Eoanou

Well people will just take those AWD cars and remove the Front half shaft and convert it to RWD.

If you don't believe that's possible a simple "RWD STi" search on YouTube will show you some footage of RWD subbies.

Eoanou

Which is why I'll stick with FWD over AWD if they offer a TL in both trims. People also forget the further away the motor is from the wheels it spins the greater the power loss.

RWD and AWD have more power loss, correctly stated as drivetrain loss, than a FWD vehicle.

Edward'TLS

Unfortunately, FWD cars cannot handle more than 290-300hp and still maintain good handling capability. That's why the 3.5L-V6 engine has to be detuned in the FWD TL-S. But on RWD cars, one can dump lots and lots of hp and torque onto the rear wheels and still maintain good handling capability, all because the front wheels are solely used for steering not for propulsion.

Shalooby

I hate to say it, but the Cadillac CTX is looking pretty good. If it wasn't for the damn pop-up navigation screen. That's just gimmicky.

oneclu

shit looks like a cop car LOL

robbie82

I cant agree with you more. I dont feel the body shape on this car, to many curves and change in direction. Its was seamless in the last gen. Thank god I have one. My 04 in great condition looks better than a brand new 09 so far...

Eoanou

They did a great job with that car.

Eoanou

Eoanou

I doubt the TL will ever see more than 300hp, unless they manage to get more fuel efficiency.

YoungCeo

what is this? A chop?

ndabunka

YES

ndabunka

But Honda has never offered a RWD car so it doesn't look like you were EVER a Honda supporter/owner anyway. Your statement is like subtracting ZERO from Zero, the result (and thereby you) is in-significant.

SpicyMikey

S2000

Ni$h21

i seriously refuse to believe that the new TL's will have that huge ass facemask of a grill.....

albeik

+NSX (Acura in NA)

ndabunka

I stand corrected. He was only "a bit" significant but on the otherhand, I have heard that they are doing a new version of these cars that may well put it back into the elite category of true performance cars.

HEK

EXACTLY.......... , ....but thumbs down for the '09...

TL260power

I am sure this is not the final because it's very ugly...I think Acura is putting this out just to get an idea of what people think and suggest...

TL260power

Did someone photoshop this???

Edward'TLS

Once the new 2010 RL's RWD platform starts to trickle down to the TL model, probably after 2 more TL model cycles, the TL can then go over 300hp with ease without burdened by the heavy and inefficient AWD system.

B K R

A lot of wishful thinking here... As late as this is the Camoed TL is the final shebang.... Any suggestion coming now would not be feasible for acura to put in untill the next MY i.e 2010.

I personally think that the 09 TL will be visually pleasing and would will well placed in the market.

phee

iTrader: (5)

you guys do realize there is tape all over that car right? there is tape over the rear lights as well as the body lines....i REALLY like the side profile

jumbosizeme79

the side reminds me of the bmw look

pimpin-tl

NSX......

blkaspec

exactly

there was a big article about this in one of the recent C&D or R&T, and i think one of the pics was one of the older camo TL pics that is floating around somewhere. so yeah, acura doesnt want us to know what it looks like yet.

redman042

So what? It feels good to bash this car because we own 3G's and most of us won't be able to justify trading up! So let us bash this highly masked car as though it's the finished product. It makes us feel good, if only for a few months.

ed99

If the new TL looks like this then I would definitely look into trading my 3rd Gen for it. But looks like I will be keeping my 3rd Gen for a while.

redman042

Where is that from? THIS design for the TL would be perfect. They should just rape this design and be done with it. I'd trade up to.

sol_da_man

you shouldn't flash your n00b tattoo so blatantly.

n1njai

iTrader: (3)

^x2

Eoanou

How does me saying the car won't ever have more than 300hp relate to the picture?

soydrink

god damn the 2009 tl is ugly. who the f*** is designed this s***?

YoungCeo

Nothing...quoted in error

o4Komodo

iTrader: (2)

If that's a chop.. that's a very good chop, because it follows the lines of the spy shots with all that camo

o4Komodo

iTrader: (2)

If I'm not mistakened, Honda had an AWD or RWD Civic back in the 80s... I forget which it was, though. I'm sure it was one of those once in a lifetime models that are never heard of a year later type of car.

jumbosizeme79

it doesnt, but common sense would say if they decide to upgrade to a 3.7 then it would be the same as the MDX which pushes 300 hp.

Edward'TLS

It was the 3rd generation Civic wagon that has the Real-Time four-wheel drive system and a lame 91 hp 1.5L-I4 12-valve fuel-injected engine. The term "AWD" had not been invented at that time.

o4Komodo

iTrader: (2)

Ah... I see. I knew it was a Civic Wagon, just wasn't sure about the details and the what-nots.

sharp218

S2000.

Silver_Surfer

^ word

S2000 mang