underrated. Even at 355HP and 354ft lbs, I'm still going to say the figures are going to be even less impressive than the horsepower numbers. There are so many compromises with this vehicle that is based off an economy drivetrain that they're trying to shoehorn a decently powerful engine into. Honda isn't looking to replace a ton of transmissions/differentials as they've done in the past. Don't like it? Buy something else. Honda couldn't care less because at the end of the day, their entire profit margin is shot if they're replacing a transmission on a car under warranty. That seems to be their attitude about the TLX-S. "If they love Honda, they'll buy it ... we're not looking to compete against anyone."

lowgrowl

Go buy a BMW 340i or a Audi S4. Then go ahead and drive the car to 300K+ miles (like my TL) while keeping all the receipts for the work done. Then let's compare the quantity of them and the total amount spent.. Ahem ,I don't think there would be a debate on who would have the larger portfolio. .

AcuraGuy2016

What are the numbers for the current fastest 1G TLX? I think it's the V6 FWD for straight line? 0-60 5.7s. What about 5-60 and 1/4 mile? Do you think the current 1G TLX V6 will be faster than the 2G TLX 2.0T base engine?

fiatlux

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...d-test-review/
5-60: 5.8s (this is actually really good all things considered)
1/4 mile: 14.2 @ 103mph

There is no way the 2.0T is doing 5-60 in 5.8s. It'll be closer to 6.8s than 5.8s.

bilirubin

As per C&D...
TLX V6 FWD: 0-60 5.7s, 5-60 5.8s, 1/4-mile 14.2s
TLX V6 SH-AWD: 0-60 5.7s, 5-60 5.9s, 1/4-mile 14.2s

The 5-60 is only 0.1 to 0.2s slower than the 0-60, which is quite excellent and an advantage of naturally-aspirated engines. This will certainly not be possible with the new TLX, turbo-lag typically adds 0.4 to 2.0s to the 5-60 time. Fortunately the RDX's is a smaller 0.4s discrepancy, and a good sign for the new TLX. The new 2.0T model's 5-60 will likely be in the mid-high 6's, on par with the Honda Odyssey's 6.7s, but quicker than the RDX's 7.0s.

dmski

Considering the added weight and the 4 cyl/turbo combo, I'm saying the 2nd Gen TLX will do 0-to-60 in 6.3 sec which is garbage considering that 1G TLX will spank it. I know people will say, oh the customer that will buy this car don't care about 0-60, I say BS. I know so many people that would not buy a Type S or a Sport sedan but they brag how quick their Accord or Maxima is. Considering the hefty price increase this car should not be going backwards. I'm already predicting that this get will not even reach 1 Gen TLX peak sales.

leomio85

It's already been established that the Type S won't be below $50k. Advance with SH-AWD already starts at $48,300. People on here actually believed it would be in the mid $40k range, what a joke. Type S will likely be ~$53-54k to start.

leomio85

You won't be driving a modern day Acura to 300k miles either. Heck, basically any new car. The electronics packed into these things is what makes them so unreliable. Maybe a Toyota 4Runner/Tacoma will still last that long, but they have infotainment from 2006, so that makes sense, lol.

Tesla1856

Right.

The use of garbage lead-free solder has decreased the reliability of all electronics on all machines.

Interesting that NASA and the US Government are exempt (and have been allowed to continue using real lead-solder all these years) due to safety and reliability requirements. But apparently safety doesn't include vehicles, airplanes, hospital medical equipment, nuclear-plant control electronics, etc. I think parallel redundancy in systems is their only option to compensate.

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2012/0...-tin-whiskers/

I'm guessing Space-X is exempt, but not sure about Tesla vehicles (or if Elon Musk is "cheating" a bit).

Kense

LOL what?!? I had a 2004 TL that died at 140k . Needed a new transmission at 90k then at 139k needed the engine rebuilt. That’s when I got rid of it. You think all Acura’s last 300k? My father 1990 190e Mercedes lasted over 300k . There’s no absolutes with any brand. No modern car is going to automatically last any amount of miles with all the electronics they tie into the car. Because of that I lease anyways and don’t have to deal with all that crap.

fiatlux

The Land Cruiser should be able to last that long because it’s built with a 25 year service life even with rough conditions. These things are darn near impossible to kill; put one on a lift and you can see just how insanely overbuilt them chassis is.

Oh wait, you said modern car :p