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05-01-2008, 04:13 PM
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"The 300 hp, 3.7-liter V6 from the 2009 RL will pulverize the front tires."
"Buyers might be turned off by . . . . the idea of 300 horsepower going through the front wheels."
^^After reading that, I think C&D has lost their credibility.
"Buyers might be turned off by . . . . the idea of 300 horsepower going through the front wheels."
^^After reading that, I think C&D has lost their credibility.
05-01-2008, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by OUTATIME
"The 300 hp, 3.7-liter V6 from the 2009 RL will pulverize the front tires."
"Buyers might be turned off by . . . . the idea of 300 horsepower going through the front wheels."
^^After reading that, I think C&D has lost their credibility.
"Buyers might be turned off by . . . . the idea of 300 horsepower going through the front wheels."
^^After reading that, I think C&D has lost their credibility.
These days I just buy it for the backfires section.
05-01-2008, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Fyre Man
There was actually a time when Car and Driver had credibility?
These days I just buy it for the backfires section.
These days I just buy it for the backfires section.
I agree C&D is a total loss of Credibility, along with Motor Trend. They tend to cater to only american car builders.
05-01-2008, 07:11 PM
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the photoshopped TL looks alright but I looks like a Honda Accord, If I 'm gonna pay close to $40k for a car, I want it to look different than would a Honda, Nissan, Toyota...etc.
I remember back in 2004 when the TSX was barely introduced, same year the redesigned TL was launched, there would be times when I would see an oncoming TSX and think it was a TL, once we passed each other obviously I would realize it was NOT a TL. That later changed anyway once I got used to seeing the front of the TL vs. TSX, but what I am saying is, Acura might make the front of the new TL look like the photoshopped one which is the almost just like the front on the new TSX, (this will suck if it happens) but Acura has this thing about making all their grills look like that for some reason.
I remember back in 2004 when the TSX was barely introduced, same year the redesigned TL was launched, there would be times when I would see an oncoming TSX and think it was a TL, once we passed each other obviously I would realize it was NOT a TL. That later changed anyway once I got used to seeing the front of the TL vs. TSX, but what I am saying is, Acura might make the front of the new TL look like the photoshopped one which is the almost just like the front on the new TSX, (this will suck if it happens) but Acura has this thing about making all their grills look like that for some reason.
05-01-2008, 07:22 PM
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So I finally got my June Car and Driver in the mail today. A couple things that didn't get mentioned:
-Almost all of the pictures for the 24 cars worth waiting for are fake.
-The irony of the whole thing! In the same issue, toward the end, there is an article about disguising prototypes. There are pictures of many test mules and their various kinds of camo's. Right on the first page of the article is a picture of the white TL test mule we've all seen pictures of!
-Almost all of the pictures for the 24 cars worth waiting for are fake.
-The irony of the whole thing! In the same issue, toward the end, there is an article about disguising prototypes. There are pictures of many test mules and their various kinds of camo's. Right on the first page of the article is a picture of the white TL test mule we've all seen pictures of!
05-01-2008, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by snavarrette
I agree C&D is a total loss of Credibility, along with Motor Trend. They tend to cater to only american car builders.
Off topic real quick but I don't think that's true about Car and Driver catering to American car builders though I do agree that Motor Trend seems to. In most comparison tests in C&D, it seems a Honda or BMW wins. Also, just look at the 10 best records and how many times cars from both companies have won.
As far as new car speculation in car magazines, I think that's existed the whole 20+ years I've been reading them. It sells issues! It's great we have the internet today where there is only factual information.
In all seriousness though, I do love this thread. It keeps me excited and I just have to check it every day to see if the two questions I have are answered(OK SH awd was on the list too but it seems to be fact now): 6mt and how does it look?
05-01-2008, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OUTATIME
"The 300 hp, 3.7-liter V6 from the 2009 RL will pulverize the front tires."
"Buyers might be turned off by . . . . the idea of 300 horsepower going through the front wheels."
^^After reading that, I think C&D has lost their credibility.
"Buyers might be turned off by . . . . the idea of 300 horsepower going through the front wheels."
^^After reading that, I think C&D has lost their credibility.
05-01-2008, 10:54 PM
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car and driver so hopes that it won't be fwd that they are already giving it bad revies as being a fwd...in hopes that honda will make it awd for sure...
they really are a bunch of kids
they really are a bunch of kids
05-01-2008, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
You really think 300HP front driver is a good thing?
and as a side note...it's not a bad thing, the current TL-S is 14hp shy of 300 and that's completely fine.
05-02-2008, 10:19 AM
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there is no aspec package for the new tsx. Only an optional body kit and wheels. Neither of which are on this car shown above.
It's just a tsx photoshoped to have different wheels. It's a ridiculously bad job too. I can't believe C&D would even waste the ink on this. They must be despirate to fill up their mag with "news"
It's just a tsx photoshoped to have different wheels. It's a ridiculously bad job too. I can't believe C&D would even waste the ink on this. They must be despirate to fill up their mag with "news"
05-02-2008, 12:08 PM
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I agree. When the 2004 TL was released there was nothing on the market that could match the integrated nature of the electronics. Today, it is basically just like everything else and missing features that are on newer cars such as the G37. I'm just wondering if there will be any new "distinguishing" features in the 2009 TL.
I almost bought the G37 a month ago, but decided that I didn't like it more than my aging TL. So decided to wait to see how the 2009 TL matches up.
To be honest the grill/no grill debate is not all that important to me. I rarely drag race... so the 305hp vrs 330hp doesn't really drive my thinking.
I'm looking for over all look, presence, performance, and functions. Doesn't seem to be too much discussion on features.
I almost bought the G37 a month ago, but decided that I didn't like it more than my aging TL. So decided to wait to see how the 2009 TL matches up.
To be honest the grill/no grill debate is not all that important to me. I rarely drag race... so the 305hp vrs 330hp doesn't really drive my thinking.
I'm looking for over all look, presence, performance, and functions. Doesn't seem to be too much discussion on features.
I could care less about the grill/extra HP or even if its awd.
If it has the funny grill I could replace it....if it has 270 HP that would be fine.
I want a good combo of looks/performance and some new and cool techie features on the interior.
and of course....a six speed !
The six speed is my only major requirment and I hope acura doesnt kill it off...if so I will keep my 04 TL till something comes out that I like.
05-02-2008, 01:25 PM
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^^Honeslty 300hp is not doing it for me..think about it!! the newer tl "mule" is much bigger in size so it will weigh more, and with the sh-awd that adds weight. If it performed like the 3rd gen i would be satisfied, but i dont think 300hp is cuttin it!
05-02-2008, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by vincethe1
he was saying they lost their credibility cuz we all know it will be sh-awd...and they still think it's strictly fwd.
and as a side note...it's not a bad thing, the current TL-S is 14hp shy of 300 and that's completely fine.
and as a side note...it's not a bad thing, the current TL-S is 14hp shy of 300 and that's completely fine.
You want to see what 300HP is supposed to feel like drive a BMW-335 6MT.
05-02-2008, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
You want to see what 300HP is supposed to feel like drive a BMW-335 6MT.
05-02-2008, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mokos23
i dunno about you guys, but i'm drooling over that audi r8 roadster!!
I love how it says "relax, we've done all the work"
photoshop work, that is.
05-02-2008, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
Yeah - Its completely fine after they retarded the clutch engagement with a hydraulic restrictor valve to save the transmission & dumbed down the peak power in first & second gears at full throttle to limit the torque steer.
You want to see what 300HP is supposed to feel like drive a BMW-335 6MT.
You want to see what 300HP is supposed to feel like drive a BMW-335 6MT.
on my tl there is no torque steer, all you need to do is point the wheel where you want it to go and so it does.
with the 335i u'll get tq steer tooo, but a more dangerous one when the rear lets loose...
the clutch engagement softner doesn't really have to do with reduction of power and tq steer...it just makes it harder to chirp gears...they made it for smoothness i guess although i don't like it eather.
05-02-2008, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by vincethe1
i tohught you said the 1st and 2nd gear power reduction is only there when vsa is on.
on my tl there is no torque steer, all you need to do is point the wheel where you want it to go and so it does.
with the 335i u'll get tq steer tooo, but a more dangerous one when the rear lets loose...
the clutch engagement softner doesn't really have to do with reduction of power and tq steer...it just makes it harder to chirp gears...they made it for smoothness i guess although i don't like it eather.
on my tl there is no torque steer, all you need to do is point the wheel where you want it to go and so it does.
with the 335i u'll get tq steer tooo, but a more dangerous one when the rear lets loose...
the clutch engagement softner doesn't really have to do with reduction of power and tq steer...it just makes it harder to chirp gears...they made it for smoothness i guess although i don't like it eather.
I've never driven either, but torque steer comes under too hard a power load for front wheels. a Rear drive car will NOT have torque steer.
05-02-2008, 06:13 PM
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i meant it in another way...when the back end looses traction it'll oversteer to one side...it's not called tq steer but i used it anyways, what i ment is it'll oversteer which is generally more dangerous than tq steer.
05-02-2008, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by vincethe1
i tohught you said the 1st and 2nd gear power reduction is only there when vsa is on.
on my tl there is no torque steer, all you need to do is point the wheel where you want it to go and so it does.
with the 335i u'll get tq steer tooo, but a more dangerous one when the rear lets loose...
the clutch engagement softner doesn't really have to do with reduction of power and tq steer...it just makes it harder to chirp gears...they made it for smoothness i guess although i don't like it eather.
on my tl there is no torque steer, all you need to do is point the wheel where you want it to go and so it does.
with the 335i u'll get tq steer tooo, but a more dangerous one when the rear lets loose...
the clutch engagement softner doesn't really have to do with reduction of power and tq steer...it just makes it harder to chirp gears...they made it for smoothness i guess although i don't like it eather.
05-02-2008, 06:52 PM
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05-02-2008, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by vincethe1
i meant it in another way...when the back end looses traction it'll oversteer to one side...it's not called tq steer but i used it anyways, what i ment is it'll oversteer which is generally more dangerous than tq steer.
05-02-2008, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Fyre Man
I'm thinking that the SH-AWD version might oversteer because of how the SH-AWD is set up, but it might be too heavy for that. the front-drive TL is sure as hell going to have torque steer though.
rwd cud get you around a corner though...you have to be really good to drive it properly
05-02-2008, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by vincethe1
sh-awd won't oversteer since it would transfer power to the front way before that...therefor it's safe.
rwd cud get you around a corner though...you have to be really good to drive it properly
rwd cud get you around a corner though...you have to be really good to drive it properly
I could say the same thing about fwd...it could get you through a corner if you drive it properly
IMHO, solid 50/50 AWD is the best setup.
05-02-2008, 07:33 PM
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We'll see....so far we know there will be a 3.7L with 300hp and SH-AWD. The current MDX has a decent amount of torque, it would be awesome if they can squeeze a little more out of that 3.7 and bring the torque up to 285-290 or even 300 ft/lb. At the very least, we know the 3.7 is capable of 275 @ 5k?, which is more than the current RL.
Engine aside, Acura's main focus should be a better/more efficient tranny to get that power to all four wheels efficiently. What good is 300hp if you're losing such a large chunk of it? More efficient auto tranny with faster shifts should be at the top of their list
....and if they bring back the 6MT, please fix the on/off clutch.
Engine aside, Acura's main focus should be a better/more efficient tranny to get that power to all four wheels efficiently. What good is 300hp if you're losing such a large chunk of it? More efficient auto tranny with faster shifts should be at the top of their list
....and if they bring back the 6MT, please fix the on/off clutch.
05-02-2008, 07:42 PM
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We'll see....so far we know there will be a 3.7L with 300hp and SH-AWD. The current MDX has a decent amount of torque, it would be awesome if they can squeeze a little more out of that 3.7 and bring the torque up to 285-290 or even 300 ft/lb. At the very least, we know the 3.7 is capable of 275 @ 5k?, which is more than the current RL.
Engine aside, Acura's main focus should be a better/more efficient tranny to get that power to all four wheels efficiently. What good is 300hp if you're losing such a large chunk of it? More efficient auto tranny with faster shifts should be at the top of their list ....and if they bring back the 6MT, please fix the on/off clutch.
Engine aside, Acura's main focus should be a better/more efficient tranny to get that power to all four wheels efficiently. What good is 300hp if you're losing such a large chunk of it? More efficient auto tranny with faster shifts should be at the top of their list
....and if they bring back the 6MT, please fix the on/off clutch.
05-02-2008, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
We'll see....so far we know there will be a 3.7L with 300hp and SH-AWD. The current MDX has a decent amount of torque, it would be awesome if they can squeeze a little more out of that 3.7 and bring the torque up to 285-290 or even 300 ft/lb. At the very least, we know the 3.7 is capable of 275 @ 5k?, which is more than the current RL.
Engine aside, Acura's main focus should be a better/more efficient tranny to get that power to all four wheels efficiently. What good is 300hp if you're losing such a large chunk of it? More efficient auto tranny with faster shifts should be at the top of their list ....and if they bring back the 6MT, please fix the on/off clutch.
Engine aside, Acura's main focus should be a better/more efficient tranny to get that power to all four wheels efficiently. What good is 300hp if you're losing such a large chunk of it? More efficient auto tranny with faster shifts should be at the top of their list
....and if they bring back the 6MT, please fix the on/off clutch.regarding the tranny, it would be interesting to see Acura come out with a dual-clutch DSG-type option. Problem is that the regular auto will have to go for those who use the TL as a daily driver, or the manual will have to go, which will upset the sportier drivers. My guess is it will be the latter.
05-02-2008, 08:57 PM
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true...
problem is...the TL will have a huge weight deficit...judging from the spy pics maybe about 4000 pounds...the 335 weighs 3550 fully loaded....
problem is...the TL will have a huge weight deficit...judging from the spy pics maybe about 4000 pounds...the 335 weighs 3550 fully loaded....
05-02-2008, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
Even if they squeeze a little more out, it'll be around 280-285....which is more than any of the competition except the 335.
3.2 NSX motor - 290HP
3.2 TL motor - 270 HP
I used the old system as the NSX motor used the old rating system. But 20 HP is still 20HP. If the TL did get the J37 in a DOHC form that his tuned better and has lighter moving parts inside, it could get up dare I say, 350HP.
05-02-2008, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fyre Man
true...
problem is...the TL will have a huge weight deficit...judging from the spy pics maybe about 4000 pounds...the 335 weighs 3550 fully loaded....
problem is...the TL will have a huge weight deficit...judging from the spy pics maybe about 4000 pounds...the 335 weighs 3550 fully loaded....
05-02-2008, 09:10 PM
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true...
problem is...the TL will have a huge weight deficit...judging from the spy pics maybe about 4000 pounds...the 335 weighs 3550 fully loaded....
problem is...the TL will have a huge weight deficit...judging from the spy pics maybe about 4000 pounds...the 335 weighs 3550 fully loaded....
05-02-2008, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
there is no aspec package for the new tsx. Only an optional body kit and wheels. Neither of which are on this car shown above.
It's just a tsx photoshoped to have different wheels. It's a ridiculously bad job too. I can't believe C&D would even waste the ink on this. They must be despirate to fill up their mag with "news"
It's just a tsx photoshoped to have different wheels. It's a ridiculously bad job too. I can't believe C&D would even waste the ink on this. They must be despirate to fill up their mag with "news"
05-02-2008, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
Exactly, which is one of the biggest things that scares me about the car
worst-case scenario: '09 TL is a fugly, porky, expensive, non-manual barge.
Best-case scenario: '09 TL is a sporty, SH-AWD high-powered monster that shreds the competition...I can dream, can't I?
I just wish there would be a lighter, smaller, sportier CL to ease these worries.
05-02-2008, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by stillhere153
YES THERE IS A TSX ASPEC PACKAGE.... if I could find it I would post it here... but I cant find it