2015 Acura TLX - Success or Fail?
09-20-2014, 09:26 PM
#241
Suzuka Master
I never mentioned you and you alone in my post. Sorry, it's not always all about you. And when you grow up you're going to have an awfully hard time adjusting when the rest of the world doesn't agree with you. But hey, at least you have a TLX.
(And yes, I do know how a person is in real life when they say "Umm kay" and "excuse the f' out of me" on the internet).
I used to think it was possible to come here to get some information. Now all I will get is the inevitable immature response back - again.
(And yes, I do know how a person is in real life when they say "Umm kay" and "excuse the f' out of me" on the internet).
I used to think it was possible to come here to get some information. Now all I will get is the inevitable immature response back - again.
09-21-2014, 09:09 AM
#242
Instructor
I never mentioned you and you alone in my post. Sorry, it's not always all about you. And when you grow up you're going to have an awfully hard time adjusting when the rest of the world doesn't agree with you. But hey, at least you have a TLX.
(And yes, I do know how a person is in real life when they say "Umm kay" and "excuse the f' out of me" on the internet).
I used to think it was possible to come here to get some information. Now all I will get is the inevitable immature response back - again.
(And yes, I do know how a person is in real life when they say "Umm kay" and "excuse the f' out of me" on the internet).
I used to think it was possible to come here to get some information. Now all I will get is the inevitable immature response back - again.
09-22-2014, 07:59 PM
#244
Burning Brakes
Can the TLX Restore Acura's Car Business?
Can The TLX Restore Acura’s Car Business?
By Timothy Cain on September 22, 2014
But this year’s car sales decline at Acura is nothing new. Moreover, it stretches beyond the disappointing sales of the disappearing TL and TSX.
ILX sales are down 18%; RLX volume is down 5%. Acura car sales slid 10% in 2013 after a 19% increase in 2012, which followed 2011’s 8% loss, 2010’s 1% increase, and consecutive declines in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009. Acura sold 151,662 passenger cars in 2005, when the brand’s U.S. market share was 1.23%, but didn’t sell that many total vehicles in 2012. Acura car sales in 2013 were down 56% from 2005 levels; down 16% from 2008.
Is the TLX the answer? We only have one month’s results on which to base our interpretation of the market’s reaction to the new car, so interpret we shall not. However, after a bit of a wait for cars to arrive, the TLX’s August sales results (2286 units) were better than anything the TSX, wagon-inclusive, has achieved in the last 27 months.
Even if the TLX quickly outshines the TSX, historic TL numbers will be much harder to match. TL sales declined consistently on an annual basis in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009, perked up very slightly in 2010, then declined in 2011, perked up slightly again in 2012, and then plunged in 2013. The slide has been so long in forming that we forget how popular a car it was. 78,218 TLs were sold in 2005; less than a third that many last year. Combined, Acura sold 113,074 TLs and TSXs in 2005. We’re not about to see the TLX make a return to those heights for Acura.
The RLX is far less popular than the RL was nine years ago, as well. Acura may sell 3800 this year. 17,572 RLs were sold in 2005, which preceded seven consecutive years of decline.
The RSX contributed an average of 19,915 annual sales in its three final full years: 2004, 2005, and 2006.
With help from those two lower-volume models, cars generated 70% of Acura’s U.S. volume in 2004, 72% in 2005, and 69% in 2006. Cars accounted for 41% of Acura’s U.S. sales in 2013, just 31% so far this year.
Acura is very much a crossover brand now. Acura sold 98,151 MDXs, RDXs, and ZDXs last year, the kind of total Acura hasn’t achieved with its cars in seven years. Compared with 2005, when the MDX was alone in Acura’s utility vehicle stable, Acura crossover sales in 2013 were 69% higher. Acura has already sold 73,375 MDXs, RDXs, and ZDXs in 2014, more than the total achieved by the brand’s crossover lineup in all of 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, or 2011.
These aren’t just popular vehicles in comparison with Acura’s increasingly unpopular cars. The MDX outsells all premium brand SUVs and crossovers save for the Lexus RX. Sales of the RDX are down 2% in 2014, but it’s still outselling the Audi Q5, Mercedes-Benz GLK, BMW X3, and Volvo XC60. And it’s not as though all premium automakers (or premium wannabes) aren’t increasingly reliant on utility vehicles. BMW, for example, didn’t produce any SAVs in 1998, but in 2014 more than one-third of the brand’s U.S. sales involve an X1, X3, X4, X5, or X6.
Yet Acura’s steady rise in the SUV/CUV segment has not proved strong enough to maintain Acura’s position in the overall market. Acura’s market share in America was as high as 1.23% in 2005 and 1.15% in 2010, but Acura market share is down to 0.95% this year.
On its own, the TLX won’t replicate what the TL and TSX managed a decade ago. If the TLX can simply stop Acura from becoming an SUV-only brand, Honda’s crossover-centric answer to Land Rover or Jeep, we’ll say it achieved something meaningful, though perhaps not voluminous.
By Timothy Cain on September 22, 2014
- U.S. sales of passenger cars at the Acura brand are down 32% through the first eight months of 2014, yet total Acura brand volume is down just 3%, a loss of 3264 units. Acura’s trio of crossovers, including 66 sales from the cancelled ZDX, have improved 20%, a gain of more than 12,000 units, not quite enough to offset the car division’s 15,552 lost sales.
But this year’s car sales decline at Acura is nothing new. Moreover, it stretches beyond the disappointing sales of the disappearing TL and TSX.
ILX sales are down 18%; RLX volume is down 5%. Acura car sales slid 10% in 2013 after a 19% increase in 2012, which followed 2011’s 8% loss, 2010’s 1% increase, and consecutive declines in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009. Acura sold 151,662 passenger cars in 2005, when the brand’s U.S. market share was 1.23%, but didn’t sell that many total vehicles in 2012. Acura car sales in 2013 were down 56% from 2005 levels; down 16% from 2008.
Is the TLX the answer? We only have one month’s results on which to base our interpretation of the market’s reaction to the new car, so interpret we shall not. However, after a bit of a wait for cars to arrive, the TLX’s August sales results (2286 units) were better than anything the TSX, wagon-inclusive, has achieved in the last 27 months.
Even if the TLX quickly outshines the TSX, historic TL numbers will be much harder to match. TL sales declined consistently on an annual basis in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009, perked up very slightly in 2010, then declined in 2011, perked up slightly again in 2012, and then plunged in 2013. The slide has been so long in forming that we forget how popular a car it was. 78,218 TLs were sold in 2005; less than a third that many last year. Combined, Acura sold 113,074 TLs and TSXs in 2005. We’re not about to see the TLX make a return to those heights for Acura.
The RLX is far less popular than the RL was nine years ago, as well. Acura may sell 3800 this year. 17,572 RLs were sold in 2005, which preceded seven consecutive years of decline.
The RSX contributed an average of 19,915 annual sales in its three final full years: 2004, 2005, and 2006.
With help from those two lower-volume models, cars generated 70% of Acura’s U.S. volume in 2004, 72% in 2005, and 69% in 2006. Cars accounted for 41% of Acura’s U.S. sales in 2013, just 31% so far this year.
Acura is very much a crossover brand now. Acura sold 98,151 MDXs, RDXs, and ZDXs last year, the kind of total Acura hasn’t achieved with its cars in seven years. Compared with 2005, when the MDX was alone in Acura’s utility vehicle stable, Acura crossover sales in 2013 were 69% higher. Acura has already sold 73,375 MDXs, RDXs, and ZDXs in 2014, more than the total achieved by the brand’s crossover lineup in all of 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, or 2011.
These aren’t just popular vehicles in comparison with Acura’s increasingly unpopular cars. The MDX outsells all premium brand SUVs and crossovers save for the Lexus RX. Sales of the RDX are down 2% in 2014, but it’s still outselling the Audi Q5, Mercedes-Benz GLK, BMW X3, and Volvo XC60. And it’s not as though all premium automakers (or premium wannabes) aren’t increasingly reliant on utility vehicles. BMW, for example, didn’t produce any SAVs in 1998, but in 2014 more than one-third of the brand’s U.S. sales involve an X1, X3, X4, X5, or X6.
Yet Acura’s steady rise in the SUV/CUV segment has not proved strong enough to maintain Acura’s position in the overall market. Acura’s market share in America was as high as 1.23% in 2005 and 1.15% in 2010, but Acura market share is down to 0.95% this year.
On its own, the TLX won’t replicate what the TL and TSX managed a decade ago. If the TLX can simply stop Acura from becoming an SUV-only brand, Honda’s crossover-centric answer to Land Rover or Jeep, we’ll say it achieved something meaningful, though perhaps not voluminous.
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09-22-2014, 08:42 PM
#245
^ Good to see an Acura article not bash the slow sales of the ZDX for once.
09-23-2014, 03:19 PM
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09-24-2014, 11:48 AM
#250
Suzuka Master
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09-26-2014, 04:26 PM
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09-26-2014, 04:28 PM
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09-26-2014, 04:52 PM
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Since cars are ordered 2 months before arrival (3 months for us in Hawaii), it takes a while for inventory to match demand/sales. This means that if we determine that our market needs 75% 4 cylinder (IMO it does), we couldn't change things till December/January.
09-28-2014, 04:45 AM
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FAIL. I am really surprised how boring this car is inside and out. All they focused on was those head lights. Everything else is eh..
09-30-2014, 10:09 AM
#259
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I would say 50/50, but that considered a failure per OP or in business. I will base on my personal thinking and experience. Oh! We don't tend to keep our cars more than 4 - 5 years and no leasing.
We recently purchase a new 14' Accord Touring because the deal was too sweet, but prior to that we were debating on the TLX Advance and few others. However, our minds set were that we only get the TLX if it has good discount which Acura dealers think too high of themselves and wouldn't budged on my offering. Mind you that we didn't even low-ball them. With the money that we spend for this TLX or the new TLX-AWD, we can shell out a little more and get the more prestige and respectable cars. Not that the TLXs are bad, but they don't have that "WoW" factor on it. We were even looked at the RLX, but then it's over $50K without AWD and come with a N/A V6. It's a very nice interior I admit that.
As for my age, I need to have a little fun in it too even though it's a luxury car. When I spend that much, I want something with more power, something with boosted 6 or even 8 cylinders. That's also one of the reason why I didn't even test the GS350, it carries that V6 forever.
I think the TLX will be success with the entry level luxury cars, but it will be a tough fight with its top crowds.
We recently purchase a new 14' Accord Touring because the deal was too sweet, but prior to that we were debating on the TLX Advance and few others. However, our minds set were that we only get the TLX if it has good discount which Acura dealers think too high of themselves and wouldn't budged on my offering. Mind you that we didn't even low-ball them. With the money that we spend for this TLX or the new TLX-AWD, we can shell out a little more and get the more prestige and respectable cars. Not that the TLXs are bad, but they don't have that "WoW" factor on it. We were even looked at the RLX, but then it's over $50K without AWD and come with a N/A V6. It's a very nice interior I admit that.
As for my age, I need to have a little fun in it too even though it's a luxury car. When I spend that much, I want something with more power, something with boosted 6 or even 8 cylinders. That's also one of the reason why I didn't even test the GS350, it carries that V6 forever.
I think the TLX will be success with the entry level luxury cars, but it will be a tough fight with its top crowds.
09-30-2014, 11:03 AM
#260
Instructor
I should qualify this by saying I don't think the TLX will stay at a point where it has the sales volume to equal what Acura is losing with the current TSX and TL models combined much less what Acura had in terms of volume with the 3G TL and 1G TSX 10 years ago.
I just don't think it will be able to pick up the slack that Acura is hoping for in the long run, I hope I'm wrong...
I think the majority of sales with this car will be the 2.4 given the price point and milage advantage of the 4 cylinder.
Buying a TSX 2.4 Tech for $35K is going to be appealing to many buyers, spending $4K+ more for the same car with a V6 much less the other packages that can take you close to $45K will be much different.
09-30-2014, 12:26 PM
#261
The 2015 will be a year to keep the TLX on the roll. Its my cent, but the TLX and the NSX should be marketed as brothers not like cousings. Now some of my cents.
-Acura Should print in his forehead THE TLX IS A SPORT SEDAN, NOT LUXURY SEDAN.
- Isnt the 3 series a sport sedan ??. As it , it sell like hotcakes.
- Acura should forget about a TYPE S , Acura doesnt have the marketing skill to market
8 TLX models .Aveid, he TYPE S need some work that in Acura world is past.
-How many RLX 320 HP engines are available ? Why dont bump a run of 1,000
of those engines to 350 HP a create a limited edition of TLX ??.
- Honda sold a Mugen Civic edition for $ 30K and sold every one , so people like these limited editions.
- To keep the price right, dont offer some electronics and weigh adders.
- PLEASE DONT take spy photos at a gas station or a Shopping mall. Show the car lapping at Nurburgring along with a M3s and S4s.
- if the car is stiff, jerking, loud and lack some wood or leather , is the model nature and is what customers are looking for.
-Acura Should print in his forehead THE TLX IS A SPORT SEDAN, NOT LUXURY SEDAN.
- Isnt the 3 series a sport sedan ??. As it , it sell like hotcakes.
- Acura should forget about a TYPE S , Acura doesnt have the marketing skill to market
8 TLX models .Aveid, he TYPE S need some work that in Acura world is past.
-How many RLX 320 HP engines are available ? Why dont bump a run of 1,000
of those engines to 350 HP a create a limited edition of TLX ??.
- Honda sold a Mugen Civic edition for $ 30K and sold every one , so people like these limited editions.
- To keep the price right, dont offer some electronics and weigh adders.
- PLEASE DONT take spy photos at a gas station or a Shopping mall. Show the car lapping at Nurburgring along with a M3s and S4s.
- if the car is stiff, jerking, loud and lack some wood or leather , is the model nature and is what customers are looking for.
09-30-2014, 01:19 PM
#262
Burning Brakes
I think you can define success or fail for the TLX if everyone can agree that the 4G was a failure. Certainly very few 4G owners or Acura fanboys would say the 4G was a fail. I think most people who are objective could say it wasn't popular with the general consumer. I think most could say sales were down because it wasn't a good looking car and not try to blame - monsoons, the economy or lesser gods. For those who would define the 4G TL as a success I'm sure they'd define selling 5,000 TLX vehicles this year a resounding success.
09-30-2014, 01:27 PM
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Suzuka Master
I think you can define success or fail for the TLX if everyone can agree that the 4G was a failure. Certainly very few 4G owners or Acura fanboys would say the 4G was a fail. I think most people who are objective could say it wasn't popular with the general consumer. I think most could say sales were down because it wasn't a good looking car and not try to blame - monsoons, the economy or lesser gods. For those who would define the 4G TL as a success I'm sure they'd define selling 5,000 TLX vehicles this year a resounding success.
I really don't know what the basis is for success or failure and whom can claim either. Are there a certain # of cars that need to sell or is it against another manufacturer.
Certainly comparing it to the 4G is one measure.
On here, there is a feeling it's already failed but I want to see where the sales are a year from now.
I want it and Acura to succeed. (understatement?
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09-30-2014, 01:49 PM
#264
Burning Brakes
I think you can define success or fail for the TLX if everyone can agree that the 4G was a failure. Certainly very few 4G owners or Acura fanboys would say the 4G was a fail. I think most people who are objective could say it wasn't popular with the general consumer. I think most could say sales were down because it wasn't a good looking car and not try to blame - monsoons, the economy or lesser gods. For those who would define the 4G TL as a success I'm sure they'd define selling 5,000 TLX vehicles this year a resounding success.
BUT the longer I own the car, the more I grow into it. Very well fit and finish. Buttons are great. Engine and transmission work well. This is something that I will keep for a long time. Once it's paid off, I can start looking for something more elite/fun like the Cayman, M3, etc.
09-30-2014, 04:51 PM
#265
Judging by the sales. It's a huge success.
The much more loved Cadillac ATS only sold around 1800 units the first 6 weeks of release. Acura will probably finish with over 5000 units sold the first 6 weeks.(We'll see in a couple days at the latest).
In this particular 'entry luxury segment', nobody is going to outsell the 3 Series or the Lexus ES. It's all about finishing third. Right now it's the IS and the C CLASS. I think the C CLASS will price itself out and the TLX could very well end up selling more than the IS.
Success= Sales. That's what the pure definition of 'success' means in the luxury auto industry. Success does not mean 'internet posters loving the car' it means sales figures.
The much more loved Cadillac ATS only sold around 1800 units the first 6 weeks of release. Acura will probably finish with over 5000 units sold the first 6 weeks.(We'll see in a couple days at the latest).
In this particular 'entry luxury segment', nobody is going to outsell the 3 Series or the Lexus ES. It's all about finishing third. Right now it's the IS and the C CLASS. I think the C CLASS will price itself out and the TLX could very well end up selling more than the IS.
Success= Sales. That's what the pure definition of 'success' means in the luxury auto industry. Success does not mean 'internet posters loving the car' it means sales figures.
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09-30-2014, 08:09 PM
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Judging by the sales. It's a huge success.
The much more loved Cadillac ATS only sold around 1800 units the first 6 weeks of release. Acura will probably finish with over 5000 units sold the first 6 weeks.(We'll see in a couple days at the latest).
In this particular 'entry luxury segment', nobody is going to outsell the 3 Series or the Lexus ES. It's all about finishing third. Right now it's the IS and the C CLASS. I think the C CLASS will price itself out and the TLX could very well end up selling more than the IS.
Success= Sales. That's what the pure definition of 'success' means in the luxury auto industry. Success does not mean 'internet posters loving the car' it means sales figures.
The much more loved Cadillac ATS only sold around 1800 units the first 6 weeks of release. Acura will probably finish with over 5000 units sold the first 6 weeks.(We'll see in a couple days at the latest).
In this particular 'entry luxury segment', nobody is going to outsell the 3 Series or the Lexus ES. It's all about finishing third. Right now it's the IS and the C CLASS. I think the C CLASS will price itself out and the TLX could very well end up selling more than the IS.
Success= Sales. That's what the pure definition of 'success' means in the luxury auto industry. Success does not mean 'internet posters loving the car' it means sales figures.
4G was a failure in terms of sales, many people disliked the shape of vehicle but its a great machine and I enjoy it everyday. I am not a fanboy nor an Acura diehard fan. I just found the TL SH-AWD was a better car than many competitors for the price I paid.
09-30-2014, 08:22 PM
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I think we have to consider the sales of the TSX and the TL given the TLX is a combo of both cars....
09-30-2014, 10:05 PM
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09-30-2014, 10:32 PM
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This is a good point. Acura is in trouble TBH.......because it's hard to see the TLX being so successful that it can get over 80k Units per year(which is what's needed). That being said, you never know. The I4 31,000 MSRP(starting) deal is pretty surreal if you throw that against the A3 and CLA.
09-30-2014, 10:37 PM
#270
They may be able to match 2G TSX + 4G TL sales combined. No way they'll hit 1G TSX + 3G TL sales. However, it's a different time and the ILX is supposed to fill some of the 1G TSX role.
10-01-2014, 01:35 AM
#272
This is a good point. Acura is in trouble TBH.......because it's hard to see the TLX being so successful that it can get over 80k Units per year(which is what's needed). That being said, you never know. The I4 31,000 MSRP(starting) deal is pretty surreal if you throw that against the A3 and CLA.
10-01-2014, 08:47 AM
#273
Strong numbers being posted since production has ramped up. I'm glad for Acura. Deals are tough to come by. But, that's a reflection on how well the car is selling. My dealer pulled up the Acura $1,000 former customer trunk money to make a deal, plus he threw in the Corprate $500 in accessories. But, aside from that, he said best he could do from the dealership would be $500 off.
So, $1,500 off ($1,000 of that is Acura corporate money) and $500 in accessoires (again, funded by Acura).
Everyone else is paying MSRP. He can't keep them in stock.
He said as a dealership (was one of the first Acura dealerships in the city), they're having the best month in their history (Sept) because of the TLX.
So, $1,500 off ($1,000 of that is Acura corporate money) and $500 in accessoires (again, funded by Acura).
Everyone else is paying MSRP. He can't keep them in stock.
He said as a dealership (was one of the first Acura dealerships in the city), they're having the best month in their history (Sept) because of the TLX.
10-01-2014, 09:04 AM
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I would say 50/50, but that considered a failure per OP or in business. I will base on my personal thinking and experience. Oh! We don't tend to keep our cars more than 4 - 5 years and no leasing.
We recently purchase a new 14' Accord Touring because the deal was too sweet, but prior to that we were debating on the TLX Advance and few others. However, our minds set were that we only get the TLX if it has good discount which Acura dealers think too high of themselves and wouldn't budged on my offering. Mind you that we didn't even low-ball them. With the money that we spend for this TLX or the new TLX-AWD, we can shell out a little more and get the more prestige and respectable cars. Not that the TLXs are bad, but they don't have that "WoW" factor on it. We were even looked at the RLX, but then it's over $50K without AWD and come with a N/A V6. It's a very nice interior I admit that.
As for my age, I need to have a little fun in it too even though it's a luxury car. When I spend that much, I want something with more power, something with boosted 6 or even 8 cylinders. That's also one of the reason why I didn't even test the GS350, it carries that V6 forever.
I think the TLX will be success with the entry level luxury cars, but it will be a tough fight with its top crowds.
We recently purchase a new 14' Accord Touring because the deal was too sweet, but prior to that we were debating on the TLX Advance and few others. However, our minds set were that we only get the TLX if it has good discount which Acura dealers think too high of themselves and wouldn't budged on my offering. Mind you that we didn't even low-ball them. With the money that we spend for this TLX or the new TLX-AWD, we can shell out a little more and get the more prestige and respectable cars. Not that the TLXs are bad, but they don't have that "WoW" factor on it. We were even looked at the RLX, but then it's over $50K without AWD and come with a N/A V6. It's a very nice interior I admit that.
As for my age, I need to have a little fun in it too even though it's a luxury car. When I spend that much, I want something with more power, something with boosted 6 or even 8 cylinders. That's also one of the reason why I didn't even test the GS350, it carries that V6 forever.
I think the TLX will be success with the entry level luxury cars, but it will be a tough fight with its top crowds.
You're not going to see discounts for awhile. It's simple supply and demand. Acura dealers are selling every TLX they can get their hands on.
My wife has a '14 Accord EX-L V6. Nice car. Even she admits that it's not up to the level as my 4G TL SH AWD. My car handles better, rides better, has better materials, much better stereo, better seats, better leather, etc, etc, etc. It's just a better car all the way around. But, she also paid about sseveral thousand less for it, too. Compared to its competition at the same price point (Camry, Malibu, Fusion), it's a great car. Compared to my car? Again, not close.
As far as looking at cars with blown V6s and V8s, my previous cars were an E92 334ix coupe with a two=in scroll turbo I6 and a current gen Audi S4 with a S/C V6. Both great cars in their own rights. And, they were faster than my 4G SH AWD. But, their tech wasn't nearly as good (Acura's tech just works...whereas iDrive and MMI still have kinks). I'll take SH AWD over Audi's Quattro (mine even had torque vectoring) all day, every day. Same goes for BMW's xDrive.
Materials? My S4 had the least amount of leather on the seats compared to any car I've ever owned with leather seats. Just the side bolsters had leather. My BMW had leather, but it certainly wasn't nearly as soft as my TL's Milano.
Stereo's? Even with the B&O system in the S4, the Acura ELS is better in every regard. Same for the Harmon system in the BMW (which is worse than the stereo in my wife's Accord).
Here's the kicker...even with discounts, I paid $10K more for the BMW and about $14K more for the S4 than I did for my TL SH AWD Advance.
You mentioned V8s. Now you're talking M3 territory if you want a V8. Or, the C63 if you're talking Benz. Now you're looking at $20K-$25K more than a TL SH AWD.
So, point is, for a luxury car, the Acura offers great value....even at MSRP as the TLX is now selling for.
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10-01-2014, 09:47 AM
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I believe it will be a success.
It may not resonate with the 1% hardcore enthusiasts but the other 99% will find it a compelling option given the entry level price point, great tech and the overall quality of the car.
It may not resonate with the 1% hardcore enthusiasts but the other 99% will find it a compelling option given the entry level price point, great tech and the overall quality of the car.
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10-01-2014, 10:18 AM
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I would never call the 4G a success. I liked the one I had but I know sales were not at all great for it.
I really don't know what the basis is for success or failure and whom can claim either. Are there a certain # of cars that need to sell or is it against another manufacturer.
I really don't know what the basis is for success or failure and whom can claim either. Are there a certain # of cars that need to sell or is it against another manufacturer.
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10-01-2014, 10:42 AM
#277
Times have changed. The market has trended towards the cross-over. The best selling models for Buick, Lexus, Cadillac, and Acura are CUV's. All the luxury brands now have at least 3 different cross-overs to choose from. Cross-overs are a very hot market now... people are just not buying sedans as much as before.
Will the TLX be the best selling model for Acura? Not likely, MDX and RDX will continue to be sales leaders as it fills the need for luxury cross-overs. As for the luxury sedan market, the TLX should be just fine.
Will the TLX be the best selling model for Acura? Not likely, MDX and RDX will continue to be sales leaders as it fills the need for luxury cross-overs. As for the luxury sedan market, the TLX should be just fine.
10-01-2014, 12:38 PM
#278
Car Enthusiast
My wife has a '14 Accord EX-L V6. Nice car. Even she admits that it's not up to the level as my 4G TL SH AWD. My car handles better, rides better, has better materials, much better stereo, better seats, better leather, etc, etc, etc. It's just a better car all the way around. But, she also paid about sseveral thousand less for it, too. Compared to its competition at the same price point (Camry, Malibu, Fusion), it's a great car. Compared to my car? Again, not close.
I mentioned it just to start off with something and even if you or others ask why I Xshopped with those. Well, I have a pact with the wife. If I get something under $30K for her, I can get an extra car of my choice after I pay off the Accord in two years. If I get something decently nice now, I won't be able to get the car of my choice for few more years. I wanted to get something nice for her and wait, but the deal on the Accord just too sweet and wife is happy with it.
Again, I did not compare the two!
As far as looking at cars with blown V6s and V8s, my previous cars were an E92 334ix coupe with a two=in scroll turbo I6 and a current gen Audi S4 with a S/C V6. Both great cars in their own rights. And, they were faster than my 4G SH AWD. But, their tech wasn't nearly as good (Acura's tech just works...whereas iDrive and MMI still have kinks). I'll take SH AWD over Audi's Quattro (mine even had torque vectoring) all day, every day. Same goes for BMW's xDrive.
What are the kinks between the iDrive and MMI compare to the Acura?
Hahah "mine even had torque vectoring", sounds like the 1%. I can't speak for the BMW, but your "current gen Audi S4" does offer that. I know it would cost a little more which I am not denying that.
Yes, I did mention v8, but I did not say that I will go with a new car. That would somewhat defeat my plan for the next car. However, I would pick either a used A6 or 535 simply because they're in different class. More luxury, better techs, more power, prestige than your 4G TL, TLX, 3ers, S4. May not have more power than the 335 and S4 but you should get an idea.
Now, before you jump on "German's car fanboy". Here's the list of cars that I have owned since the day I can afford to pay on my own, G35 coupe, 3G TL (father drives now), 2 CR-V, 5 Accords, 2 Camry, Subaru Legacy, 330xi and an Audi A6.
Oh why did I leave out the NSX!
One thing I strongly agree with you. The ELS on the Acura does sound very nice. The only car I haven't heard is the ML system on the Lexus.
Last edited by vhtran; 10-01-2014 at 12:44 PM.
10-01-2014, 01:08 PM
#279
Three Wheelin'
I think you can define success or fail for the TLX if everyone can agree that the 4G was a failure. Certainly very few 4G owners or Acura fanboys would say the 4G was a fail. I think most people who are objective could say it wasn't popular with the general consumer. I think most could say sales were down because it wasn't a good looking car and not try to blame - monsoons, the economy or lesser gods. For those who would define the 4G TL as a success I'm sure they'd define selling 5,000 TLX vehicles this year a resounding success.
I have a 4G and I say the 4G was a failure in terms of sales. I bought the car with deep discounts. It fits my needs perfectly but at MSRP, or even invoice price, I would've never got it.
BUT the longer I own the car, the more I grow into it. Very well fit and finish. Buttons are great. Engine and transmission work well. This is something that I will keep for a long time. Once it's paid off, I can start looking for something more elite/fun like the Cayman, M3, etc.
BUT the longer I own the car, the more I grow into it. Very well fit and finish. Buttons are great. Engine and transmission work well. This is something that I will keep for a long time. Once it's paid off, I can start looking for something more elite/fun like the Cayman, M3, etc.
10-01-2014, 01:35 PM
#280
The September sales are:
3884 Units sold.
That's pretty good considering the ATS'S best ever month is 3887 Units sold.
The Audi A3'S do around 2400-2450ish.
Obviously I still don't think it's enough but we have to keep in mind the V6 make up the majority of these units. The I4'S should sell a lot more, so a far more accurate figure will be in the Oct and Nov sales. Still 3884 Units for the first full month? Mostly v6 models? Pretty good.
3884 Units sold.
That's pretty good considering the ATS'S best ever month is 3887 Units sold.
The Audi A3'S do around 2400-2450ish.
Obviously I still don't think it's enough but we have to keep in mind the V6 make up the majority of these units. The I4'S should sell a lot more, so a far more accurate figure will be in the Oct and Nov sales. Still 3884 Units for the first full month? Mostly v6 models? Pretty good.