Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
#362
man, who was the funny bastard that responded to one of the noobs that started a "I really want to beat my friend's IS350...who makes a turbo or chip..." thread a little while back:
-[noob] "hey guys. I'm new to the forum and want to add some power and smoke my buddy in his IS 350. Is there a turbo kit or chip I can buy?"
-[veteran] "Here's what you do. Go down to the nearest Subaru or Mitsubishi dealership and trade your TL in for an STI or EVO..."
that's butchered, but those that read it remember how funny it was.
-[noob] "hey guys. I'm new to the forum and want to add some power and smoke my buddy in his IS 350. Is there a turbo kit or chip I can buy?"
-[veteran] "Here's what you do. Go down to the nearest Subaru or Mitsubishi dealership and trade your TL in for an STI or EVO..."
that's butchered, but those that read it remember how funny it was.
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The car was trailered 400 miles. The reason he traveled that far is because that is where the guy who is tuning the car is located. Give him time, He's done way more than most have tried. R&D takes time and you will ecounter a whole bunch of speed bumps.
#364
I am still going to call this guy tomorrow and try to meet up with him .. I still applaud them for trying to do what alot of people havent done or say CANT be done. Like he said, lots of things happen during the R&D process. For example, the first time I swapped motors in my civic.. IT TOOK ME 6 MONTHS to get it completely issue free!! I had no idea what I was doing haha.. but in the end it was running awesome.. When I talked to him he did say that he doesnt like this site sometimes because of all the naysayers.. I agree with him in that regard sometimes.. At least they are doing more then anyone else has tried. Takes alot of money and time to come out with a turbo kit that is marketable!
#365
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I am still going to call this guy tomorrow and try to meet up with him .. I still applaud them for trying to do what alot of people havent done or say CANT be done. Like he said, lots of things happen during the R&D process. For example, the first time I swapped motors in my civic.. IT TOOK ME 6 MONTHS to get it completely issue free!! I had no idea what I was doing haha.. but in the end it was running awesome.. When I talked to him he did say that he doesnt like this site sometimes because of all the naysayers.. I agree with him in that regard sometimes.. At least they are doing more then anyone else has tried. Takes alot of money and time to come out with a turbo kit that is marketable!
When I started my set up, I was hoping to Max out my expenses around 3,5k or 4k. At this time, I'm at $5600 and counting. And being at nit freak, I won't take anything but a fully operational car. In this process, I pissed my wife off more than once, had to postpone some bills payment, got call an asshole by someone in this forum, but once the product is finish, everyone will be calling me or us the Man and expect us to forget everything we went through.
Some people like to make comment but will never initiate anything while others talk the talk and walk the walk. This should be a team work cause we all could and will benefit from a complete success. When I had my Acura Legend and belong to the legend forum, I had to deal with a lot of negative thinker. They never want to be the first to take a risk. But went parts were available, they were the first to get them. After a while, you get tired of it, and keep things to ourself or to a very limited circle.
By the way " Yes We Can". It's not easy, but "We Can". Now Go Figure.
#366
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I really respect and appreciate your input. People in this forum should be more like you and some others.
When I started my set up, I was hoping to Max out my expenses around 3,5k or 4k. At this time, I'm at $5600 and counting. And being at nit freak, I won't take anything but a fully operational car. In this process, I pissed my wife off more than once, had to postpone some bills payment, got call an asshole by someone in this forum, but once the product is finish, everyone will be calling me or us the Man and expect us to forget everything we went through.
Some people like to make comment but will never initiate anything while others talk the talk and walk the walk. This should be a team work cause we all could and will benefit from a complete success. When I had my Acura Legend and belong to the legend forum, I had to deal with a lot of negative thinker. They never want to be the first to take a risk. But went parts were available, they were the first to get them. After a while, you get tired of it, and keep things to ourself or to a very limited circle.
By the way " Yes We Can". It's not easy, but "We Can". Now Go Figure.
When I started my set up, I was hoping to Max out my expenses around 3,5k or 4k. At this time, I'm at $5600 and counting. And being at nit freak, I won't take anything but a fully operational car. In this process, I pissed my wife off more than once, had to postpone some bills payment, got call an asshole by someone in this forum, but once the product is finish, everyone will be calling me or us the Man and expect us to forget everything we went through.
Some people like to make comment but will never initiate anything while others talk the talk and walk the walk. This should be a team work cause we all could and will benefit from a complete success. When I had my Acura Legend and belong to the legend forum, I had to deal with a lot of negative thinker. They never want to be the first to take a risk. But went parts were available, they were the first to get them. After a while, you get tired of it, and keep things to ourself or to a very limited circle.
By the way " Yes We Can". It's not easy, but "We Can". Now Go Figure.
But keep it going and I think I speak for all when I say... we all want to see you succeed.
#367
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I really respect and appreciate your input. People in this forum should be more like you and some others.
When I started my set up, I was hoping to Max out my expenses around 3,5k or 4k. At this time, I'm at $5600 and counting. And being at nit freak, I won't take anything but a fully operational car. In this process, I pissed my wife off more than once, had to postpone some bills payment, got call an asshole by someone in this forum, but once the product is finish, everyone will be calling me or us the Man and expect us to forget everything we went through.
Some people like to make comment but will never initiate anything while others talk the talk and walk the walk. This should be a team work cause we all could and will benefit from a complete success. When I had my Acura Legend and belong to the legend forum, I had to deal with a lot of negative thinker. They never want to be the first to take a risk. But went parts were available, they were the first to get them. After a while, you get tired of it, and keep things to ourself or to a very limited circle.
By the way " Yes We Can". It's not easy, but "We Can". Now Go Figure.
When I started my set up, I was hoping to Max out my expenses around 3,5k or 4k. At this time, I'm at $5600 and counting. And being at nit freak, I won't take anything but a fully operational car. In this process, I pissed my wife off more than once, had to postpone some bills payment, got call an asshole by someone in this forum, but once the product is finish, everyone will be calling me or us the Man and expect us to forget everything we went through.
Some people like to make comment but will never initiate anything while others talk the talk and walk the walk. This should be a team work cause we all could and will benefit from a complete success. When I had my Acura Legend and belong to the legend forum, I had to deal with a lot of negative thinker. They never want to be the first to take a risk. But went parts were available, they were the first to get them. After a while, you get tired of it, and keep things to ourself or to a very limited circle.
By the way " Yes We Can". It's not easy, but "We Can". Now Go Figure.
pm me if you ever need anything man!
#368
A J35A8 EG civic is in
No problem man.. I was just getting sick of the pissing and moaning going on here, when there are people in this thread that are giving good input as far as how to maybe getting this to work.. and again I appauld you for being one of the pioneers in getting a turbo setup working for the TL.. I know the things you go through getting something like this working.. went through with it, with my civic.. my gf and I had sooo many meltdowns along the way haha.. but keep doing what you are doing and hopefully you can get it running perfect! Just post the issues you are having and maybe someone on this forum will help instead of crying about why it is taking so long.
pm me if you ever need anything man!
pm me if you ever need anything man!
So basically what Im saying is if you cooperated, then we would too.
#369
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Come on guys... If a V8 Lexus LS430 with more advanced electronics and modules can get turbo charged... and tuned with an AEM FIC-8... So can we...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT88A7pRxCM
BTW... That Car is SICK!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT88A7pRxCM
BTW... That Car is SICK!!!
#370
before asking "where are all the TL turbo guys" you have to look at what's already been done. the Comptech SC is there but it is limited and has nothing to aid the oem ECM.
if you like the hassle and challenge then with time and $$$ anything is possible. i think if i were taking on this project i would 1st get a TL motor w/ ECM to play around with in the shop, etc, learn what you can and cannot do, rebuild as needed, fab a turbo in, run 1-5psi with nothing extra, then start mucking around with piggybacks and aux fuel injectors and start upping the psi. then after its all ready, figure out a way to stuff it all back into the TL engine bay.
as a prototype i would perhaps build it using a standalone ECM using a Megasquirt.
and dont forget, the motor is just 1pc of the puzzle, you still have drivetrain to worry about.
Last edited by Turbo_Kid; 05-08-2009 at 09:53 AM.
#371
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hey guys,
As a lot of you already know. We helped develop this turbo kit with J & R. We built the manifold, intercooler piping, and down pipe. The car starts up and runs fine, the only problem he has run into so far is that the boomslang conversion harness is not wired up correctly. Even if the car was still naturally aspirated the car still wouldn't start with the boomslang harness, because they didn't wire it correctly.
If any of you are still confused on why he didn't realize the car wouldn't start until he reached there is because once you install big injectors in a car, you need the get the computer programmed to be able to start and idle with a big injector. Otherwise the car will be to rich and will keep shutting off. Then you will foul out the spark plugs, etc.
Once he gets the harness back, he should be able to get the car tuned.
As a lot of you already know. We helped develop this turbo kit with J & R. We built the manifold, intercooler piping, and down pipe. The car starts up and runs fine, the only problem he has run into so far is that the boomslang conversion harness is not wired up correctly. Even if the car was still naturally aspirated the car still wouldn't start with the boomslang harness, because they didn't wire it correctly.
If any of you are still confused on why he didn't realize the car wouldn't start until he reached there is because once you install big injectors in a car, you need the get the computer programmed to be able to start and idle with a big injector. Otherwise the car will be to rich and will keep shutting off. Then you will foul out the spark plugs, etc.
Once he gets the harness back, he should be able to get the car tuned.
#372
hey guys,
As a lot of you already know. We helped develop this turbo kit with J & R. We built the manifold, intercooler piping, and down pipe. The car starts up and runs fine, the only problem he has run into so far is that the boomslang conversion harness is not wired up correctly. Even if the car was still naturally aspirated the car still wouldn't start with the boomslang harness, because they didn't wire it correctly.
If any of you are still confused on why he didn't realize the car wouldn't start until he reached there is because once you install big injectors in a car, you need the get the computer programmed to be able to start and idle with a big injector. Otherwise the car will be to rich and will keep shutting off. Then you will foul out the spark plugs, etc.
Once he gets the harness back, he should be able to get the car tuned.
As a lot of you already know. We helped develop this turbo kit with J & R. We built the manifold, intercooler piping, and down pipe. The car starts up and runs fine, the only problem he has run into so far is that the boomslang conversion harness is not wired up correctly. Even if the car was still naturally aspirated the car still wouldn't start with the boomslang harness, because they didn't wire it correctly.
If any of you are still confused on why he didn't realize the car wouldn't start until he reached there is because once you install big injectors in a car, you need the get the computer programmed to be able to start and idle with a big injector. Otherwise the car will be to rich and will keep shutting off. Then you will foul out the spark plugs, etc.
Once he gets the harness back, he should be able to get the car tuned.
#373
Racer
hey guys,
As a lot of you already know. We helped develop this turbo kit with J & R. We built the manifold, intercooler piping, and down pipe. The car starts up and runs fine, the only problem he has run into so far is that the boomslang conversion harness is not wired up correctly. Even if the car was still naturally aspirated the car still wouldn't start with the boomslang harness, because they didn't wire it correctly.
If any of you are still confused on why he didn't realize the car wouldn't start until he reached there is because once you install big injectors in a car, you need the get the computer programmed to be able to start and idle with a big injector. Otherwise the car will be to rich and will keep shutting off. Then you will foul out the spark plugs, etc.
Once he gets the harness back, he should be able to get the car tuned.
As a lot of you already know. We helped develop this turbo kit with J & R. We built the manifold, intercooler piping, and down pipe. The car starts up and runs fine, the only problem he has run into so far is that the boomslang conversion harness is not wired up correctly. Even if the car was still naturally aspirated the car still wouldn't start with the boomslang harness, because they didn't wire it correctly.
If any of you are still confused on why he didn't realize the car wouldn't start until he reached there is because once you install big injectors in a car, you need the get the computer programmed to be able to start and idle with a big injector. Otherwise the car will be to rich and will keep shutting off. Then you will foul out the spark plugs, etc.
Once he gets the harness back, he should be able to get the car tuned.
One thing I'm confused about is that, I thought he said he had 400 miles on the car? Or was that on the trailer the entire time?
#374
A J35A8 EG civic is in
hey guys,
As a lot of you already know. We helped develop this turbo kit with J & R. We built the manifold, intercooler piping, and down pipe. The car starts up and runs fine, the only problem he has run into so far is that the boomslang conversion harness is not wired up correctly. Even if the car was still naturally aspirated the car still wouldn't start with the boomslang harness, because they didn't wire it correctly.
If any of you are still confused on why he didn't realize the car wouldn't start until he reached there is because once you install big injectors in a car, you need the get the computer programmed to be able to start and idle with a big injector. Otherwise the car will be to rich and will keep shutting off. Then you will foul out the spark plugs, etc.
Once he gets the harness back, he should be able to get the car tuned.
As a lot of you already know. We helped develop this turbo kit with J & R. We built the manifold, intercooler piping, and down pipe. The car starts up and runs fine, the only problem he has run into so far is that the boomslang conversion harness is not wired up correctly. Even if the car was still naturally aspirated the car still wouldn't start with the boomslang harness, because they didn't wire it correctly.
If any of you are still confused on why he didn't realize the car wouldn't start until he reached there is because once you install big injectors in a car, you need the get the computer programmed to be able to start and idle with a big injector. Otherwise the car will be to rich and will keep shutting off. Then you will foul out the spark plugs, etc.
Once he gets the harness back, he should be able to get the car tuned.
#377
hey guys,
As a lot of you already know. We helped develop this turbo kit with J & R. We built the manifold, intercooler piping, and down pipe. The car starts up and runs fine, the only problem he has run into so far is that the boomslang conversion harness is not wired up correctly. Even if the car was still naturally aspirated the car still wouldn't start with the boomslang harness, because they didn't wire it correctly.
If any of you are still confused on why he didn't realize the car wouldn't start until he reached there is because once you install big injectors in a car, you need the get the computer programmed to be able to start and idle with a big injector. Otherwise the car will be to rich and will keep shutting off. Then you will foul out the spark plugs, etc.
Once he gets the harness back, he should be able to get the car tuned.
As a lot of you already know. We helped develop this turbo kit with J & R. We built the manifold, intercooler piping, and down pipe. The car starts up and runs fine, the only problem he has run into so far is that the boomslang conversion harness is not wired up correctly. Even if the car was still naturally aspirated the car still wouldn't start with the boomslang harness, because they didn't wire it correctly.
If any of you are still confused on why he didn't realize the car wouldn't start until he reached there is because once you install big injectors in a car, you need the get the computer programmed to be able to start and idle with a big injector. Otherwise the car will be to rich and will keep shutting off. Then you will foul out the spark plugs, etc.
Once he gets the harness back, he should be able to get the car tuned.
#381
Team Owner
My car came stock with 28lb/hr injectors, I'm running 60lb/hr with stock like idle and drivability. I would run a large shot of meth (which I do) before going the aux injector route.
#384
Not really. The best way is with larger injectors and pull the pulsewidth back for idle and off boost conditions. Auxiliary injectors are 1) A band-aid 2) Used in the old days when a large enough injector could not be found. There's just no reason to go that route anymore.
My car came stock with 28lb/hr injectors, I'm running 60lb/hr with stock like idle and drivability. I would run a large shot of meth (which I do) before going the aux injector route.
My car came stock with 28lb/hr injectors, I'm running 60lb/hr with stock like idle and drivability. I would run a large shot of meth (which I do) before going the aux injector route.
#387
One thing you guys might want to look at for turbo apps is instead of the FIC-6, look at a FIC-8. The FIC-8 adds two more injector drivers(which at least on the forums some have used for water/meth injection), IAT monitoring, and a intergrated 40PSI boost controller.
#388
Drifting
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Thanks...
1. Is that the stock radiator ?
2. Does the intercooler cause a noticible increase in engine temp seeing its blocking 75% of the radiator.
3. Does the intercooler pipes get hot ? And if so, will they get hot enough to melt the bumper cover?
4. How is the traction control handling the added HP at hard takeoff ?
1. Is that the stock radiator ?
2. Does the intercooler cause a noticible increase in engine temp seeing its blocking 75% of the radiator.
3. Does the intercooler pipes get hot ? And if so, will they get hot enough to melt the bumper cover?
4. How is the traction control handling the added HP at hard takeoff ?
Ok since AcuraVic is the only one that posted questions for me I was able to ask Rodney these specific questions)
1. Is that the stock radiator ?
No, Rodney said that they are working to try and get some fans that will be included in the kit. They will be slim fans because of clearance issues. I asked him if they were FAL fans, but he said no.. they will be something better.. But, I guess he didn't want to say who exactly since he is still trying to get word back from them.
2. Does the intercooler cause a noticible increase in engine temp seeing its blocking 75% of the radiator.
He said no to this.
3. Does the intercooler pipes get hot ? And if so, will they get hot enough to melt the bumper cover?
He also, said no to this.
4. How is the traction control handling the added HP at hard takeoff ?
Since the car is only running on 1 psi until it gets tuned he does not know the answer to this question, since there is no real difference yet. He is running this car real easy since this is his only car.
Here are some other questions I asked him:
- What kind of exhaust are you running?
He is running a custom 3" magnaflow exhaust.
- How is the air flow to the intercooler with the bumper design?
He says that the bumper is designed to force air upward and through the area where the radio and the intercooler is. The shape of the plastic underpieces are what direct the air he said. He is also concerned about those with fog lights. He said that he may try and get different piping made for those people. SWEEET! since I have fogs!!
- What size turbo are you using now?
The turbo on the car now is 61 mm. He said that the kit will hopefully be upgradeable also. He was not sure if this specific turbo will be the one in the kit since he wanted to get the most efficient turbo with the kit. This will not be known until tuning is completed he said.
- Are you using an Air filter?
He said No. But he is planning to get either a 4 inch filter or a mesh.
Here are some other things he told me that I thought you guys might like to know.
- He is trying to use the AEM FC-1 (i believe that is what it is called)
- He just needs to get the harness in order to be able to tune with the AEM. He already sent the harness out to NVAAVC6. He said he gave him the tracking number already.
- He has driven the car over 400 miles the way it is now.
- P2R created the piping.
- He has also been working with Competition clutch to be able to get a clutch out there for us Manual TL drivers. He has over 1600 miles on this clutch right now. He also said that they will be creating a fly wheel. This clutch will be available through his company once R&D will be done. And then should be available from Competition within a year after the release through his company. WOOHOO!! This may be pricey though he said.
- He wanted a turbo mounted in the engine bay instead of below the car because he knew thats what more people would want and that he was not sure how to work with the turbo under the car. (because of issues with water and other things (i am assuming clearance issues as well))
- He also tried to get Vortech to create a supercharger for the TL, but they wanted to much money to R&D it. Money he thought would be better spent on building a custom turbo kit. I AGREE!
He sold his other car (a civic) to help pay for this.. He said he was well over 12k investing on this. I think that he is not only doing this for himself, but is happy to try and give us other TL owners hope of boosting our cars via a turbo.
Can't wait to meet him up tomorrow! I will be posting pics and a video up hopefully by tomorrow night! Let me know if you guys have any other questions or if there is anything specifc you want me to take a pic of!
to this guy!
RJ
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#390
Safety Car
Amazing
#392
94 DC4 RS LSV/Turbo
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its not the same as running a filter on a tube, its on the turbine, i am pretty sure he prob put a sock on there, besides its facing the opposite direction, no harm no fowl
#393
Team Owner
I had problems with my compressor wheel getting dull from running a K&N filter. Ended up going with the largest Amsoil filter I could find.
#394
practicing nihilist
It's pretty similar to aircraft jet turbine intakes and the compressor blades definitely erode from dust and dirt. Helicopter engines in the desert don't last very long.
#395
maybe a test to see what happens to compressor blades spinning in excess of 100k rpm's .....? the wheel tips must get hot just from the velocity friction with air!
#396
I know about that first hand from the first Gulf War, we had all kinds of fun keeping Appachies in the air......
#397
Team Owner
That's the main reason a larger turbo will show lower discharge temps, because the tip speed is reduced. It's amazing if you think about it how that wheel works. Air goes in the inducer (the part you can see with the filter off) and gets flung off the exducer centrifugally to make boost.
#398
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i posted a thread with pics of a 3rd gen turbo tl in the 3g photo gallery. its being built by p2r. i dont really have all the answers a tl owner would ask but i'll find out on wednesday.
#399
Burning Brakes
Thank you
J&R wants to thank everyone for their input, interest , concerns and patience, Special thanks to Richie , Special thanks to Paul . (av6).. Thanks for helping out when we needed you the most . Our boomslang harness has been shipped to Paul to get rewired correctly, scheduled to reach him Tuesday.
Bzyrice tried to meet up with me over the weekend to get a video update,but after last minute changes he ended going to another location than what we agreed on, not his fault u know how those family lunches go ...
But I'll try to answer most if not all the questions you guys might have about kit... And yes our kit will go into production as soon as all R&d and tuning is completed , and rest asure it will be 100% tested and functional
Bzyrice tried to meet up with me over the weekend to get a video update,but after last minute changes he ended going to another location than what we agreed on, not his fault u know how those family lunches go ...
But I'll try to answer most if not all the questions you guys might have about kit... And yes our kit will go into production as soon as all R&d and tuning is completed , and rest asure it will be 100% tested and functional
Last edited by pass427; 05-11-2009 at 11:13 AM.