lowgrowl

Anyone have any predictions for the new TLX base and Type S ?

bilirubin

The TLX base-spec (SH-AWD) is only a little lighter than the current RDX, so I'd say 0-60 in 6.2s, and 1/4-mile of 15.0s.
Just enough to beat the new Honda Odyssey (but I'm not so sure about 5-60, the Odyssey's 5-60 time is 0.3s faster than the current RDX, and just 0.2s slower than the Mercedes GLE 43 AMG). So in the real world, don't be surprised if you see an Odyssey pull on the TLX 2.0T A-spec.

The TLX Type S will likely weight around 4200lbs, giving it a similar power-to-weight ratio as the BMW 540i or a Mercedes GLC 43 AMG. So I'm guessing a 0-60 of 4.6s, and 1/4-mile of 13.2s.
It's just too heavy to compete with the likes of the Audi S4 or BMW M340i, but it will be competitive with their SUV-counterparts (SQ5, X3 M40i).

lowgrowl

Your saying that the base 2.0 is going to be slower than the accord ? The accord does it in the mid 5's. I had it pegged for about 5 seconds. Especially with the AWD. To me that would be a great disappointment if your right and it turns out to be that slow. Especially in a 40k + car

bilirubin

The Accord is about 650lbs lighter than the TLX 2.0T SH-AWD with essentially the same engine. Car & Driver got a 5.3s 0-60 on the Accord long-term test. So yes, it's pretty much impossible for the 2.0T TLX SH-AWD to beat an Accord.

Tony Pac

Tbh, just wait. No one knows yet and it’s all speculations. You will get your answer in the next 2 weeks.

lowgrowl

I don't know. It just seems outrageous to think the car will be that slow. And the engine has about 20 more hp and different tuning. I just pray that you're wrong. How embarrassing for Acura for if the TLX turns out to be slower than the accord. It's almost hilarious

justnspace

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there are many many threads on the same subject.

you're just rehashing the same subject but worded differently.

loki

Accord 2.0T 10AT can easily get to 60 in 5.5 and with decent tires, close to flat 5. As someone mentioned, C&D officially got it to 60 in 5.3.

There's no scenario where TLX 2.0T will get below 6 seconds with that much weight. Just not going to happen, even with SH-AWD. TLX FWD is 750 lbs heavier than the Accord, SH-AWD is nearly a thousand lbs. That's like having 3 grown men in the Accord (in addition to the driver of course).

Science.

Jiten Patel

Just wait for the numbers and reviews. This is a performance sedan we are talking about, it'll be closer to sedan numbers not an odyssey lol... We don't know how the power is being put to the wheels yet. We don't know how the transmission is tuned, how the engine is tuned, or how the SH-AWD system is tuned yet. The weight and HP numbers won't tell us everything as there are many other factors to consider such as how the weight is distributed.

pyrodan007

A heavier car is still a heavier car, AWD usually makes things slower and not really more efficient. Even with tuning, engine is not getting more power and transmission is the same. The best it can do is maybe 5.9 but no way it'll be below 5.5.

Jiten Patel

Oh yes I agree that it's not going to beat an Accord, but comparing it to a minivan is absurd. I'm sure it'll still be like 5.9s or 6.0s. I would not be surprised that it is 6.1s. The current TLX does 0-60 in approx 6.2s. But lets just wait for the real numbers.

fiatlux

Why would it matter how the SH-AWD system is tuned? Unless this is a high horsepower monster that’s traction limited, it’s not going to make one iota of difference. You’re just grasping at straws here. This has the same engine and transmission as the RDX and the same exact power numbers, and practically the same weight. What makes you think that it won’t perform similarly? Just because it’s a sedan? Physics does not care what the shape of the car is for 0-60 runs. Power, gearing, and mass is what matters.

Tony Pac

Thank you

there are 1000s of posts about HP, 0-60 and etc. Yet not a single person has the info. All we have WILD guesses. It will be this and it will be that...if this happens or that happens. Why not wait and see the results. OP - apologies not trying to disprect your post. But we got way too many wild guesses and assumptions here

There are two members on the facebook page of TLX that have solid, reliable and accurate info. But they are very professional and they share whatever they can. They don't speculate any numbers or features of the car. Kevin and Patrick. Follow them, they are great resources.

loki

Tony, fiatlux is right. The car is 99.99% identical to RDX and will perform as such. Everything else (sport sedan, best in 35 years, blah blah) are just marketing gimmicks. Acura sport sedans seized to exist after the last TL rolled off in 2014. Type S has SOME potential but with it's price and competition having larger V6 twin turbos and/or DCTs, it's shaping up to be just an average car. Those of us that have followed Acura for decades know that there was a huge shift and change in corporate structure at the late 2000s. Acura is no longer the company it once was. Neither is Honda. Honda is more concerned with Pilots and CRVs and killed off fun affordable Honda Fit, killed off ALL coupes (Accord and Civic), killed off manual Accord, sent Si on hiatus to "possibly" come back in 2022, etc. Acura/Honda have become vehicle of choice for soccer moms, not car enthusiasts.

Tony Pac

i don't disagree. It's identical to RDX. I was just saying we have so many threads and posts about the same exact thing. Let's wait another 2 weeks and we will know it. Believe me i know the marketing tricks very well Acura or Lexus, they are all the same....blah blah blah!

the real question is when do we see a real review from journalists like Alex on Auto, Sofyan, Mototmouth and etc.

bilirubin

Don't sleep on the Odyssey and Accord. All numbers from Car & Driver...

Honda Accord 2.0T (3312 lbs) 0-60 5.3s -- 5-60 5.9s -- 1/4-mile 13.9s
Honda Odyssey 3.5V6 (4574 lbs) 0-60 6.5s -- 5-60 6.7s -- 1/4-mile 15.1s
RDX A-Spec SH-AWD (3997 lbs) 0-60 6.6s -- 5-60 7.0s --1/4-mile 15.2s

The TLX 2.0T SH-AWD weighs 3927 to 4028 lbs, so expect performance numbers closer to the RDX than the Accord. About the same weight, same engine, same SH-AWD. The RDX is objectively slower than a Odyssey. Therefore the Honda Odyssey is now the official acceleration benchmark for the 2021 Acura TLX 2.0T SH-AWD. I hope I'm wrong, but the numbers so far speak otherwise.

04WDPSeDaN

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Wild guess

Base 0-60 in 6.0-6.2 seconds

Type-s 0-60 in 4.6-4.8 seconds.

This being what Acura might advertise. Actual numbers will certainly vary.

Kense

Acura will Advertise 4.6-4.7 but some magazines MAY be able to get 4.5 on their best day

BEAR-AvHistory

This is yet to be determined. Remember the current car has been hustled by Acura as a performance sedan. New car is just over/under two tons.

lowgrowl

Audi A4 Quattro 2.0 weighs 3627 lbs. Does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds. I don't know how much the 2.0 TLX AWD weighs. Would I be wrong to assume that if it weighs close to the Audi's, it would not be close to 5.0 seconds ? Over 6 seconds seems really out of place in a car of this class.

fiatlux

And you would be very wrong to assume that. The weight has been discussed over and over again here. The base SHAWD model weighs in at 3927lb, with the Advance at 4028lb. We'll be lucky if this thing is under 6 seconds. It barely weighs less than the RDX, and that car is a solidly mid-6 second car.

lowgrowl

I'm not knowledgeable about the relationship of speed to weight, but I am sure there is more to it than just weight. But really, for a true sport sedan to be that slow is really disappointing.

All I hear is criticism about the car (not you). It's like a political argument. With German car owners feeling defensive and threatened LOL

Kense

lol German car owners are in no way threatened by an Acura TLX.

fiatlux

I don't even know if Accord owners are threatened by an Acura TLX .

pyrodan007

Acura had many years to test and try to catch up, they barely did. All for nothing since new versions from Germans and Koreans are coming in the next year or so.

And yet you keep on thinking the TLX will make better numbers than what is presented on the table. True we don't have reviews yet, but the RDX is a pretty darn close comparison. The Accord is not, just wishful thinking.

loki

Obviously I can't speak for 2021+ TLX but I owned 2015 TLX V6 SHAWD before my 2019 Accord 2.0T 6MT - the Accord is plain and simple faster. TLX has a 1-second advantage off the line until Accord gets grip, then the Accord is gone. This is even more pronounced on the TLX V6 FWD, which I've had as a loaner. Endless wheel spin and inadequate torque.

bilirubin

Seriously, the Accord is underrated. People don't realize it accelerates faster than every Acura sedan ever except the RLX Sport Hybrid and (most likely) the TLX Type S. It even beats the Lexus IS350 F-sport, the BMW 640i Gran Coupe, and the Mercedes C300 coupe. Let's put some respect on the Accord name.

Tony Pac

lol! beautiful guesses. Pure entertainment. My guess 0-60 will be 2.5 second best case and 10.5 worst case. It will be faster than NSX

04WDPSeDaN

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The only thing OP had to do is get involved with all the other threads or at least read through them.

Best thing you could do is hit some research with power to weight ratio including what the competition actually puts down (power wise) vs their weight. There are many other factors to consider but it will give you an idea. As for the German enthusiasts being threatened, I highly doubt they are losing sleep over the TLX.

Acura is heading in the right direction. No idea who they are competing with to be honest with you. For the price point and options, it's hard to put them against anything other than themselves. For the money, the accord will still be the best bang for buck vs the TLX.

dmski

Yeah, if the non Type S TLX is slower than the current V6 TLX which sure looks that way since the V6 runs low 14 sec quarter mile and 5.5 0 to 60 with a good launch, that is pretty embarrassing for a brand with a "Performance" in its slogan. I test drove the RDX several times and was disappointed every time. Lag was f*kn annoying off the line. I honestly don't know how people drive that car every day. Now, Acura is dropping the same power train in the TLX and I'm very skeptical about it because the car weighs so much. Add the significant price tag and it's just not looking good at all.

04WDPSeDaN

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Sometimes that's the issue with Turbos getting off the line. If there's a reliable tune for the 2.0 TLX, it should be quicker than the current TLX V6. At that point you may be talking about such a very small difference .1 or .2 quicker.

ACCURATEin

I don't know the 0-60 times but It looks like the 2021 tlx turbo 4 went 11:33 up pikes peak and the tlx gt was able to do a 9:24. Dai Yoshihara went 10:03 in evasive's frs.

justnspace

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that's not fair.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hondanews.com

two race prepared second generation TLXs powered by modified versions of the production 2.0-liter turbocharged engine

they were two race prepped cars with modified engines...ie; not stock.

the aftermarket scene will not even come close to modifying the car to these power levels.
These are Honda race teams with massive R&D and money.

iforyou

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My take is that it's impossible to make any guess now.

The problem with using RDX AWD performance figures is that, the ECU is purposely limiting the engine output in lower gears to prevent damage to the AWD system,

However, the TLX seems to have an updated AWD system that could handle the power and torque for the new Type S. Will this AWD system be found on the 2.0T version too, or the TLX 2.0T will have the same exact RDX AWD, and the TLX Type S will get its own updated AWD system that can handle the extra power?

The RDX FWD is quite a bit faster than the RDX AWD, more so than the difference in weight would suggest.

So, if the TLX 2.0T AWD uses the same exact RDX setup, then we are looking at 0-60mph in low to mid 6's. The TLX 2.0T FWD at about 400lb heavier than the Accord, but with an extra 20hp, should be doing mid 5's.

If the TLX 2.0T AWD is no longer being limited in power output, then I'd imagine its 0-60mph will be mid 5's thanks to the extra AWD traction.

loki

We're not.

lowgrowl

That's what I was thinking. The AWD makes a big difference. Alot of people might be setting themselves up to be embarrassed. It might actually do it in close to 5 seconds. I really hope it does.

leomio85

2.0T SH-AWD 0-60 in 6.0-6.2s
2.0T FWD 0-60 in 5.8-6.0s

Type-S 0-60 in 5.0-5.3s

I have no faith that Honda won’t dial power back in low gears and put other measures in place to preserve the drivetrain from breaking under hard launches. The SH-AWD is first and foremost built around gas mileage, not launch performance. Not even in the least. It might do well around turns and inclement weather, but it’s not built to be stout.

bilirubin

This is the best take so far as to why it might perform better. I really hope you're right. If the 2.0T TLX's SH-AWD uses the Type S' upgraded set-up (and that's a big if), and is truly able to handle more power than the RDX's system then I'd say 0-60 5.7s, 1/4-mile 14.3s.

Going back to power-to-weight ratio. One of the biggest over-performers is the Porsche Cayenne (335hp, 4720 lbs), which does 0-60 in 4.8s, and has a similar (slightly better) power-to-weight ratio than the RDX. IMO best case scenario for TLX 2.0T SH-AWD, but I highly doubt Honda/Acura's 10-speed transmission will rival Porsche's PDK dual-clutch. The latter is probably the fastest transmission on the market today, and Honda/Acura tend to play it safe in the name of reliability (they cannot afford another ZF-like fiasco)

lowgrowl

I am no expert on this. But I totally disagree with your numbers, especially for the Type S. The Type S is going to have 350 HP and your telling me it's not going to break 5 ? Please.
I'm seeing too much misinformation on this forum.

lowgrowl

The car also hasn't even been released yet and your making a unsubstantiated claim.. How the do you know that the AWD system has not been beefed up for performance and it might actually be faster than what your numbers stated
Why not have a open mind and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Instead of predicting the car will be a disappointment.