I'm getting old, it took me a while to realize what generation that was. I was looking for a 4V motor.

Stroker 302? Not bad at all, I bet it runs good. As civilized as everything is these days, I really miss the lope like your car has.

 

In a true street tire to street tire competition the AWD will win. There are of course always exceptions. Take someone who is exceptionally good at launching a RWD car and someone who is afraid of launching the AWD car to it's potential and you can get a RWD win. I've done it several times. Take the driver out of the equation and use both cars to their potential, the AWD car is going to win... Only exceptions to this would be a mid or rear engine car. But definately AWD>RWD on true street tire with all else being equal.

As I've said, I've run the car on true street tires and even at the track. It's "fun" but not competitive. Drag radials level the playing field with AWD. The reason I'm so quick to suggest DRs is because the only downside is quicker wear. Handling is fine, wet traction ok, they are a real daily driver street tire but you have to plan on replacing them more often. I look at it as maintenence costs.

I understand one person's idea of a DD car vs another. I've run the car mostly on Hoosier Quick Time Pros in the last years it was running. I would never recommend these to anyone... ever, without several warnings. They're legal but not a "street tire". Cornering is sloppy and almost dangerous. You can't take them on the freeway. You look like you're driving drunk all the time. Wear. You'll spin out if you run over spit on the ground, etc. But you can load up the car and take the family out of town on a DR with no compromises.

In regards to the tire spin, you learn where the limit is very quickly and you can keep the car right on that limit of traction. If you're looking for something requiring less driver input, the AWD will be better.

 

Just for fun, the same truck I posted earlier with the in truck camera on a 6psi launch. Very drama free for 500+hp but you can tell it still spins a little.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZuIZmP1LDI

 

There is the down low on hi output engines is I under stand it. The EVO is a 2.0 liter engine that makes 120-150 hp without the turbo, add the turbo and they make 250-300 hp. Double the non boosted hp. Kick the boost up and make 360 WHP and now you are making 3x the stock power, add in drivetrain loss for a 4 wheel drive and the engine is making 420 WHP. Kick the boost up more to make 400+ WHP and now your looking at 500+ hp at the crank almost 5x the stock hp. That takes it toll on parts and causes a he'll of a lot more wear and stress.

 

This is what the WRX guy is saying, asking that much of a engine is asking for trouble unless you throw serious $$$$ at it and now you are breaking stuff left and right since the cat was designed to run a lot less power. You can beef up anything, but starting with an engine that makes more N/A power will help with longevity. I think AWD is cool but the drivetrain loss and lack of displacement is a no go. I would even race most subies since they could jump from a light but couldn't keep acceleration up. I always felt like I
Was doing a ricer fly by since the AWD killed so much of the power and acceleration.

 

NA hp doesn't make a difference in reliabiilty. As long you you have "turbo" internals you're good to go. I'm sure the internals are much beefier on the EVO than the base Lancer. All that matters is total hp as far as stress on parts goes. I dyno'd my turbo car with no boost many years ago just for fun and it couldn't even break 200whp but it's been very reliable where it's at.

 

You can tell it has a cam, but to be honest the tach is dead steady, it doesnt bounce at all.

And it has 4 valves, for every 2 cylinders.

It runs really streetable, considering its only 5.7L and is making 411rwhp (or about 470 flywheel). Its not sneaking up anyone though.

What makes me upset is that the '11 5.0 can make similar hp numbers to mine, all while not being loud, running hot, or getting 12mpg.

 

Holy shit guys! Video overload!!!! Thanks for giving me something to do at work.

I don't know where this thread is heading, but since the OP hasn't made a comment in awhile I wonder if he's traded in his car yet? I think he should swap in a v8.

 

Regarding using a small engine and boosting the hell out of it –

For someone like me, this is just the thing that I am looking for. You know what my main secret is….... gutted. So, having a power plant that has an extremely high output versus the engine’s weight is a huge advantage to my overall game plan (lightweight).


Source(click here)

 

I vote Ferrari Inacc

 

X2. Start with a factory boosted lightweight like the F40. Jack the boost up and lighten it even more. Weren't those things like 2,800lbs from the factory? The only thing I didn't like was the tiny V8 but with enough boost it will make power.

 

Keep in mind that the FQ400 is not available here in the states and it is technically a "factory modified" car. You can mod a V8 with similar results. I would take that list with a grain of salt, rotary fanbois will hate me for saying this but they tout how amazing that power per liter rating is of the Renesis engine and that car is slow as shit, unreliable and terrible on gas mileage.

Modded v8 + your trademark weight reduction = destroying modded 4 bangers that don't have $40,000 in the engine / suspension / chassis.

 

When AWD doesn't grab....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZe63zf2R0

 

Well, I know that the AWD is not a "Magic Traction Wand"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-PIu...eature=channel

 

Come’on guys….. multitask . We need -

Inexpensive (15-20k price Used, it will be gutted)
Daily driver
Not a thief magnet
Modded with emphasis on 0-100 mph sprints
Best traction on normal tires on normal streets
Quickest launch with least squireliness
Sleeper image (ugly is a plus)
Superb handling
Great suspension for going fast on city streets
Lightweight (or, ability to be gutted)
Great aftermarket support
Potential for make 500 whp with mods

 

But, you had to find a slippery wet asphalt surface to show the awd fighting for traction

 

True. That one wasn't so bad but on dry asphalt, my friend's Typhoon gets a little scary. The rear didn't slide like the one in the video, the entire truck went sideways. Not fun but it's rare for it to happen.

 

I have seen some videos of EVO's doing the same thing of jumping to the left during the launch event. But, it was those extreme 10-second rides doing it.

 

It seems like you're dead set on an EVO, but you just mentioned above that 500whp is your goal. And I am telling you right now to go ahead and start saving at least $20,000 if not quite a bit more for the project to make it somewhat reliable. Keep in mind also that "boy racer" cars like STIs / EVOs attract a LOT of attention, generally unwanted, from the younger crowd looking to street race and from the police.

With that said, surprisingly not many people ever tried to race me really when I took the STI out. Probably because it sounded like a freight train when the EWG opened up haha .

 

As you have said, I have read on the evo forums that around 400 whp was the top before needing intense modding.

I have yet to read anything about STI’s. What power levels are the STI guys reaching?

I mainly want the whole package that I listed above. I forgot to include that it be easy to work on. That little 4 cylinder looks to be fairly easy to hoist out of the bay.

I am willing to settle for around 400 whp just to get the overall package that I listed.

I was already guessing that about the cop attention. Got to camouflage that thing to be a sleeper….some satin black paint, remove the wing, higher ride height from weight loss, ugly rims.

 

Good luck with your search, I predict it will cost twice the amount of $$ as you think it will.

 

This might not get the best reception, but what about a Volvo S60R or something? Bonus points if you get the wagon.

 

Inaccurate, have you considered a BMW 335? Doesn't take a ton of dough to get them up to 400+ whp, it won't attract the attention of the cops like an Evo, and it's more of a sleeper. If you're dead set on AWD, you can get the 335xi. Once you strip it down, the extra weight won't matter much. It's over your budget now, but if you're not planning on buying for awhile, I bet you can find an '07 for 20k in another year and a half or so.

And then there's always the 135. That car would be sick with 400-500 whp and a few hundred pounds removed.

 

Love those S60Rs...almost got one before the TL-S.

 

135.. now we're talking.

 

evo>sti for most power for $ put in.

i have 2 guys in my car crew one has a sti and the other a evo 8. the evo 8 guy invested about 10k he told me to make 450whp 430lb torque. on the other hand the guy with the sti has spent double that and still isn't making the same hp as the evo 8. before anyone says anything about the sti guy not knowing his stuff he had his car built exclusively by blouch turbo performance here in lebanon, pa.

innaccurate for maximum power, affordability, and Daily driver all year round i would definately choose a evo. preferably evo 8 & 9 since their bottom ends are "bulletproof".

my 2 cents...... thanks for listening

 

Back to beating the mustangs....this ones a V6 on a bottle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iNQzORkpaw

 

That car would get dragged up & back down the strip out here.
Edit*
That wasn't even a fast 12 second pass; 12.7.

 

Duh. Its a V6 Ford...what can you expect?

BTW...might be from "out there"....I just copped that off the net. I have absolutely no idea where that is from.

Nonetheless...it is what it is for an old ford v6....which is dogshit right out of the box IMO.

Edit:

But for the sake of arguement....can you get this out of a TL? Just wondering? Not sure what those new Turbo kits are turning honestly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yfboHTm_wA

 

There are a couple of turbo V6 Mustangs on the Mustang Forums running deep into the 11s.

 

I was in Vegas earlier this year to see fam and for Nascar weekend. They had this bmf featured at the LVMS.

 

Nice! Nothing like V8 power with a huge turbo. I assume it's got a liquid/air intercooler in the passenger compartment?

 

 

With 20k, I'd think that the TL could get 500WHP and go RWD.

Turbo, or complete LS engine swap. I don't see why you couldn't do it besides the transmission.

I talked to a few people and they said putting a LS8 engine in my TL is easy to an extent, but it will cost me 22.5k with the engine, a reliable transmission (911 transmission) and labor and RWD conversion. I'm not sure if they completely understand the platform of the TL, but they said they can get it done.

 

TL was made to be a luxury car, not for drag racing. You can make anything fast as long as you have the money.

Stay in Honda family. If you are looking for a fast car with spending less money, buy a integra. Make 600WHP for less thank 10K.

 

You can do that in a 4th Gen Camaro or Mustang too for less & still be faster.

 

Wait, so they have no experience with TL's, but they're already quoting you hard prices? Do you not see any red flags here?

 

Sounds like bullshit. Probably blowing smoke up your ass seeing if you believe them.

 

Thought about an R32? I'm not a huge fan of German cars, especially modded ones because that platform is already unreliable, but I have seen some really sick twin turbo R32s that are probably a complete blast to drive.

 

11 second twin turbo R32, 550+hp...imo one of the best looking and best sounding VWs out there as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-76eOOtbpY

wow, I can't believe I'm finding myself suggesting a VW! But seriously that car would be so much fun to drive in all weather.