Supercharging the TL
#322
Former Whiner
Sup y'all!
Ron- Badass!!
As for injectors, I ordered two sets and both sellers said they are OEM from their RSX-S but to maybe confirm Kennedy's post. One was from an 02 and 04.
You should get the ones I sent you flowed so you can confirm they are 310cc
Ron- Badass!!
As for injectors, I ordered two sets and both sellers said they are OEM from their RSX-S but to maybe confirm Kennedy's post. One was from an 02 and 04.
You should get the ones I sent you flowed so you can confirm they are 310cc
#324
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#326
Former Whyner
lol my bad didnt even see the last posts guess i have been driving a lot today.
Ok here is my impression...I thought it would be a night and day difference with losing traction and uncontrollable torque steer, but I guess i was sorta wrong. The first night about 10 mins after the install and with the lose belt i ran it up and down the neighborhood (not the best choice) but i had no front bumper and no hood so i wasnt trying to get pulled for that. It didnt feel strong at all and the reason was because the belt sucked...
Got the new belt a few hours later after hunting it down btw Autozone carries gates and good year belts incase anyone needs it. I threw the belt on and the lovely whine showed its face but i kinda felt the power just wasnt there.
Today kinda a different story it felt very quick and i seem to be at 90 before i know it in 3rd but I am having some surge issues here and there more low end than top end but my A/F gauge is pegged at 10.0 so i guess thats good but maybe not good.
Im thinking about pulling the ACM and rolling around without it and see what my AFR is. I have a member that will sell me his AEM fic w/the harness but no word on when he is ready to let it go.
I just love that normal driving you could forget its there and then when you need it the blower comes alive. Overall just after the base install of the SC with no tuning or any modification I give the satisfaction for the $$$ amount spent a 5/10...but with some tuning and no surge i would expect a 9/10 from this mod.
I have to work for the next 5 days straight 6a-6p so ill be on more and see if i can get a vid on the way home of the afr gauge and the acceleration and some surge lol but gonna pull the acm prob sunday night
Ok here is my impression...I thought it would be a night and day difference with losing traction and uncontrollable torque steer, but I guess i was sorta wrong. The first night about 10 mins after the install and with the lose belt i ran it up and down the neighborhood (not the best choice) but i had no front bumper and no hood so i wasnt trying to get pulled for that. It didnt feel strong at all and the reason was because the belt sucked...
Got the new belt a few hours later after hunting it down btw Autozone carries gates and good year belts incase anyone needs it. I threw the belt on and the lovely whine showed its face but i kinda felt the power just wasnt there.
Today kinda a different story it felt very quick and i seem to be at 90 before i know it in 3rd but I am having some surge issues here and there more low end than top end but my A/F gauge is pegged at 10.0 so i guess thats good but maybe not good.
Im thinking about pulling the ACM and rolling around without it and see what my AFR is. I have a member that will sell me his AEM fic w/the harness but no word on when he is ready to let it go.
I just love that normal driving you could forget its there and then when you need it the blower comes alive. Overall just after the base install of the SC with no tuning or any modification I give the satisfaction for the $$$ amount spent a 5/10...but with some tuning and no surge i would expect a 9/10 from this mod.
I have to work for the next 5 days straight 6a-6p so ill be on more and see if i can get a vid on the way home of the afr gauge and the acceleration and some surge lol but gonna pull the acm prob sunday night
Last edited by RonJonTL757; 03-16-2010 at 11:26 PM.
#328
Former Whyner
need to update btw from pro-cats to V2's, but yeah after i remove the ACM ill see how it runs then if its worse then ill take it to a shop or bring it to paul
#329
runnin a little boost
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Let the ECU get use to the blower. My car was not all there after my install, but after I got some miles it got much better. The ACM lowers the VTEC point to 4k which helps the engine makes better use of the boost. An AFR of 10 is pretty rich are you running the RSX injectors with no tune.?
#330
Former Whyner
Let the ECU get use to the blower. My car was not all there after my install, but after I got some miles it got much better. The ACM lowers the VTEC point to 4k which helps the engine makes better use of the boost. An AFR of 10 is pretty rich are you running the RSX injectors with no tune.?
#332
"Like None Other"
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NICE!! Congrats to you bro....the more time passes by I want this mod soo bad. I'm saving up as we speak! Its gonna b a while tho unless my tax return is something serious
AFR of 10.0 is pretty damn rich with the stock injectors!wats the afr @ idle and WOT? I would have it check out.
AFR of 10.0 is pretty damn rich with the stock injectors!wats the afr @ idle and WOT? I would have it check out.
#333
Former Whyner
NICE!! Congrats to you bro....the more time passes by I want this mod soo bad. I'm saving up as we speak! Its gonna b a while tho unless my tax return is something serious
AFR of 10.0 is pretty damn rich with the stock injectors!wats the afr @ idle and WOT? I would have it check out.
AFR of 10.0 is pretty damn rich with the stock injectors!wats the afr @ idle and WOT? I would have it check out.
idle is 14.4-15.1
normal is 13.8-14.9
WOT 10.0 lol
Ill add a video tonight when i get off work
#337
Former Whyner
It took is about 13 hours to complete but we were kinda bullshittin here and there...smoke breaks and chit chat crap.
The removing the fuel pump and crushing that piece was cake but you need a 4" C-clamp for that. I was working with a semi-half assed kit that was used so i was missing several bolts and a couple hoses and we still managed. A new kit should be easier.
#338
Former Whyner
#339
havnt read the entire thread, but why anyone would want 480hp and 400tq on a fwd is beyond me. 350hp will put out the same quarter mile with the amount of tq steer youll have with the turbo.
#340
runnin a little boost
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480 hp and tq will put you ahead of just about anything out there with the exception of heavily modified cars and with the amount of TQ the engine makes at low rpm's you can do it more easily.
People to this day still think the additional 100 hp and 80 TQ the supercharger makes will make the car a tq steer nightmare. It doesn't.
As far as drag, the turbo will show the blower crowd the tail lights everytime.
I have had many fast cars give up when the see how fast this car gets going will under boost.
Last edited by Hi speed; 03-17-2010 at 06:08 PM.
#341
Former Whyner
ya know it just occured to me that maybe my problem is that when we couldnt figure out how to wire the acm we never diconnected the computer when we connected it the right way...
*connected the acm wrong connected the battery and it didnt turn over
*removed the acm and it turned over
* called CT-E and they told us how to connect the the acm and we wired up the acm and it turned over and im running it currently.
maybe the cpu needs to be reset again?? any suggestions
Also waiting for the wife to get home as she has the flip and i need that to make a vid of the afr gauge tonight
*connected the acm wrong connected the battery and it didnt turn over
*removed the acm and it turned over
* called CT-E and they told us how to connect the the acm and we wired up the acm and it turned over and im running it currently.
maybe the cpu needs to be reset again?? any suggestions
Also waiting for the wife to get home as she has the flip and i need that to make a vid of the afr gauge tonight
#342
Green Machine
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ya know it just occured to me that maybe my problem is that when we couldnt figure out how to wire the acm we never diconnected the computer when we connected it the right way...
*connected the acm wrong connected the battery and it didnt turn over
*removed the acm and it turned over
* called CT-E and they told us how to connect the the acm and we wired up the acm and it turned over and im running it currently.
maybe the cpu needs to be reset again?? any suggestions
Also waiting for the wife to get home as she has the flip and i need that to make a vid of the afr gauge tonight
*connected the acm wrong connected the battery and it didnt turn over
*removed the acm and it turned over
* called CT-E and they told us how to connect the the acm and we wired up the acm and it turned over and im running it currently.
maybe the cpu needs to be reset again?? any suggestions
Also waiting for the wife to get home as she has the flip and i need that to make a vid of the afr gauge tonight
#344
Team Owner
Many times a car with lots of low end torque will be easier to launch than a car that has to rev to make power.
#345
347hp/300tq @ 4psi
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also, i dont know how you came to the conclusion they are putting 480hp down to the ground decently.....
do you honestly think this holds true with our platform? and have you personally ever tried to launch a 350+hp FWD car?? unless you have it set up strictly for the track, with custom front suspension etc,... more torque down low is not what you want
#346
Former Whyner
SC Vids
Would have posted this up last night but i litterally fell asleep holding my laptop waiting for the vids to finish processing on YT. Enjoy
Went out last night after 9 or so and just took some city driving vids. Didnt have the energy to go to the interstate. Couldnt really push it as much but you get the idea. CEL is on from the 1st gen defoulers as im getting a P0139 P0159 so its SC unrelated.
Vid shows startup and slow cruising a/f ratios following a little punch at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6j5o_fXWh0
This vid shows my lovely 10.0-10.4 a/f readout and normal driving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo8TUfTW_zM
Last vid shows just a walk around and the sound my fuel pump is making and it is louder than before with the 72 psi it should be flowing at. Sound of my engine bay (Yes i know i need a valve adjustment) but the PCD's amplify that x10. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEpMPjFaA0E
Comments & Suggestions good or bad welcome
Went out last night after 9 or so and just took some city driving vids. Didnt have the energy to go to the interstate. Couldnt really push it as much but you get the idea. CEL is on from the 1st gen defoulers as im getting a P0139 P0159 so its SC unrelated.
Vid shows startup and slow cruising a/f ratios following a little punch at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6j5o_fXWh0
This vid shows my lovely 10.0-10.4 a/f readout and normal driving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo8TUfTW_zM
Last vid shows just a walk around and the sound my fuel pump is making and it is louder than before with the 72 psi it should be flowing at. Sound of my engine bay (Yes i know i need a valve adjustment) but the PCD's amplify that x10. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEpMPjFaA0E
Comments & Suggestions good or bad welcome
#347
"Like None Other"
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nice! all that hard work looks to have paid off!
if you ever get some more $ maybe you can try this for gages if it may work for our cars--> http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...7185&highlight=
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=721173
other than being rich still, lookin good...any new discoveries on the rich WOT? how is are you engine mounts holding up?
if you ever get some more $ maybe you can try this for gages if it may work for our cars--> http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...7185&highlight=
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=721173
other than being rich still, lookin good...any new discoveries on the rich WOT? how is are you engine mounts holding up?
#348
traction mods?? please elighten me...
also, i dont know how you came to the conclusion they are putting 480hp down to the ground decently.....
do you honestly think this holds true with our platform? and have you personally ever tried to launch a 350+hp FWD car?? unless you have it set up strictly for the track, with custom front suspension etc,... more torque down low is not what you want
also, i dont know how you came to the conclusion they are putting 480hp down to the ground decently.....
do you honestly think this holds true with our platform? and have you personally ever tried to launch a 350+hp FWD car?? unless you have it set up strictly for the track, with custom front suspension etc,... more torque down low is not what you want
#349
Team Owner
Traction mods.... How about tires since no one has ever put a TL on tire. We know it will hook but all I hear is talk about broken parts yet no one has done it. If you guys are too chicken shit to put it on tire, you might as well get out of the racing game.
More low end torque is easier to modulate. You don't have to rev it to the sky with just the perfect amount of clutch slip and throttle to get a good launch. More low end allows you to be a little sloppier, it's not either spin or bog, there's a medium ground which allows you more room for error.
#350
J36Twingt28r's,nextgt30r
i completely agree with you here. a few of my buddies run a shop here in my hometown and they are currently building a time attack tsx. full custom cage and full custom turbo set up..they have unlimited potential, but they are keeping it at 350hp. i dont claim to have as much knowledge as my buddies, but it makes perfect sense to not need anything more. for the amount of money used for this turbo, id rather swap in a ls2 for the same cost if i was number chasing and wanted low end torque.
as far as traction mods im am not sure?? but im pretty sure the power can be put to the ground one way or another, i mean there are plenty of fwd civics pushing 500+ hp and they are light as f**k and still are able to run amazing 1/4 mile times. just take that power and put it in a heavier car and the car should be able to put the power down easier.
and lastly, i thought JR performance decided to ship the base tl turbo set for 370-380hp not 480 like they planned before, so putting the power to the ground shouldn't be a issue at first since it will be making slightly more power than the comptech, @ lower psi levels.
#351
J36Twingt28r's,nextgt30r
Because they said it didn't spin as bad as you would think.
Traction mods.... How about tires since no one has ever put a TL on tire. We know it will hook but all I hear is talk about broken parts yet no one has done it. If you guys are too chicken shit to put it on tire, you might as well get out of the racing game.
Yes I have launched a 350+hp FWD car. You're thinking in terms of absolute power not drivability.
More low end torque is easier to modulate. You don't have to rev it to the sky with just the perfect amount of clutch slip and throttle to get a good launch. More low end allows you to be a little sloppier, it's not either spin or bog, there's a medium ground which allows you more room for error.
Traction mods.... How about tires since no one has ever put a TL on tire. We know it will hook but all I hear is talk about broken parts yet no one has done it. If you guys are too chicken shit to put it on tire, you might as well get out of the racing game.
Yes I have launched a 350+hp FWD car. You're thinking in terms of absolute power not drivability.
More low end torque is easier to modulate. You don't have to rev it to the sky with just the perfect amount of clutch slip and throttle to get a good launch. More low end allows you to be a little sloppier, it's not either spin or bog, there's a medium ground which allows you more room for error.
#353
347hp/300tq @ 4psi
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nice vids ronjon! i have no idea why your running so rich, but better rich than lean i always say
until you get a good tune and get that a/f flattened out, your not going to feel its full potential. you have at least 25+hp in there to unlock
yes, anything over 350+hp is just plain silly to me too. when your building something, you have to know the cars limitations BEFORE you start thinking max power or learn along the way as your adding. not only does this platform suck to build on with its FWD limiitations, but the AM for stronger supporting mods isnt there for us too. you can go custom, but thats BIG $$$$
this is why im done chasing numbers myself. broken parts and no traction = no fun
what?? ive been running DR's at the track for over 5 years now... and after 250+ burnouts and launches over that span, ive learned a thing or two about our cars. i dont care how sticky your tires are, the weak point is in the control arms. your not going to get much traction if your wheel is bouncing back n forth in the wheel well like a damn pinball. like i said, unless its a dedicatated track star with a FULL custom front suspension, theres nothing we can do to launch successfully and put the power to the ground. the more hp and tq you have, the more difficult it becomes.. trust me on this.
here i am 4 transmissions deep, countless sets of axles, motor mounts, etc,.. can you really blame people for being chicken shit??
what kind of FWD with that kind of power have you launched? i believe you, im just curious
look, i know what your trying to say, but more torque isnt going to solve the problem. all your going to do is break more things and thats the ugly truth... besides, with the amount of power and insane torque that turbo kit produces, isits going to relegate the TL into nothing more than a freeway warrior. anything off the line to a medium roll, forgetaboutit.
until you get a good tune and get that a/f flattened out, your not going to feel its full potential. you have at least 25+hp in there to unlock
i completely agree with you here. a few of my buddies run a shop here in my hometown and they are currently building a time attack tsx. full custom cage and full custom turbo set up..they have unlimited potential, but they are keeping it at 350hp. i dont claim to have as much knowledge as my buddies, but it makes perfect sense to not need anything more. for the amount of money used for this turbo, id rather swap in a ls2 for the same cost if i was number chasing and wanted low end torque.
yes, anything over 350+hp is just plain silly to me too. when your building something, you have to know the cars limitations BEFORE you start thinking max power or learn along the way as your adding. not only does this platform suck to build on with its FWD limiitations, but the AM for stronger supporting mods isnt there for us too. you can go custom, but thats BIG $$$$
this is why im done chasing numbers myself. broken parts and no traction = no fun
here i am 4 transmissions deep, countless sets of axles, motor mounts, etc,.. can you really blame people for being chicken shit??
Yes I have launched a 350+hp FWD car. You're thinking in terms of absolute power not drivability.
More low end torque is easier to modulate. You don't have to rev it to the sky with just the perfect amount of clutch slip and throttle to get a good launch. More low end allows you to be a little sloppier, it's not either spin or bog, there's a medium ground which allows you more room for error.
More low end torque is easier to modulate. You don't have to rev it to the sky with just the perfect amount of clutch slip and throttle to get a good launch. More low end allows you to be a little sloppier, it's not either spin or bog, there's a medium ground which allows you more room for error.
what kind of FWD with that kind of power have you launched? i believe you, im just curious
look, i know what your trying to say, but more torque isnt going to solve the problem. all your going to do is break more things and thats the ugly truth... besides, with the amount of power and insane torque that turbo kit produces, isits going to relegate the TL into nothing more than a freeway warrior. anything off the line to a medium roll, forgetaboutit.
Last edited by 04accordcpe; 03-18-2010 at 03:25 PM.
#354
347hp/300tq @ 4psi
iTrader: (3)
as far as traction mods im am not sure?? but im pretty sure the power can be put to the ground one way or another, i mean there are plenty of fwd civics pushing 500+ hp and they are light as f**k and still are able to run amazing 1/4 mile times. just take that power and put it in a heavier car and the car should be able to put the power down easier..
example, my control arm bushings were shot, so i called energy suspension etc,.. for some stronger poly ones, but no luck. had to press the crappy factory rubber ones back in
shitty platform with relatively no AM support = our FAIL
#355
Former Whyner
nice! all that hard work looks to have paid off!
if you ever get some more $ maybe you can try this for gages if it may work for our cars--> http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...7185&highlight=
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=721173
other than being rich still, lookin good...any new discoveries on the rich WOT? how is are you engine mounts holding up?
if you ever get some more $ maybe you can try this for gages if it may work for our cars--> http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...7185&highlight=
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=721173
other than being rich still, lookin good...any new discoveries on the rich WOT? how is are you engine mounts holding up?
I want to take it to a shop so bad but i dont want to be throwing money on something simple... 25 more to unlock would be great, but no idea why im running lean huh
#356
Burning Brakes
First it was turbo kit cost 8k then it is been shipped with 480whp ...
None of the above true .......you can launch the tl there's a technique in everything you do to make it work , if a lot of people would learn how to launch the fwd it would help dumping the gas letting out the clutch definetly doesn't help either but just enough clutch slippage to control wheelspin will help .. Some poeple are lost as to what I just said but I hope ihc can explain better , and as far as breaking axles ect were riding the tl types on 20" wheel with enormous amount of power .. But I think a video of comparing the two power adders should make this interseting not just power but normal driveabilty in daily commute , I'm sure 04 accord wouldn't mind I'm hoping .
None of the above true .......you can launch the tl there's a technique in everything you do to make it work , if a lot of people would learn how to launch the fwd it would help dumping the gas letting out the clutch definetly doesn't help either but just enough clutch slippage to control wheelspin will help .. Some poeple are lost as to what I just said but I hope ihc can explain better , and as far as breaking axles ect were riding the tl types on 20" wheel with enormous amount of power .. But I think a video of comparing the two power adders should make this interseting not just power but normal driveabilty in daily commute , I'm sure 04 accord wouldn't mind I'm hoping .
#357
347hp/300tq @ 4psi
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First it was turbo kit cost 8k then it is been shipped with 480whp ...
None of the above true .......you can launch the tl there's a technique in everything you do to make it work , if a lot of people would learn how to launch the fwd it would help dumping the gas letting out the clutch definetly doesn't help either but just enough clutch slippage to control wheelspin will help .. Some poeple are lost as to what I just said but I hope ihc can explain better , and as far as breaking axles ect were riding the tl types on 20" wheel with enormous amount of power .. But I think a video of comparing the two power adders should make this interseting not just power but normal driveabilty in daily commute , I'm sure 04 accord wouldn't mind I'm hoping .
None of the above true .......you can launch the tl there's a technique in everything you do to make it work , if a lot of people would learn how to launch the fwd it would help dumping the gas letting out the clutch definetly doesn't help either but just enough clutch slippage to control wheelspin will help .. Some poeple are lost as to what I just said but I hope ihc can explain better , and as far as breaking axles ect were riding the tl types on 20" wheel with enormous amount of power .. But I think a video of comparing the two power adders should make this interseting not just power but normal driveabilty in daily commute , I'm sure 04 accord wouldn't mind I'm hoping .
have any of the turbo TL's track there cars yet? id love to see some videos and time slips to compare. as far as the launching, yes you can feather the clutch as you stated, but that technique wont yield 2.0 and below 60ft's, which is the most important stat for a good E/T.
like i said, its a suspension problem, not the lack of sticky tires or poor launching technique.
regarding the video, np how bout we both make some vids of our cars taking off from a dig and/or slow roll, down a long straight away. i want to get a feel of what kind of traction your car is getting and if that power is going to the ground correctly
#359
Burning Brakes
^^^^^^yes sir it is in the rain with traction control off I know where you're going with this that was just for kicks ....
But 04accord definetly I'll get some videos , I just think vidoes will settle a lot and also bring up a lot more interesting factors ..
But 04accord definetly I'll get some videos , I just think vidoes will settle a lot and also bring up a lot more interesting factors ..