Again, if you want to beat Mustangs then a VW is bringing a knife to a gun fight. Your better off buying a used C5 Corvette and starting with that then any import. Sure, you could make an AMS EVO with 1500awhp running nitrous and 2 step with a ginormous turbo, but it will suck driving it around on the street and you will look like a tool with that boy racer wing in a cheap sub compact. I would not drive a Mustang cause I hate Fords, but if I were to build something now to take on all the impressive new cars out there and had say a $40-50k budget, I would go get the cheapest LS3 Vette I could find and put a twin turbo kit on it. If I had a $70k budget, I would buy either a used Nissan GTR and do a basic mod to it and get 700awhp or I would go on ebay and buy that blue Z06 with the 1000hp APS kit on it. If I also wanted a daily driver, I would get a used 2009 CTS-V for $45k, grab the bigger supercharger they use on the ZR1 and run methanol injection or E85 and make a 900rwhp cruiser that can already handle amazingly (as good as an M5) even at 4000lbs. However, if you were looking at an under $40k budget, you would really have to reach back into the past to find one that came with enough to begin with and had a tough enough drivetrain. If I was really nuts, I would buy another 1980s Cutlass 442 (like the 1983 Hurst Olds I had in college) and drop in a built low compression de-stroked LS motor and twin turbo it and put an IRS underneath it and slam it, or get my other favorite a 1987 Grand National with the indy block and heads they made for awhile. I remember when those things were doing 8s and 9s lifting the wheels off the ground at Mustang vs Grand National events----they would usually lose due to break downs but they put on a great show back in the day, and that turbo whistle is intoxicating!

 

Thats a really cool way to do it! I have the 2 step active on my AEM but not the anti-lag because I dont want to get pulled over when it blows fire balls and I dont think the little turbos can take it for very long without leaking oil thru the exhaust housings. I always wanted a Grand National but bought an Olds in college and put a built 403/level 10 200r4 and 3.73 gears into it. It was fast enough to beat Paxton equipped Mustang 5.0s back in the early 90s. I miss the G-body. It hooked pretty well even though it had only 215 tires on it.

Sam

 

Got one of the stageII powered "Indy" engines sitting in my father's GN in the garage. Pretty fun car and with 4.5L it spools the the PT76 turbo very quickly. It's actually very under turbo'd but the spool is amazing. We messed around with an 87 octane tune just for fun with 8psi and 12 degrees of timing and it made 587rwhp and 590lbs of torque. This thing is designed to run 28+psi. Crowded but functional. There's an Indy block under there with Moldex cranke, Eagle rods, and JE pistons. Heads flow over 350CFM on the intake. Should go somewhere in the 8s if we ever make it to the track.

 

I'm with you, I've recommended a Corvette / RWD V8 powered car since the beginning...my next project car will be a C6 Z06. But Inaccurate has specific requirements he's looking for and none of those are found in a Corvette.

 

Pretty interesting thread and although I read through several pages, I didn't read it all.
Sounds like you need a DD that will run mid 13's. A few cars to consider that would fit the bill:

Lexus IS350 (Don't flame me...)
Pontiac G8 GT (a few mods and you're in low 13's or even 12's)
10' Camaro SS
Corvette (I would take a C5 for driveability, but I can't speak for the newer ones)
Mustang GT (couldn't resist...can't beat, join' em!)

Good luck!

 

Good one.

I vote that we change the title of this thread - Can't Beat, Join' Em!

 

 

^ Majofo, You forgot to put the girl comment in the formatting for a subliminal message --->
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How about this old heavy tired old car for a daily driver LOL


http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/22/v...les-whips-off/

 

Larry Larson

 

I love it! At 1:06 in the second video you can see the wastegate open up with launch control on.

 

He races at Muncie, IN every year....lol.

 

Wow! that is one sick car. 6 sec. at over 200mph and drive it on the street? Thats awesome! My new hero!

Back on track, i own 2 Mustangs myself and Drag race one of them frequently in the summer but i have to say when its all said and done i love driving my wifes Loaded TL, it a great cruising car and is a very good looking car! just looking at some the awesome looking TLs on this site, is enough to just convince me that going fast isnt everything (though its fun).
Enjoy the TL for what it is. Money can make you go as fast as you want? but like someone said earlier Theres mustangs, and theres plenty of modded mustangs and camaros, vettes, etc;....! There will always be someone faster? btw "i hate cars" Your GN is sick!

 

trying to beat a mustang let alone come close to a gt or cobra is fuckin ridiculous, what will you do if you had to face a SALEEN?

 

Mustang GT and Saleens are VERY different cars.

 

Saleen can be anything from a bodykit to a 500+hp monster. Most of the ones I used to see were bodykits and exhaust/intake. Ironically, the only fast supercharged one I've run into was driven by a young blonde chick.

 

Lol two steppin longer than he did could blow out that front tire.

 

For Inaccurate RWD vs AWD. I came across this vid on youtube tonight. It shows what 510rwhp and 590lbs of torque will do if launched full throttle without backing out. It shows how easy it is to control when you know what you're doing. I've done similar going down the freeway on street tire just messing around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1H0vguOg9k

 

Thanks for the vid IHC.

Now after watching that video, I need to open my bedroom windows to let the smoke clear out

 

When I had my TL...I was following a buddy out to the track in a built vette.....impressive when they can do similar from (starting from) a 75mph roll...lol. Stood right up and walked away from me from the get go...lol.

 

TL vs Mustang? C'mon man...

 

Notice the screen name of the OP....he's clearly high! j/k

 

race a regular mustang and you can win. lol I won vs a base v6 mustang. Then we pulled over and got some bubbles. He was like "I am going to get a super charger to kick your ass next time" I told him by the time you get one I will have another car. lol

 

TL vs. Mustang...have both, love 'em both, for different reasons. V6 vs V6 or stock V8, ok..but my mildly modded 03 Cobra (461rwhp) or my mildly modified 93 LX(290rwhp)? To see anything but tail lights would be a rediculously expensive proposition. What's the best 1/4 mile ET you have EVER SEEN POSTED ABOUT ANY TL, ANY MOD? BUT- my mustangs don't have Nav, voice activated everything, power everything, AND pull 30mpg on the hwy. The TL is a luxury sports sedan, not a race car. Apples to apples, oranges to oranges...hence, C'mon man...

 

The thing is you can order a new Mustang with everything that the TL has...Bluetooth, NAVI, voice activated everything. I love my TL-S, but the new Mustang can be just as civilized and even the base with the new 6 cyl. will eat it for breakkie.

The new GT is an amazing machine for less money than what I had paid for my TL-S....seriously considering it...

 

Myself having a 91GT with a conservative H/C/I and 9lb of SC goodness netting 391rwhp/410tq @ 17deg timing, I agree that is stupid cheap to make them go fast, and RWD for the win on racing.

I wanted my TL based on looks, and as soon as I got in a drove it, the mustang just wasn't "smooth" enough for me anymore. Granted, it's two different worlds, but I was beginning to not like smelling like no-cat exhaust when I was done driving, and the TL gets much better mpg.

my only problem now is what fun car to get next once the wife gets out of school. so many choices

 

I saw this post early in the thread and I couldn't help but correct the egregious misinformation here. I drive an '05 TL 6MT and my other toy is a Honda CBR sportbike.

"...I lost to a Hayabusa."
You do realize they have made comparisons of the hayabusa to exotics such as the 911 GT2, mclaren slr, veyron, a fighter jet...and so on. So surely you understand my awe when you say "...from a dig it was way too close and I haven't lost to any of the smaller bikes" Is that a serious statement....?!

There is no way 99% of the time there are cars out there that will put a whooping on a bike. Unless your car's sticker price is north of 6 figures, most smaller displacement sportbikes such as a 600cc will eat you. Let alone the liter bikes. Why would you even bother race a sportbike???

My bike for instance is a 600cc, lightly-modded and does 83mph in 1st gear. Needless to say its a 6spd. With respect to straight-line performance, you're facing 0-60 in 3.2-3.7s; and 0-100 at 7.1s. The bike will hit top-end before you do, and hopefully you're not restricted to 153mph, considering most bikes 600cc and higher will happily get up there.....stock.

So if you really want to gobble a mustang. Most sportbikes will happily do the job. Stay safe and please be more aware of information and/or misinformation on these boards.

 

And? My car is quicker through the 1/4 than all of those mentioned.
Reading comprehension > You. Re read my post. Why would I bother? Because I've never lost to a little 600, I've beaten some of the larger bikes and I've only had one no contest.
Not enough. Take a full second off the 0-60 and you can play. I'm redline limited to 178mph and it will pull redline in 4th. I'll be at 70mph before you hit 60mph.

What it does in first gear is meaningless. I have no idea why people post this crap.
My info is correct. I wish I could say the same of yours. BTW, thanks for proving my point on the typical biker attitude.

 

Learn to read^^^^.

 

Biker attitude? Not quite, but nice jab.

My argument is simple, so take it for what it is. A modern 600 is certainly not a "little" bike, in fact, it's anything but a little bike. Setting aside the comparing of performance numbers to their more expensive four-wheel counterparts, the real-world performance of the modern sportbikes is quite impressive; especially when you factor the dollar-to-dollar equation. Very few cars on today's roads bring to the table the performance a sportbike brings, and the ones that do, you can't help but grin when you're behind the wheel.

My passion is flying....I'm airborne at every opportunity. However, I'll be the first to admit there's just something about being on 2 wheels and the overall experience. It really is quite a feeling. So whether someone is yapping about the 17k rev-limiter or doing close to 100mph in 1st gear, it really underscores just how absurdly quick sportbikes are for the money.

Considering the OP is leaning towards cheap mods for his TL. A sportbike is a noteworthy alternative and makes a strong case as a candidate. It presents a totally different sensation.

 

It doesn't take a car with hundreds of thousands of dollars in it to beat sport bikes. Especially considering most sport bike riders aren't pros and drive / launch them like complete newbs...especially at the track.

A car built for the strip with sticky tires, a proper suspension and tons of power can rape most streetbikes other than the heavily modified ones. I can appreciate where you're coming from, but I know plenty of people driving 9- low 10 second cars around on the street. That is more than enough to put a beating on bikes that aren't using some kind of forced induction (turbo) or power adder (nitrous).

 

"A car built for the strip with sticky tires, a proper suspension and tons of power can rape most streetbikes"

A streetbike built for the strip with sticky tires, a proper suspension and tons of power can rape most cars, and then some.

The point of this thread is how to beat Mustangs. Flyer is saying that bikes are a good alternative, and I agree, it's hard to beat their performance to dollar ratio.

 

Example....and WAY less than even a hundred thousand....

RX-7 w/ LS1 Swap...you can do it for less than 10 grand:

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i1...600andBusa.mp4

 

Yes, biker attitude. You threw in little jabs, don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about. You also think that no car can outrun a bike. There are about 20 crotch rockets running around here that will tell you different. My friend regularly beats bikes in his STOCK CL65.

I never said that was not true but you love to bring up price. Don't forget you're missing every creature comfort, 2 wheels and a windshield. Why does price always enter the equation. I bought my car for $3,600 and have $3,000 into the engine. I believe that's cheaper than any 600 out there.
Again, they're cheap because they're lacking half the parts of a car. Do I really need to bring up the obbvious?
There are so many things you can't do in or on a bike. Let's not forget safety. I will take a quick car anyday over a bike. IMO, a car is the whole package...... literally.

I honestly don't care what the OP does or who likes bikes. You came on here calling me out. In your own words...

"I saw this post early in the thread and I couldn't help but correct the egregious misinformation" Then you post your bike's published performance numbers which are not in the same ballpark as my car and somehow you think your bike is quicker.

You said... "Unless your car's sticker price is north of 6 figures, most smaller displacement sportbikes such as a 600cc will eat you."

There are many cars with $20,000 total into them including purchase price that will destroy a bike.


There was and is no misinformation on my part.

 

I have friends that run literbikes all day everyday. Now I want my cookie.

 

So can we agree that whoever brought the topic of bikes into this thread
a) has no idea what they're talking about
and
b) brought a completely irrelevant topic into a discussion about fast cars

?

 

Whoa Whoa Whoa......now hang on a minute.

That would make way too much sense and be way too easy to do....

 

how bout mustang vs accord wagon??

heres a vid of my FAVORITE car by far i see race everytime i hit up california raceway in fontana. you gotta love the stock looks along with the exhaust and wheels. keep in mine that this dragstrip is one of the slowest tracks around due to the high elevation and track prepping =/

theres 3 passes in the first vid... #1 pass against a built mustang on nitrous... this is one grocery getter you dont want to come across

95 honda accord wagon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_diE-KCW814
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I had to chuckle at this...last thing I want to do is get in a debate about which is quicker but most modern literbikes run low to mid 9s....stock. Throw on a exhaust and fuel controller and you're into the high 8s. My K9 GSX-R 750 runs mid 10s stock...with the mods that I have, I'd guesstimate mid to high 9s as it stands with exhaust (fuel controller, +1 sprocket, lightweight wheels).

But sportbikes aren't about drag racing (yes, they are hard to launch properly), they are about cornering, braking and high speeds on the straights. And they will do that better than ANY car on the street....bar none. I think that was what Flyer was trying to articulate.

Anyways, back to the regularly scheduled thread...and I want a GT 5.0.

 

The last thing I want to do is continue a debate about bikes vs cars. So this is my last jab :p However I disagree completely with your bolded statement.



Car vs. bike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA

Also, keep in mind they have a 500hp V8 version of the Atom now too. That was the supercharged 300hp version in that video. That is a HUGE gap on the track between the bike and the car. Bikes just do not have the grip that track-prepped 4 wheel vehicles have. Did you even watch the video of Sabine Schmidt around the 'Ring that I posted earlier where she was lapping bikes in a cargo van?? That wasn't even a track-prepped vehicle by any means haha