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#201
Burning Brakes
Huh ?
Well, $45k is not $50k (and $50k is not $60k) . And who evaluates cars prices on monthly payments (and is that 5 years or 7)?
The best Accord (with 2.0T, leather seats, NAV, and HUD) is $36k . Most nice (non premium) sedans are around $35k now-days. I know, it's crazy.
The 2021 TLX FWD is $37k .
But who really wants FWD on 18-inch wheels , no real leather, no on-board NAV, etc. on their new TLX ?
Even Acura knows "Tech Package" will be sales-leader. So for all that and SH-AWD, add $6,000 and you are at $43,000 .
But I do agree , it starts high for what it is. And by the time you equip it nicely ... you are in a segment where you have other choices.
Well, $45k is not $50k (and $50k is not $60k) . And who evaluates cars prices on monthly payments (and is that 5 years or 7)?
The best Accord (with 2.0T, leather seats, NAV, and HUD) is $36k . Most nice (non premium) sedans are around $35k now-days. I know, it's crazy.
The 2021 TLX FWD is $37k .
But who really wants FWD on 18-inch wheels , no real leather, no on-board NAV, etc. on their new TLX ?
Even Acura knows "Tech Package" will be sales-leader. So for all that and SH-AWD, add $6,000 and you are at $43,000 .
But I do agree , it starts high for what it is. And by the time you equip it nicely ... you are in a segment where you have other choices.
#202
Burning Brakes
Where are these (properly-maintained, single-owner, never wrecked) premium sedans selling for cheap, that you trust to be driven kinda hard and still be reliable (not a money pit)?
And unless you have $30k CASH lying around, how do you borrow that much money affordably ? (ie, the used car loan)
Just wondering.
And unless you have $30k CASH lying around, how do you borrow that much money affordably ? (ie, the used car loan)
Just wondering.
If you have a decent job you can get a loan for that with no problem. How do I know? I was approved by my credit union for a nice sized loan for a car. I'd rather invest my own cash money and use the banks to pay for a depreciating toy.
#203
Burning Brakes
That's what I'm asking ... where do they go?
The Lessee is not buying-out at end-of-lease. So, doesn't the Lessor (ie, Honda Financial or Audi Financial Services) get them back ?
I'm guessing they have their dealers re-sell them as used CPO (at a good profit) ... but I don't know for sure. Do you ?
The Lessee is not buying-out at end-of-lease. So, doesn't the Lessor (ie, Honda Financial or Audi Financial Services) get them back ?
I'm guessing they have their dealers re-sell them as used CPO (at a good profit) ... but I don't know for sure. Do you ?
#204
That's what I'm asking ... where do they go?
The Lessee is not buying-out at end-of-lease. So, doesn't the Lessor (ie, Honda Financial or Audi Financial Services) get them back ?
I'm guessing they have their dealers re-sell them as used CPO (at a good profit) ... but I don't know for sure. Do you ?
The Lessee is not buying-out at end-of-lease. So, doesn't the Lessor (ie, Honda Financial or Audi Financial Services) get them back ?
I'm guessing they have their dealers re-sell them as used CPO (at a good profit) ... but I don't know for sure. Do you ?
#205
Burning Brakes
#206
[QUOTE=pyrodan007;16629762]The Giulia weighs 3600 lbs (about 400 less than TLX) and has more torque (306 vs 280). And yet the TLX will be faster than the Giulia (5.5s from C&D), and as fast as the lighter and DCT equipped A4 (5.2). The TLX has more weight and more gears so I doubt it very much your time will be reality.[/QUE]
Let's just see what happens. I suspect a lot of you guys on this thread are German car owners with a axe to grind with Acura. Maybe I'm wrong about my prediction. But if I'm right, talk about embarrassment. And.since your so sure it won't, what is your prediction ?
Let's just see what happens. I suspect a lot of you guys on this thread are German car owners with a axe to grind with Acura. Maybe I'm wrong about my prediction. But if I'm right, talk about embarrassment. And.since your so sure it won't, what is your prediction ?
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#207
I guess if we're making outlandish moonshot predictions, I'll predict that the new TLX will be able to pull over 1G on the skidpad because reasons. Wouldn't it be embarrassing if Acura calls this a sports sedan and it can't even pull 1G?
#208
Burning Brakes
[QUOTE=lowgrowl;16629851]
Specs and educated comparison from similar models. Why 5.2-5.3s? How did you calculate a 0.1 sec variance? Because Accord ... try again.
The Giulia weighs 3600 lbs (about 400 less than TLX) and has more torque (306 vs 280). And yet the TLX will be faster than the Giulia (5.5s from C&D), and as fast as the lighter and DCT equipped A4 (5.2). The TLX has more weight and more gears so I doubt it very much your time will be reality.[/QUE]
Let's just see what happens. I suspect a lot of you guys on this thread are German car owners with a axe to grind with Acura. Maybe I'm wrong about my prediction. But if I'm right, talk about embarrassment. And.since your so sure it won't, what is your prediction ?
Let's just see what happens. I suspect a lot of you guys on this thread are German car owners with a axe to grind with Acura. Maybe I'm wrong about my prediction. But if I'm right, talk about embarrassment. And.since your so sure it won't, what is your prediction ?
Last edited by pyrodan007; 09-16-2020 at 01:54 PM.
#209
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The TLX has more weight and more gears so I doubt it very much your time will be reality.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 09-16-2020 at 02:29 PM.
#210
Burning Brakes
2) TLX has 10 gears, others have 7 or 8 in transmission. So mysterious ...
Last edited by pyrodan007; 09-16-2020 at 02:32 PM.
#211
AZ Community Team
FWIW, F=ma, integrate a (acceleration) over time to get velocity. For ICE, a is not a constant. Not rocket science but high school physics and calculus, hence the reason many high schools let students use EV's for their Classical Mechanics homework
To figure it all out you need to know the torque curve of the engine, gear ratios of the drivetrain, wheel/tire size to calculate the force on the tires and hence acceleration of the vehicle.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 09-16-2020 at 02:40 PM.
#212
Burning Brakes
Again your statement makes no sense.
FWIW, F=ma, integrate a over time to get velocity. Not rocket science bu high school physics and calculus.
To figure it all out you need to know the torque of the engine, gear ratios of the drivetrain, wheel/tire size to calculate the force on the tires and hence acceleration of the vehicle.
FWIW, F=ma, integrate a over time to get velocity. Not rocket science bu high school physics and calculus.
To figure it all out you need to know the torque of the engine, gear ratios of the drivetrain, wheel/tire size to calculate the force on the tires and hence acceleration of the vehicle.
#213
AZ Community Team
That's why you need to look at the data and specifications, to understand the translation from engine torque to force at the tires which translates to acceleration and over time that integrates to velocity.
#214
AZ Community Team
FWIW one of favorite 70's cars is a Porsche 930 which did 0-60 MPH in 4.9s and 13.7s 104 MPG 1/4 mile, with a 4MT and 261HP/291ftlb turbo flat six and 4MT
A 1978 Honda Accord which did 0-60 in 14s and got 28/34MPG and in 2020 Accord does 0-60MPH in ~5.5s and 14.1 102MPG 1/4 and gets 27/34MPG despite weighting 1.7x more and is so far far far more safer
Pretty F'ing amazing modern vehicle engineering.....
Still today probably far easier to get laid in the 930 whaletail than either Accord
A 1978 Honda Accord which did 0-60 in 14s and got 28/34MPG and in 2020 Accord does 0-60MPH in ~5.5s and 14.1 102MPG 1/4 and gets 27/34MPG despite weighting 1.7x more and is so far far far more safer
Pretty F'ing amazing modern vehicle engineering.....
Still today probably far easier to get laid in the 930 whaletail than either Accord
Last edited by Legend2TL; 09-16-2020 at 03:20 PM.
#215
Burning Brakes
^^ Hopefully by next week will get a definitive answer from at least one review
#216
FWIW one of favorite 70's cars is a Porsche 930 which did 0-60 MPH in 4.9s and 13.7s 104 MPG 1/4 mile, with a 4MT and 261HP/291ftlb turbo flat six and 4MT
A 1978 Honda Accord which did 0-60 in 14s and got 28/34MPG and in 2020 Accord does 0-60MPH in ~5.5s and 14.1 102MPG 1/4 and gets 27/34MPG despite weighting 1.7x more and is so far far far more safer
Pretty F'ing amazing modern vehicle engineering.....
Still today probably far easier to get laid in the 930 whaletail than either Accord
A 1978 Honda Accord which did 0-60 in 14s and got 28/34MPG and in 2020 Accord does 0-60MPH in ~5.5s and 14.1 102MPG 1/4 and gets 27/34MPG despite weighting 1.7x more and is so far far far more safer
Pretty F'ing amazing modern vehicle engineering.....
Still today probably far easier to get laid in the 930 whaletail than either Accord
#217
Burning Brakes
That's what I'm asking ... where do they go?
The Lessee is not buying-out at end-of-lease. So, doesn't the Lessor (ie, Honda Financial or Audi Financial Services) get them back ?
I'm guessing they have their dealers re-sell them as used CPO (at a good profit) ... but I don't know for sure. Do you ?
The Lessee is not buying-out at end-of-lease. So, doesn't the Lessor (ie, Honda Financial or Audi Financial Services) get them back ?
I'm guessing they have their dealers re-sell them as used CPO (at a good profit) ... but I don't know for sure. Do you ?
#218
AZ Community Team
I helped him install a better Clarion stereo and Pioneer speakers than stock, wonder if that helped?.....
#219
Three Wheelin'
Actually, someone does know exactly what they are and you have to ask why they’re not revealing those figures. For a company that’s once again (supposedly) focused on performance NOT to reveal performance figures for its flagship “sports sedan” at the 11th hour (more like 11:59) must seem odd to even the casual observer.
#220
AZ Community Team
Actually, someone does know exactly what they are and you have to ask why they’re not revealing those figures. For a company that’s once again (supposedly) focused on performance NOT to reveal performance figures for its flagship “sports sedan” at the 11th hour (more like 11:59) must seem odd to even the casual observer.
https://hondanews.com/en-US
#221
Three Wheelin'
Because Honda/Acura has traditionally not released performance figures, few exceptions HondaJet, NSX and Civic Type-R. Even Honda sport motorcycles don't have performance figures.
https://hondanews.com/en-US
https://hondanews.com/en-US
Edit: A company that’s serious about performance wouldn’t focus their PR campaign on the stereo system and offer zero information about the actual performance capabilities of the car. I don’t have a problem with Acura being proud of their stereo system. But if that’s the best thing about this car, then don’t make “focus on performance” the backbone of your campaign. Make it all about the sound system.
Last edited by SebringSilver; 09-16-2020 at 04:35 PM.
#222
Because Honda/Acura has traditionally not released performance figures, few exceptions HondaJet, NSX and Civic Type-R. Even Honda sport motorcycles don't have performance figures.
https://hondanews.com/en-US
https://hondanews.com/en-US
#223
AZ Community Team
So if they just keep doing what tradition dictates, why go hybrid with the NSX? Why innovate at all? You can’t just cite tradition as a reason for not doing what it takes to reach your objectives which in this case is to convince the car buying public that you’re serious about performance again (those are Acura’s words, not mine).
Edit: A company that’s serious about performance wouldn’t focus their PR campaign on the stereo system and offer zero information about the actual performance capabilities of the car. I don’t have a problem with Acura being proud of their stereo system. But if that’s the best thing about this car, then don’t make “focus on performance” the backbone of your campaign. Make it all about the sound system.
Edit: A company that’s serious about performance wouldn’t focus their PR campaign on the stereo system and offer zero information about the actual performance capabilities of the car. I don’t have a problem with Acura being proud of their stereo system. But if that’s the best thing about this car, then don’t make “focus on performance” the backbone of your campaign. Make it all about the sound system.
Publishing or not publishing a few acceleration data has zero implication on whether a car has performance aspirations.
That task has already been done by the engineers and designers who will face the final test be critiqued by the reviewers and ultimately if the public buys more than the prior model.
Being serious about performance is clearly documented well in the 2G NSX press kit. In a few weeks the 2G TLX will be released with I guessing all sorts of technical data like the NSX illustrates.
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...nsx-press-kit#
I must say, four unique performance parameters.
Does anyone tell their neighbors or friends they bought a IS300 with a Cd of 0.28?
Fun fact, typical F1 car looks pretty sleek with it's sleek dart like shape actually have a Cd of 0.7-1.0 not very efficient aero drag but extremely efficient at creating downforce.
Biggest contributor is the open tires whose top surface is going twice the velocity of car, creates the majority of drag.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 09-16-2020 at 06:37 PM.
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#225
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#226
Hard to sell ones go to dealer auction too. My friend has a dealer license as he sells cars as a side business. Lots of manuals wind up there because it's just so hard. He picked up a sweet M240i for himself for cheap. Apparently they were so hard to sell used because enthusiasts who prefer manuals just end up buying an M2.
#227
Burning Brakes
Mark it up to retail and try to sell it.
But if it doesn't sell, you would think they would just knock thousands off the price, instead of giving-up and auctioning it off.
#228
FWIW, the new TLX 2.0T engine code is K20C6, which differs from the RDX (K20C4). We'll soon find out what's been upgraded.
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#229
There’s hope yet that maybe Acura is underrating the power numbers. Might as well go big and dream about it having the TD04 that the K20C1 gets. The K20C4 runs out of steam at the top end, something that doesn’t happen to the C1 thanks to the larger turbo.
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I highly doubt it will have the CTR turbo man. It's a heavy near luxury sports sedan. I think the focus is for minimal turbo lag, good low to mid range torque, and that's about it. But it's definitely interesting. Both the Accord 2.0T and RDX, despite having different power ratings, have the K20C4. So I wonder what changes there are for Honda to use a different engine code.
#232
Motor trend is already showing 0-60 of 6.5s on their website. That is in line with the 3G RDX and is A LOT SLOWER than the 1G TLX V6. I think that did 60 in 5.7-5.8s. It is a little faster than the 4 cyl 1G but MUCH SLOWER than the 1G V6.
I really hope they dont cheap out with road noise.
I really hope they dont cheap out with road noise.
#233
Motor trend is already showing 0-60 of 6.5s on their website. That is in line with the 3G RDX and is A LOT SLOWER than the 1G TLX V6. I think that did 60 in 5.7-5.8s. It is a little faster than the 4 cyl 1G but MUCH SLOWER than the 1G V6.
I really hope they dont cheap out with road noise.
I really hope they dont cheap out with road noise.
MotorTrend estimates the 2021 TLX 0-60-mph time at about 6.5 seconds for 2.0T models... The TLX Type S 0-60 time could be as quick as 4.5 seconds.
- Motor Trend 2021 Acura TLX Buyer's Guide
- Motor Trend 2021 Acura TLX Buyer's Guide
#234
Motor trend is already showing 0-60 of 6.5s on their website. That is in line with the 3G RDX and is A LOT SLOWER than the 1G TLX V6. I think that did 60 in 5.7-5.8s. It is a little faster than the 4 cyl 1G but MUCH SLOWER than the 1G V6.
I really hope they dont cheap out with road noise.
I really hope they dont cheap out with road noise.
#235
I believe even if both TLX's end up putting down great numbers and getting great reviews, people will still come up with ridiculous reasons to say it sucks. I just can't figure out the way people think. This thread has been an exercise in negativity. Not one person has said a positive thing. Unbelievable !!!. .
#236
AZ Community Team
I highly doubt it will have the CTR turbo man. It's a heavy near luxury sports sedan. I think the focus is for minimal turbo lag, good low to mid range torque, and that's about it. But it's definitely interesting. Both the Accord 2.0T and RDX, despite having different power ratings, have the K20C4. So I wonder what changes there are for Honda to use a different engine code.
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#238
Instructor
I believe even if both TLX's end up putting down great numbers and getting great reviews, people will still come up with ridiculous reasons to say it sucks. I just can't figure out the way people think. This thread has been an exercise in negativity. Not one person has said a positive thing. Unbelievable !!!. .
#239
Burning Brakes
I believe even if both TLX's end up putting down great numbers and getting great reviews, people will still come up with ridiculous reasons to say it sucks. I just can't figure out the way people think. This thread has been an exercise in negativity. Not one person has said a positive thing. Unbelievable !!!. .
#240
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I believe even if both TLX's end up putting down great numbers and getting great reviews, people will still come up with ridiculous reasons to say it sucks. I just can't figure out the way people think. This thread has been an exercise in negativity. Not one person has said a positive thing. Unbelievable !!!. .
Now, take a look at the Proto Z and how many views it got in just two days.
This is more views than the TLX reveal video got 3 months ago as well. This from a company that some on here think is dead and nobody in their right mind would purchase. Members on here seem to think Acura is a renowned brand with performance pedigree in its veins. Most people in the real world look at Acura as a brand for geriatrics who upgraded from Honda and do 10MPH under the speed limit.
My 5yr plan isn't as bad as I had imagined, but plans for a new car have gotten pushed back a couple years. Heck, we'll see what magic the ///M division could do on the pig nose of the new G80 M3 on Sept 23. Maybe pick up a lightly used one in 4-5yrs if I can bare to look at it (and issues don't start cropping up with the S58 platform).
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