2009 Acura TL/CL Type-S-Merged Threads-All 2009 topics will be merged here
11-24-2007, 01:52 AM
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HP are not what drive people to buy cars. Just look at the Germans, their heavy sellers are cars in the sub 250 HP range up to the 5series/E class. Otherwise, why not get one of these american hot rods with 350+ HP that can go 0-60mph in sub 6 range?
Yeah, styling sells more than anything else, hence why Audi came out of the wood works and has sold so much better than they used to. In the mid 90s I used to never see Audis now they're all over. Imo people want to look the part, even if they can't preform.
11-24-2007, 02:03 AM
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Yeah, styling sells more than anything else, hence why Audi came out of the wood works and has sold so much better than they used to. In the mid 90s I used to never see Audis now they're all over. Imo people want to look the part, even if they can't preform.
Definitely makes sense
11-24-2007, 01:00 PM
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^^That's why to the chagrin or surprise of many auto enthusiasts or auto mag reviewers, the current generation TL has been such a sales winner. Sure, from a purist stand point because it's not RWD it does not belong in the club with G, IS, 3, or C. However, Acura hit a home run on the styling and interior. The driving dynamics is more than competent. The torque steer they like to complain about is non existent in real world driving and only an issue if one pushes the car to the limit. That is why the TL was the 3rd best selling entre level lux behind the lexus RX and 3-series from 04-07. Now that most of the competition has come out with new models it's sales have dropped just a bit.
If Acura is able to not screw up the new design it will be a hit even if it's doesn't have +300hp.
If Acura is able to not screw up the new design it will be a hit even if it's doesn't have +300hp.
11-24-2007, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JAB00
^^That's why to the chagrin or surprise of many auto enthusiasts or auto mag reviewers, the current generation TL has been such a sales winner. Sure, from a purist stand point because it's not RWD it does not belong in the club with G, IS, 3, or C. However, Acura hit a home run on the styling and interior. The driving dynamics is more than competent. The torque steer they like to complain about is non existent in real world driving and only an issue if one pushes the car to the limit. That is why the TL was the 3rd best selling entre level lux behind the lexus RX and 3-series from 04-07. Now that most of the competition has come out with new models it's sales have dropped just a bit.
If Acura is able to not screw up the new design it will be a hit even if it's doesn't have +300hp.
If Acura is able to not screw up the new design it will be a hit even if it's doesn't have +300hp.
11-24-2007, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JAB00
^^That's why to the chagrin or surprise of many auto enthusiasts or auto mag reviewers, the current generation TL has been such a sales winner. Sure, from a purist stand point because it's not RWD it does not belong in the club with G, IS, 3, or C. However, Acura hit a home run on the styling and interior. The driving dynamics is more than competent. The torque steer they like to complain about is non existent in real world driving and only an issue if one pushes the car to the limit. That is why the TL was the 3rd best selling entre level lux behind the lexus RX and 3-series from 04-07. Now that most of the competition has come out with new models it's sales have dropped just a bit.
If Acura is able to not screw up the new design it will be a hit even if it's doesn't have +300hp.
If Acura is able to not screw up the new design it will be a hit even if it's doesn't have +300hp.
couldnt agree more....
11-25-2007, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JAB00
^^That's why to the chagrin or surprise of many auto enthusiasts or auto mag reviewers, the current generation TL has been such a sales winner. Sure, from a purist stand point because it's not RWD it does not belong in the club with G, IS, 3, or C. However, Acura hit a home run on the styling and interior. The driving dynamics is more than competent. The torque steer they like to complain about is non existent in real world driving and only an issue if one pushes the car to the limit. That is why the TL was the 3rd best selling entre level lux behind the lexus RX and 3-series from 04-07. Now that most of the competition has come out with new models it's sales have dropped just a bit.
If Acura is able to not screw up the new design it will be a hit even if it's doesn't have +300hp.
If Acura is able to not screw up the new design it will be a hit even if it's doesn't have +300hp.
+3 on this....TL is a winner....
I can't wait to test drive a 4G TL. I am loving my modded RL, but only time will tell whether I keep the RL, come back to the TL camp, trade for the upcoming new RL, or leave the Acura camp altogether for a BMW 545i......now that there's also a significant change coming for the RL next year AND the new TL's coming next year, all bets are off.
11-25-2007, 08:34 PM
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I can't wait for the 4G TL either. I bought my '04 four years ago next month, still under 15k miles and never a problem (except the poor Bridgestones which I replaced at 10k miles with Michelin Pilot Sports). In the event the new TL isn't the hit that the 3G has been, I'm looking closely at the BMW 335i. I've considered an RL at times but they're not for me.
11-25-2007, 09:16 PM
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type in 2009 acura tl....
you can see some spy photos...looks bigger and bulkier...Grille also looks more futuristic
type in 2009 acura tl....
you can see some spy photos...looks bigger and bulkier...Grille also looks more futuristic
11-25-2007, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by acurasofla
I can't wait for the 4G TL either. I bought my '04 four years ago next month, still under 15k miles and never a problem (except the poor Bridgestones which I replaced at 10k miles with Michelin Pilot Sports). In the event the new TL isn't the hit that the 3G has been, I'm looking closely at the BMW 335i. I've considered an RL at times but they're not for me.
I like the 335i but I am waiting to see the 135i and the 4G Acura. I have never considered an RL. They are too big, heavy, and expensive for my sporting taste. The styling is too conservative also. I am sure they are very comfortable and easy riding.
11-25-2007, 10:25 PM
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Same here. I bought in April '04 and have only 11k. I still have the Bridgestones and have had no problem with them (except for a nail).
I like the 335i but I am waiting to see the 135i and the 4G Acura. I have never considered an RL. They are too big, heavy, and expensive for my sporting taste. The styling is too conservative also. I am sure they are very comfortable and easy riding.
I like the 335i but I am waiting to see the 135i and the 4G Acura. I have never considered an RL. They are too big, heavy, and expensive for my sporting taste. The styling is too conservative also. I am sure they are very comfortable and easy riding.
11-27-2007, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by krio
The RL will get a refresh next summer, maybe stronger engine e roomier. Read the article on egmcartech or motorauthority.
Remember Acura big boss told few months ago Acura will be like Aston and Mayback??
It's funny.
But the next gen. RL has to be like a LS/A8/S/bmw 7... Let's see...
Remember Acura big boss told few months ago Acura will be like Aston and Mayback??
It's funny.
But the next gen. RL has to be like a LS/A8/S/bmw 7... Let's see...
11-27-2007, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ultimate_ed
But, really, what reason is there to buy a 2008 TL now? Nipping at the low end, the Accord V6 is putting down as much power as the base TL for several thousand less. On the upper end, the TL-S is pushing $38K and in that range I think the new G35 and CTS offer a whole lot more for the money.
I really hope that Acura can hit a home run with this new TL. But, the bar is a lot higher in the $40K 300HP world of the G and CTS, among others.
Right now, those two are my top candidates for a next car, but I'm holding off to see what kind of big guns Acura can bring out for the next round. Everyone else from Cadillac, Infinity, BMW, Mercedes and shortly Audi have shown their hands. Acura has no excuses to miss the mark.
I've been driving an Accord for better than 10 years now, so I'm hopeful for Acura.
I really hope that Acura can hit a home run with this new TL. But, the bar is a lot higher in the $40K 300HP world of the G and CTS, among others.
Right now, those two are my top candidates for a next car, but I'm holding off to see what kind of big guns Acura can bring out for the next round. Everyone else from Cadillac, Infinity, BMW, Mercedes and shortly Audi have shown their hands. Acura has no excuses to miss the mark.
I've been driving an Accord for better than 10 years now, so I'm hopeful for Acura.
11-27-2007, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by carguyrob
Don't buy into the belief that the CTS is a direct competitor to the TL or G. A friend of mine just traded his '03 CTS in on a loaded '08 CTS. That set him back $49,600 with no discount off that price at all! A CTS equipped just like a TL-S will set you back about $10K additional. And get this...they still don't offer bluetooth in the car! You have to use OnStar for cell service. Come on GM!
For now, the market says the CTS is a competitor to the G, TL, 3, A4, C, etc. It's true the bluetooth omission is a disappointment and one of the many reasons I'm holding off for another model year or so before I get a new vehicle.
While the CTS will cost more than a TL-S, I think $10K is a stretch. Also, people are getting discounts on the MSRP, but it is a hot car right now.
11-27-2007, 11:58 AM
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Those tail lights look wayyyy too high up 
Anyways, I think its pretty much confirmed that there is a rear differential due to the way the exhaust piping looks like its going around something
Anyways, I think its pretty much confirmed that there is a rear differential due to the way the exhaust piping looks like its going around something
11-27-2007, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ultimate_ed
For now, the market says the CTS is a competitor to the G, TL, 3, A4, C, etc. It's true the bluetooth omission is a disappointment and one of the many reasons I'm holding off for another model year or so before I get a new vehicle.
While the CTS will cost more than a TL-S, I think $10K is a stretch. Also, people are getting discounts on the MSRP, but it is a hot car right now.
While the CTS will cost more than a TL-S, I think $10K is a stretch. Also, people are getting discounts on the MSRP, but it is a hot car right now.
I priced out a similar CTS on the Cadillac website and it does run about $46-47K.
11-27-2007, 07:24 PM
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i think the cts compares with the rl rather than the TL.
11-27-2007, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by csmeance
i think the cts compares with the rl rather than the TL.
I got my acura "style" mag the other day. The article about the VP of Acura, whatever his name is, said that Acura dealers who have sampled the future line-up are "very excited" about up-coming Acura cars... I hope..
11-27-2007, 07:57 PM
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I'm gonna go ahead and call it.... 4th gen TL is equipped with SH-AWD or atleast it's going to be an option. The exhaust piping gives it away.
11-27-2007, 08:52 PM
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next gen-CL
i think that we all could rest assure that the new TL is going to be a hit. with infiniti G coupes and Bimmer coupes flying off of their lots, Acura surely has taken notice. there will be a next gen CL based on Accord coupe, prob with AWD.
Problem is, with today's TL weighing in at 3550+ lbs, we could bet that we will have a major weight issure with our next gen TL/CL. I think it will hit the scales a little over 3800 lbs, which means we can forget about the 28 mpg that some of us are able to acheive now. hopefully acura will upgrade to the 3.7 liter v6 and a 6speed auto or manual to offset the weight gain. the day a TL/CL pushes 3800 lbs. is the day i buy myself a Bimmer 135 coupe.
Problem is, with today's TL weighing in at 3550+ lbs, we could bet that we will have a major weight issure with our next gen TL/CL. I think it will hit the scales a little over 3800 lbs, which means we can forget about the 28 mpg that some of us are able to acheive now. hopefully acura will upgrade to the 3.7 liter v6 and a 6speed auto or manual to offset the weight gain. the day a TL/CL pushes 3800 lbs. is the day i buy myself a Bimmer 135 coupe.
11-27-2007, 09:04 PM
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3800+ lb's 4TH GEN TL?>?!?
honda was once known for building lightweight, efficient, and fun to drive vehciles. The auto industry, including Honda, has a habit of introducing 150+ pounds to every new generation of vehicles. Does this mean that the 4th gen TL will be 3700+lbs even before AWD is added? It seems the consensus on the 4th gen Tl, is that it will be offered with SH-AWD so we will just add another 150-200 pounds for AWD. my estimates are that the new AWD TL and possible CL will be 3900 lbs. basically, we are getting a less expensive RL for the TL price.
long live lightweight and tossable honda/acuras. ill pass and hold onto my 03 CL that gets 28mpg regularly. why cant Acura just create a competitor for the new Bimmer 135 coupe that would appeal to enthusiasts?
long live lightweight and tossable honda/acuras. ill pass and hold onto my 03 CL that gets 28mpg regularly. why cant Acura just create a competitor for the new Bimmer 135 coupe that would appeal to enthusiasts?
11-27-2007, 09:08 PM
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You should post this one in the big 4th gen thread.
Anyway, by no means is the BMW 135I on the light side. If you compare it to the TL then of course it's lighter. Also, the 135I starts around $36k and with a fully loaded one, you are looking at $50k. No thanks.
Anyway, by no means is the BMW 135I on the light side. If you compare it to the TL then of course it's lighter. Also, the 135I starts around $36k and with a fully loaded one, you are looking at $50k. No thanks.
11-27-2007, 09:15 PM
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a fully loaded one does not cost $50k. a fully loaded 335i i got is only not even 50k. was only 48k. but i had a 3k discount so it was only $45k 2008 335i 4door fully loaded = $45k.
11-27-2007, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TwinTurbo335
a fully loaded one does not cost $50k. a fully loaded 335i i got is only not even 50k. was only 48k. but i had a 3k discount so it was only $45k 2008 335i 4door fully loaded = $45k.
^ WORD
11-27-2007, 09:18 PM
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TL is a performance luxury Sedan... Not a sports car. Any car of it's size id gonna be heavy. You want smaller/lighter... You need a Civic Si or RSX.
Additional features and systems add weight, thats the priveledge of having new technology, safer frames, and more airbags... again... it's not a sportscar.
What makes you think you're gonna get a lesser RL for a TL price. If the TL comes with AWD and other features... The price is going up. Look how much the TL-S added... +$4K MSRP for some aestetic changes an .3L of engine. Add another $4K for AWD if it comes.
The new G37 is 3700 lbs BTW.
Additional features and systems add weight, thats the priveledge of having new technology, safer frames, and more airbags... again... it's not a sportscar.
What makes you think you're gonna get a lesser RL for a TL price. If the TL comes with AWD and other features... The price is going up. Look how much the TL-S added... +$4K MSRP for some aestetic changes an .3L of engine. Add another $4K for AWD if it comes.
The new G37 is 3700 lbs BTW.
11-27-2007, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TwinTurbo335
well a 5k does make a difference.. i am assuming a fully loaded 135i is about 45k Before discounts.
Here's a article.
http://duggmirror.com/motorsport/BMW...i_at_35k_PICS/
"Pricing for the 135i starts at $35,675 -- very close to what's been rumored since its unveiling in Frankfurt. While that's certainly on the high side of things, it's not until you start optioning up the coupe that things get out of hand. REALLY out of hand. Tick the box for an automatic, and you're up another $1,275. Want the paddle shifters? Tack on another $100. The premium package boosts it up another $3,300; navigation with iDrive, $2,100. And on, and on, and on. The only thing missing is the price of the rarified air in the cabin, but BMW was nice enough to provide the windshield for free.
Bottom line: if you MAX-OUT the 135i, you're looking at over $52,000. Considering that a base 3-series comes in at around $32k (stripped), you'd better be very confident with your decision to be the first on your block to sport BMW's new hotness."
11-27-2007, 09:30 PM
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By the way I have some pictures of the 135i from the San Francisco Auto Show. I didn't really like it. I definitely prefer the 3 series at that price. The pictures are uploading right now.
11-27-2007, 09:35 PM
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im guessing the 1 series is more expensive than the 3 series? but i dont see what else they can get besides the idrive, premium, sports, cold weather package, and automatic tranny would probably max out at 45k. but i agree BMW are stingy about everything and the price for BMW are sky rocketing because of the high demand in the newer cars. the twin turbos.
11-28-2007, 01:36 AM
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Although SH-AWD or RWD would be nice, I strongly believe that the next generation TL will in fact remain a FWD. And this isn't really a bad thing as most people would tend to believe. Honda/Acura has come a long way to almost perfecting the FWD. Even with the front wheels having to multi-task when corning or spirited driving, Acuras still handle very well.
