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That's a great price. True Car shows the avg price in my area for a Touring is 34K.
Pauly Honda in Libertyville, IL sells any color Touring for $31K, no strings attached. Send them an email through their website and they'll reply with that quote. Literally no pressure or gimmicks.
Not to make excuses, but the V6 was done on a 91*F day, while the 2.0T was done on a 63*F day. They're probably closer than those videos show on the same day.
I am reading his responses to people on the video and its very helpful
"Not bad at all. Plenty of power for daily driving. I do prefer the setup of the FWD. It's quicker at speed, and has a much more lively gas pedal which requires less effort to get going."
" The 3 series isn't "faster". The A4 does have a better 0-60 from launch, but they are very close on trap speeds. Put a passenger in that 3 series, and it will be about 6.3s 0-60, as its 6.4s here with a passenger. Negligible difference. "
Someone wrote not so impressive. His response? "What were your expectations for a family 4 cylinder sedan with a 3800-3900 lbs curb weight?"
Pauly Honda in Libertyville, IL sells any color Touring for $31K, no strings attached. Send them an email through their website and they'll reply with that quote. Literally no pressure or gimmicks.
This is 2.0T Touring? Not bad if for the 2.0T. I'd much rather have a 2020 TLX V6 Tech for it's better seats, audio, and lower road/wind noise, for the same price though.
This is 2.0T Touring? Not bad if for the 2.0T. I'd much rather have a 2020 TLX V6 Tech for it's better seats, audio, and lower road/wind noise, for the same price though.
That downshift lag was brutal in the TSP review, yikes. Other reviewers have also noted lag when using the paddles to downshift. Given that the Type S will basically use the same tranny (just beefed up to handle the extra power) is it safe to assume it will exhibit the same behavior? I have a feeling that the Type S might be just a hair faster than the accord which would be embarrassing for $55K+. Sure, the Type S will have around 80HP more than the regular TLX but it will be even heavier and is that enough to shave a second or more off the 0-60?
I have been itching to replace my 09 Accord coupe 6-6 which I love but it's starting to show it's age and have been eyeing the TLX but so far it's a disappointment. I will reserve my final judgement when the Type S is released. So far it's a little bit of a dud in my view.
I am reading his responses to people on the video and its very helpful
"Not bad at all. Plenty of power for daily driving. I do prefer the setup of the FWD. It's quicker at speed, and has a much more lively gas pedal which requires less effort to get going."
" The 3 series isn't "faster". The A4 does have a better 0-60 from launch, but they are very close on trap speeds. Put a passenger in that 3 series, and it will be about 6.3s 0-60, as its 6.4s here with a passenger. Negligible difference. "
Someone wrote not so impressive. His response? "What were your expectations for a family 4 cylinder sedan with a 3800-3900 lbs curb weight?"
Truth
If this C&D test is correct that passenger needs to be about 700lbs
I am reading his responses to people on the video and its very helpful
"Not bad at all. Plenty of power for daily driving. I do prefer the setup of the FWD. It's quicker at speed, and has a much more lively gas pedal which requires less effort to get going."
" The 3 series isn't "faster". The A4 does have a better 0-60 from launch, but they are very close on trap speeds. Put a passenger in that 3 series, and it will be about 6.3s 0-60, as its 6.4s here with a passenger. Negligible difference. "
Someone wrote not so impressive. His response? "What were your expectations for a family 4 cylinder sedan with a 3800-3900 lbs curb weight?"
Truth
LOL a bunch of non sense and acceptance of mediocrity. People need to demand better out of companies. This is unacceptable.
What is there to be said when you can find BRAND NEW 2020 BMW 540i Xdrive (w convenience package) for 53k brand new (1k miles on the odometer) for 53k ... an all that in Midwest where generally cars are bit more expensive.
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2021 TLX has NOTHING TO HOPE FOR with the deals of this kind...
MilesPerHr on YouTube posted that 6.5s 0-60 time in his video description on his latest TLX review. Someone asked him how that was obtained and this was his reply:
"I didn’t measure the 0-60 personally. This is the estimate from Acura. Time may change in independent tests."
Pauly Honda in Libertyville, IL sells any color Touring for $31K, no strings attached. Send them an email through their website and they'll reply with that quote. Literally no pressure or gimmicks.
Do you know who specifically to contact at Pauly Honda? I am interested in purchasing a Touring 2.0T and sent a message through their website and got a quote back for $33,300
Do you know who specifically to contact at Pauly Honda? I am interested in purchasing a Touring 2.0T and sent a message through their website and got a quote back for $33,300
You might have missed your chance ... too many people who were waiting to see what the TLX was bringing and decided an Accord Touring was a no-brainer. All while being faster to add insult to injury.
On a serious note (though I was being serious, there's nothing that would get me in the TLX 2.0T over the Accord 2.0T, not even the SH-AWD), you have to haggle. Of course they're not going to give you the best price right off the bat. That's cutting into their own money (see: commission) if they give you a deal. The closer they get to selling a car at sticker, the more commission they get.
But let’s expand on that. Assuming Acura made no updates to strengthen the drivetrain, for the SHAWD version I stand by my guess of 0-60 in 6.2, and guess a 5-60 of 6.6 and quarter-mile time of 14.7@97mph. If they did beef up the drivetrain and you can launch it with some gusto and without the ECU pulling power, then I guess 0-60 in 6.0, 5-60 in 6.5, and quarter mile of 14.4@100mph. All times are based on C&D testing procedures. Even with an ideal setup it’s going to be slower than the Accord 2.0T; there’s just no way around the extra weight.
Don’t worry, I’ll bookmark this so we can come back and see whether I’m more Nostradamus or if I’m more Homer Simpson.
Looks like I was right on the money. Nailed the 0-60 time, and off by 0.1 for both the 5-60 and 1/4 mile times, but nailed the trap speed. Keep in mind C&D now subtracts out the 1-ft rollout time, so for the true number you have to add that back in yourself for anything that starts from 0.
I should add: the car might seem slow (OK it is slow by the numbers), but I'm actually satisfied with it. Why? Because it met my expectations to a tee. I said it would drive better than the numbers would suggest, which it does, and it performed exactly how I expected it to. The only thing I'm disappointed about is the transmission lag/delay at low speeds, and the lousy tires; those were things I wasn't anticipating. So while it may seem like I'm gloating about how "bad" this car is, trust that I'm actually pretty satisfied with how it turned out. I must emphasize that it's still a very good car that's fun to drive and handles well even if it's objectively slow, but since I never expected it to be fast (because unlike some wishful thinkers I used logic and reason to inform my expectations), overall I still like it.
You have to look at this car through a special lens, just like how you have to look at the ILX with the right perspective. For the ILX, if you go in expecting a premium (not even luxury) experience, it's a mega-fail, but if you look at it as a nicer 9G Civic Si with a DCT and leather, it hits the spot. Similarly, if you look at the TLX expecting it to be a performance-oriented sports sedan that Acura hyped it up to be (shame on you Acura marketing), you're going to be disappointed, but if you go in looking for something that looks good inside and out, has great steering feel, has a great AWD system, and is quiet and comfortable to drive on a daily basis, then it's a solid choice.
I'm seriously getting the feeling that there's some inconsistencies with the build of these cars. Some reviews show pretty bad responsiveness, others don't. And the 0-60 times are all over the place. AoA claims 5.7s, C&D is 6.2s w/ rollout, and MT is 7.0s. I have half a mind to go back to try a different car to see if I get the same bad lag I got on my first test drive.
Just wait for the numbers and reviews. This is a performance sedan we are talking about, it'll be closer to sedan numbers not an odyssey lol... We don't know how the power is being put to the wheels yet. We don't know how the transmission is tuned, how the engine is tuned, or how the SH-AWD system is tuned yet. The weight and HP numbers won't tell us everything as there are many other factors to consider such as how the weight is distributed.
Lest I forget this gem: oh esteemed gatekeeper, do we have permission to start discussing the times now that the the numbers and reviews are out?
And since you brought up the Odyssey...the TLX is a scant 0.1s faster 5-60 than the Odyssey, and 0.4s faster 0-60. Perplexingly, it's actually slower 30-50 (3.5s vs 3.7s) and 50-70 (4.1s vs 4.7s) even though they both come with the same 10AT, so you can't even argue that it's because of all the extra gears it has to downshift through. So...do you still want to stick with your stance that this isn't going to be a close match to the Odyssey in straight-line performance?
I'm seriously getting the feeling that there's some inconsistencies with the build of these cars. Some reviews show pretty bad responsiveness, others don't. And the 0-60 times are all over the place. AoA claims 5.7s, C&D is 6.2s w/ rollout, and MT is 7.0s. I have half a mind to go back to try a different car to see if I get the same bad lag I got on my first test drive.
They probably gave C&D the tuned one since they heard us all referencing C&D the most for 0-60 times.
And I think AoA simply pulled that number out of a hat. Strangely, it's what was expected of the early RDX to run, and also what this new TLX was expected to run by C&D.
Oh, I am not done with my victory tour just yet. Gracious winner is a phrase that's not in my vocabulary.
Originally Posted by lowgrowl
Taking everything into consideration, my thought out guess is 5.2 -5.3. .
Originally Posted by lowgrowl
Originally Posted by pyrodan007
The Giulia weighs 3600 lbs (about 400 less than TLX) and has more torque (306 vs 280). And yet the TLX will be faster than the Giulia (5.5s from C&D), and as fast as the lighter and DCT equipped A4 (5.2). The TLX has more weight and more gears so I doubt it very much your time will be reality.
Let's just see what happens. I suspect a lot of you guys on this thread are German car owners with a axe to grind with Acura. Maybe I'm wrong about my prediction. But if I'm right, talk about embarrassment. And.since your so sure it won't, what is your prediction ?
Next time, just believe what I say the first time around. It'll save you the heartache and embarrassment of being so very very wrong. I'm (usually) not full of crap, I promise. Sometimes, arrogance is undeserved, but in my case, naw it is very much deserved.
And to all that are wondering, yes, I am indeed a loser who bookmarks posts just to go back and reference them later, because I'm petty like that. I've still got a bunch queued up ready to go when yours truly is proven right on the Type-S as well. After all, there's nothing more important in life than making sure random Internet strangers know that you are right and they are wrong.
You actually don't need to account for the 1-ft roll out for all the previous tests. As per Car and Driver, "the industry standard calls for a one-foot rollout before a timed run begins. Our old test equipment couldn't measure that precisely, so we approximated a foot by beginning our runs at 3 mph....Obviously, this affects the elapsed time, sometimes by as much as 0.3 second. Our testing now adopts the industry-standard one-foot rollout."
2.0T SH-AWD 0-60 in 6.0-6.2s
2.0T FWD 0-60 in 5.8-6.0s
Type-S 0-60 in 5.0-5.3s
I have no faith that Honda won’t dial power back in low gears and put other measures in place to preserve the drivetrain from breaking under hard launches. The SH-AWD is first and foremost built around gas mileage, not launch performance. Not even in the least. It might do well around turns and inclement weather, but it’s not built to be stout.
You actually don't need to account for the 1-ft roll out for all the previous tests. As per Car and Driver, "the industry standard calls for a one-foot rollout before a timed run begins. Our old test equipment couldn't measure that precisely, so we approximated a foot by beginning our runs at 3 mph....Obviously, this affects the elapsed time, sometimes by as much as 0.3 second. Our testing now adopts the industry-standard one-foot rollout."
Do you know who specifically to contact at Pauly Honda? I am interested in purchasing a Touring 2.0T and sent a message through their website and got a quote back for $33,300
33,300 is actually pretty good but it's not 31,000. We reset into a new month - maybe they don't pull the low numbers out until you get near the end of the month or quarter.
The TLX base-spec (SH-AWD) is only a little lighter than the current RDX, so I'd say 0-60 in 6.2s, and 1/4-mile of 15.0s.
Just enough to beat the new Honda Odyssey (but I'm not so sure about 5-60, the Odyssey's 5-60 time is 0.3s faster than the current RDX, and just 0.2s slower than the Mercedes GLE 43 AMG). So in the real world, don't be surprised if you see an Odyssey pull on the TLX 2.0T A-spec.
I stand corrected and glad to do it! Although the 5-60 is only 0.2s slower than the Odyssey. So the minivan could still hang with the TLX in the real world. The TLX's numbers are pretty good, quicker than the Mercedes C300 sedan (pre-MMC). And the 5-60 is just 0.1s slower than the much lighter and more powerful BMW X2 M35i.
Now for the Type S, I'm sticking with my previous estimate (0-60 of 4.6s, and 1/4-mile of 13.2s).
That downshift lag was brutal in the TSP review, yikes. Other reviewers have also noted lag when using the paddles to downshift. Given that the Type S will basically use the same tranny (just beefed up to handle the extra power) is it safe to assume it will exhibit the same behavior? I have a feeling that the Type S might be just a hair faster than the accord which would be embarrassing for $55K+. Sure, the Type S will have around 80HP more than the regular TLX but it will be even heavier and is that enough to shave a second or more off the 0-60?
I have been itching to replace my 09 Accord coupe 6-6 which I love but it's starting to show it's age and have been eyeing the TLX but so far it's a disappointment. I will reserve my final judgement when the Type S is released. So far it's a little bit of a dud in my view.
Type S may be the same, same tranny just stronger gears, added 20 inch wheels, bbk in the front and a V6 engine weight may be around 4200-4300 since the awd advanced 4k lbs already. 0-60 may be around 5.9 who knows.
Seems 0-60 numbers are all over the place. Motortrend stated the following:
"Acceleration to 60 mph took 7.0 seconds for our intensely blue TLX A-Spec all-wheel-drive test car, which is off the pace of a rear-drive Genesis G70 2.0T (6.2 seconds), all-wheel-drive Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.0T (5.2 seconds), and all-wheel-drive BMW 330i (5.5 seconds). Moving up a segment in size, our rear-drive 2017 BMW 530i long-term car reached 60 mph in 6.2 seconds. The truth is that many drivers will find the TLX's acceleration perfectly adequate. The issue comes when you know others are quicker in a class with many options."
Type S may be the same, same tranny just stronger gears, added 20 inch wheels, bbk in the front and a V6 engine weight may be around 4200-4300 since the awd advanced 4k lbs already. 0-60 may be around 5.9 who knows.
Off topic,
I think I saw your TL at a Heckscher State Park meet MANY years ago. I remember the comptech supercharger with Ronjon wheels.
LOL a bunch of non sense and acceptance of mediocrity. People need to demand better out of companies. This is unacceptable.
These stupid 4 cylinder turbos are killing actual usable performance vs the previous V6, especially in passing acceleration. The stupid city fuel economy tests keep the turbos out of boost giving deceptively high city fuel economy readings, while the previous NA fuel economy tests were much more realistic.
I think I saw your TL at a Heckscher State Park meet MANY years ago. I remember the comptech supercharger with Ronjon wheels.
Helll yeah that was me, I miss that car lol the supercharger really performed. That was like 12 years ago, after some grey hair and slowing down it's time for some real power again. I'm debating heavy on the Type S, Acura always hype things up and when it comes out it’s like what happened. BMW quoted me 620 all in for a fully loaded 330i so I’m thinking if I wait around until December it will go down, plus it will get a Dinan flash lol. I have an aspec on hold for now it's supposed to be coming third week in October so if I change my mind I’ll just cancel it. I have my RDX reflashed with Ktuner and it moves buttttt top end is not what everyone thinks. My Aspec top end was insane after all I did to it, the RDX has a ton of torque after the reflash driving around the city or merging, after you get past 60 it feels like a good 4 cyl engine not a turbo one. I’m sure if I do an intake, downpipe, flex fuel upgrades things will change.
Seems 0-60 numbers are all over the place. Motortrend stated the following:
"Acceleration to 60 mph took 7.0 seconds for our intensely blue TLX A-Spec all-wheel-drive test car, which is off the pace of a rear-drive Genesis G70 2.0T (6.2 seconds), all-wheel-drive Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.0T (5.2 seconds), and all-wheel-drive BMW 330i (5.5 seconds). Moving up a segment in size, our rear-drive 2017 BMW 530i long-term car reached 60 mph in 6.2 seconds. The truth is that many drivers will find the TLX's acceleration perfectly adequate. The issue comes when you know others are quicker in a class with many options."
Numbers are ranging from 5.7-7.0 for the SH-AWD. That's a significant difference.
7 seconds for a $50k performance sedan is terrible. If true I have zero interest whatsoever in this vehicle. The 2018-2020 V6 AWD did 0-60 in 5.8s with very good passing power.
7 seconds is BASE Accord and Lexus RX territory!! I intentionally did NOT get a Lexus RX since we thought 7s was WAY TOO SLOW for an upscale FAMILY SUV that cost $50k plus.
Last year we ruled out 2019 RDX since its performance sucked, the road noise was terrible, and we hated the track pad. Instead we bought a new MDX Sport Hybrid that is a dream to drive and performs in every way.
Heck the V6 Lexus ES 350 does 0-60 in 6s from multiple tests.
Last edited by AcuraGuy2016; 10-01-2020 at 08:32 AM.
Type S may be the same, same tranny just stronger gears, added 20 inch wheels, bbk in the front and a V6 engine weight may be around 4200-4300 since the awd advanced 4k lbs already. 0-60 may be around 5.9 who knows.
That would be pathetic for a Type-S. Anything over 5s is unacceptable for a Type-S model as the Accord 2.0T does it in 5.3s according to the long term test that C&D did:
That would be pathetic for a Type-S. Anything over 5s is unacceptable for a Type-S model as the Accord 2.0T does it in 5.3s according to the long term test that C&D did:
The Honda Odyssey Family MINIVAN does 0-60 just under 7s!! Both the Honda Pilot Family SUV and Honda Passport totally cream this new $50k Acura in actual performance acceleration!!!!
Heck the new Subaru Outback XT Touring Wagon with a CVT has 0-60 in the mid 6s range!!!!
The Honda Odyssey Family MINIVAN does 0-60 just under 7s!! Both the Honda Pilot Family SUV and Honda Passport totally cream this new $50k Acura in actual performance acceleration!!!!
Heck the new Subaru Outback XT Touring Wagon with a CVT has 0-60 in the mid 6s range!!!!
Major mistake by Acura, should have beefed up AWD system to accept all the torque at launch. Make it Acura exclusive to nail 0-60 times, use the less intense system in Honda crossovers to keep performance in tiers. They need to change their philosophy, can't be a brand of compromise forever, price is already over the tipping point.
Last edited by pyrodan007; 10-01-2020 at 09:02 AM.
If Google can change their target market (Pixel 5 is now a mid-tiered device, instead of a high end device) Acura can TOO.
Hopefully sales numbers will humble them
funny how the acura proponents are changing their tune.
The more I read the more I'm happy with my 2020 1G TLX V6. It actually performs and the usable interior and cargo space of the vehicle is commensurate to its exterior size.
I don't get Acura. The bring out this expensive large vehicle, but its usable space is no better than the previous smaller cheaper vehicle and actual performance is worse!! Yet it is much more expensive.
I MUCH prefer low profile (good looking but not attention grabbing) vehicles that deliver actual real performance than flashy cars that look like they perform but actually don't. I have ZERO interest in vehicles like that.
Last edited by AcuraGuy2016; 10-01-2020 at 09:23 AM.
If Google can change their target market (Pixel 5 is now a mid-tiered device, instead of a high end device) Acura can TOO.
Hopefully sales numbers will humble them
I've been a loyal Acura owner for years. I can afford German but I specifically shopped Acura as I wanted better more real actual performance and more driver oriented vehicle than a Lexus, but wanted better value and reliability than German, even if less of a drivers car than German, while still notably better all-around (performance, audio quality, road/wind noise, seat comfort, materials) than any mainstream vehicle, even if not quite that of German or Lexus for upscale superficial materials.
I have no interest whatsoever in this new TLX.
I current own a 2019 Acura MDX Sport Hybrid and a 2020 Acura TLX V6 Tech.
I LOVE the MDX Sport Hybrid and would have EASILY bought an RLX Sport Hybrid had Acura just used the same infotainment that is in current MDX and used the same adaptive suspension and IDS drive modes in the MDX Sport Hybrid. The super soft suspension and dinosaur infotainment killed a vehicle I probably would have loved for years.
Last edited by AcuraGuy2016; 10-01-2020 at 09:24 AM.
I've been a loyal Acura owner for years. I can afford German but I specifically shopped Acura as I wanted better more real actual performance and more driver oriented vehicle than a Lexus, but wanted better value and reliability than German, even if less of a drivers car than German, while still notably better all-around (performance, audio quality, road/wind noise, seat comfort, materials) than any mainstream sedan, even if not quite that of German or Lexus for upscale superficial materials.
I have no interest whatsoever in this new TLX.
I current own a 2019 Acura MDX Sport Hybrid and a 2020 Acura TLX V6 Tech. I would have EASILY bought an RLX Sport Hybrid had Acura just used the same infotainment that is in current MDX and used the same adaptive suspension and IDS drive modes in the MDX Sport Hybrid. The super soft suspension and dinosaur infotainment killed a vehicle I probably would have loved for years.
I think what we are witnessing is new Acura, which is the same as old Acura. That is, this car has more mainstream appeal than enthusiast appeal, no matter what their marketing department would lead you to believe or what this car looks like. “Beat That” is no different from “That Kind of Thrill”.
Regular buyers are going to look at the car inside and out, and still buy it because the performance is “good enough” for them. Enthusiasts or people with more discerning tastes will have to look elsewhere; this is not the car for us. Which is fine; Acura needs a money maker. But this absolutely does not live up to the performance hype, and crossovers are their moneymakers, not sedans. We’ve all been had by their empty promises.
I think what we are witnessing is new Acura, which is the same as old Acura. That is, this car has more mainstream appeal than enthusiast appeal, no matter what their marketing department would lead you to believe. “Beat That” is no different from “That Kind of Thrill”.
I'm probably more "upscale/premium mainstream" and "less enthusiast" than most here. I have NO interest in this expensive low performing vehicle.
I prefer "sleeper" vehicles that are good values for what they are and actually perform. I'm not a flashy person.
I'm probably more "upscale/premium mainstream" and "less enthusiast" than most here. I have NO interest in this expensive low performing vehicle.
I prefer "sleeper" vehicles that are good values for what they are and actually perform. I'm not a flashy person.
Volvo is the ticket. They’re elegant but not flashy, and nobody, absolutely nobody, expects these to be fast but (especially the hybrid models) they will blow the doors off most cars from a roll or from a stop.
09-26-2020, 07:04 PM
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