Factory IM Spacer - 17108-RDJ-A00
06-18-2009, 04:30 AM
#282
Getting a constant CEL since installing: P0137 and 2207 - 02 lean bank sensor codes. I got the 0137 once before since installing pre-cats but it was random and never came back after clearing. I cleared this code twice now and it's back within minutes of driving around.
Might have slight surging at light throttle application. Just ran the car at Test and Tune night locally and it did good considering it was 93 degrees air temp (pro'ly 110 track temp), it's an auto, and I have 19's: 14.860 @ 95.13. Cars running very good wide open but it's not adjusting so smoothly. I'm sure the CEL is a combination of the pre-cat's and spaced IM. I can actually hear the induction noises from the IM in the cabin...sounds pretty killer!
Might have slight surging at light throttle application. Just ran the car at Test and Tune night locally and it did good considering it was 93 degrees air temp (pro'ly 110 track temp), it's an auto, and I have 19's: 14.860 @ 95.13. Cars running very good wide open but it's not adjusting so smoothly. I'm sure the CEL is a combination of the pre-cat's and spaced IM. I can actually hear the induction noises from the IM in the cabin...sounds pretty killer!
06-18-2009, 07:47 AM
#284
practicing nihilist
Exactly. It's humerous people are refering to it as "bitching". The way I see it is most people aren't willing to turn their classy TL into a ricey drift-look car with a popped hood. Some guys like the popped hood look, but for me, it's plain silly looking. Modifications almost always are about compromise whether it be ride quality, noise, or driveability. But the compromises with the look and potential damage far outweigh the gains. I'd be really concerned about that hood clearance if you get some excessive wheel-hop or if some other party closes the hood. You're talking $1000+. If the OEM is aluminum, you're looking at even more. Ball peen hammers to the underside support rails? Good God. By the spacer and take it to a machine shop for milling (~$50-100).
I think it's humorous you provided the link showing how the 350Z guys have the same product and now you're knocking it. I don't fall victim to the placebo affect of mod fever - this mod yields noticeable torque.
The hood pop, like you can see in the pictures above, isn't nearly as in your face as I thought. Meaning, only tuners would even notice it. I've never noticed a pop hood because I'd never seen or read of it before but, last night at the track I started seeing it on a couple of the imports. I would only mill 1/4" to ensure clearance and not compromise effectiveness and I don't think anyone is going to fit more than 5/16"s of spacers with the length of the latch bolts.
And a ball peen hammer was my answer to not cutting the frame rails completely out. Hoods plenty rigid and you don't have to worry about denting the pretty part of the hood as it will never impact if you smack on the rails. FYI - our under hood support rails are factory crimped in a couple areas to clear certain parts. I just added a couple more.
I ran hard all night at the track and drove over crappy backwoods roads all day and night getting there. Slammed the hood shut about 30 times since then, as well. There is no concern of hood creasing, denting or flying up at speed.
06-18-2009, 09:32 AM
#285
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what I love now is that everytime someone's got the mild hood pop... everyone's guessing "running the im spacer" 
.... HOOD POP'N FOR THE WIN FELLAS
remember a few years ago when "pop your collar" was popular
"pop your hood"
.... HOOD POP'N FOR THE WIN FELLASremember a few years ago when "pop your collar" was popular
"pop your hood"
06-18-2009, 10:05 AM
#286
Burning Brakes
As for hood popping, the only people I see doing that are the 240 and Civic guys. I'll it at that
So you ran 14.8s@95mph last night. Do you have any other times to compare? Density altitude in Jacksonville ranged from 2200' at 5pm to around 1800' by 9pm. Those conditions were sucking out about .2 to .25 seconds and 1 to 1.5mph. Can you post your entire slip? What about your previous best slip?
06-18-2009, 10:09 AM
#287
does anyone have a pic of how this relo's the mount of your CAI??? i have the fujita and just wondering where i would have to bolt it up now... and i was thinking that now the IM is higher, it should pull the whole CAI higher up (away from the rear of the fog lights for us 07+) which is good!!!
06-18-2009, 10:43 AM
#288
Former Whyner
Lets set everyone straight!!!!!!
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06-18-2009, 11:23 AM
#289
practicing nihilist
What link did I provide? All I talked about was the plenum spacer for the VQ which is an entirely different setup. We do have 3/4" intake manifold "spacers" excatly like what you guys are running, but they're simply designed for guys running forced induction who need the extra space for larger injectors. The spacer doesn't gain any power.
As for hood popping, the only people I see doing that are the 240 and Civic guys. I'll it at that
So you ran 14.8s@95mph last night. Do you have any other times to compare? Density altitude in Jacksonville ranged from 2200' at 5pm to around 1800' by 9pm. Those conditions were sucking out about .2 to .25 seconds and 1 to 1.5mph. Can you post your entire slip? What about your previous best slip?
As for hood popping, the only people I see doing that are the 240 and Civic guys. I'll it at that
So you ran 14.8s@95mph last night. Do you have any other times to compare? Density altitude in Jacksonville ranged from 2200' at 5pm to around 1800' by 9pm. Those conditions were sucking out about .2 to .25 seconds and 1 to 1.5mph. Can you post your entire slip? What about your previous best slip?
My 1st and best run was at 7:35 pm. I was reading 91 degrees on the dash in the inspection lanes. I don't have a camera at the moment and my blackberry isn't getting enough detail. This is the 1st time I've run the car so I have no base line time. Only knocking .25 second off my time is a bit dissapointing. I was hoping to be in the 14.3 - 14.4's if I could get a perfect run. Releasing the brake and stabbing the throttle was slow. General Exclaim's hooked up pretty good on about a 3/4 pedal stab off the line and I really only spun once.
Mixed 2 gallons of 103 with approx 3 gallons of 93 (103 was the lowest octane available).
06-18-2009, 11:31 AM
#290
practicing nihilist
does anyone have a pic of how this relo's the mount of your CAI??? i have the fujita and just wondering where i would have to bolt it up now... and i was thinking that now the IM is higher, it should pull the whole CAI higher up (away from the rear of the fog lights for us 07+) which is good!!!
06-18-2009, 11:44 AM
#292
Three Wheelin'
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does anyone have a pic of how this relo's the mount of your CAI??? i have the fujita and just wondering where i would have to bolt it up now... and i was thinking that now the IM is higher, it should pull the whole CAI higher up (away from the rear of the fog lights for us 07+) which is good!!!
06-18-2009, 11:45 AM
#293
Burning Brakes
my bad, Dave. Someone else posted the Nissan spacer link earlier in this thread.
My 1st and best run was at 7:35 pm. I was reading 91 degrees on the dash in the inspection lanes. I don't have a camera at the moment and my blackberry isn't getting enough detail. This is the 1st time I've run the car so I have no base line time. Only knocking .25 second off my time is a bit dissapointing. I was hoping to be in the 14.3 - 14.4's if I could get a perfect run. Releasing the brake and stabbing the throttle was slow. General Exclaim's hooked up pretty good on about a 3/4 pedal stab off the line and I really only spun once.
Mixed 2 gallons of 103 with approx 3 gallons of 93 (103 was the lowest octane available).
My 1st and best run was at 7:35 pm. I was reading 91 degrees on the dash in the inspection lanes. I don't have a camera at the moment and my blackberry isn't getting enough detail. This is the 1st time I've run the car so I have no base line time. Only knocking .25 second off my time is a bit dissapointing. I was hoping to be in the 14.3 - 14.4's if I could get a perfect run. Releasing the brake and stabbing the throttle was slow. General Exclaim's hooked up pretty good on about a 3/4 pedal stab off the line and I really only spun once.
Mixed 2 gallons of 103 with approx 3 gallons of 93 (103 was the lowest octane available).
What were your 60 foots like?
06-18-2009, 12:19 PM
#294
practicing nihilist
thanks for the reassurance. I saw a mazdaspeed running 14.4's and he had 16" drag slicks on front with OEM 19's on the back. I will definitely go with light 18's next wheel change but I can't sacrifice looks entirely.
that 60' run was 2.398 and best was 2.344. I didn't bust 15 seconds all night and consistency in a daily driver is nice. slowest pass was 14.987 out of 5 runs total.
that 60' run was 2.398 and best was 2.344. I didn't bust 15 seconds all night and consistency in a daily driver is nice. slowest pass was 14.987 out of 5 runs total.
06-18-2009, 12:23 PM
#295
practicing nihilist
06-18-2009, 12:35 PM
#296
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Nice Ron, nice.
BMW called and my bolts are in. Too bad I ordered 9 when I only need 7 
06-18-2009, 02:19 PM
#303
Former Whyner
no, they can't. these Studs are threaded on both ends so they can be sunk in the block and then capped inside the intake manifold with nuts (they're the two with nuts inside the IM when you take off the "3.2 Vtec" cover).
If you must do it now, just order 7 bolts and keep the 2 factory studs in place. Two of us have done this now. It will serve as a guide for the lower gasket and spacer but you won't be able to get a nut on it. 16 lb ft (or 196 inch lbs) each of the 7 studs and they hold fine.
Clean the EGR ports, IM and throttle body while you're in there.
If you must do it now, just order 7 bolts and keep the 2 factory studs in place. Two of us have done this now. It will serve as a guide for the lower gasket and spacer but you won't be able to get a nut on it. 16 lb ft (or 196 inch lbs) each of the 7 studs and they hold fine.
Clean the EGR ports, IM and throttle body while you're in there.
06-18-2009, 02:59 PM
#304
I bought it from another 04 TL owner who backed out on the install.....Ever since he saw my install, the guy been KICKING himself for sellin it...lol
Its made for the 04-06...So i have to do some custom work to make it work for my 07 TL-S....its not perfect up close...BUT still lookz better than stock..IMO
06-18-2009, 03:16 PM
#305
Ryan Christopher
i'm lost. hope for what?
Originally Posted by Black_05_TL_6SP
For those that don't feel like reading the whole thread. I have compiled the list of parts needed and what they are. I looked up the correct studs and added that part #.
Factory Intake Manifold Spacer (1 Required) - 17108-RDJ-A00
Bolts 8M x 105mm (7 Required) - 95701-08105-08/ BMW part for the 8M x 105mm Bolt 07-11-9-904-532
Studs - 8M x 100mm (2 required) - 92900-08100-1B
Intake Manifold gasket (1 required) - 17105-RCA-A01
Factory Intake Manifold Spacer (1 Required) - 17108-RDJ-A00
Bolts 8M x 105mm (7 Required) - 95701-08105-08/ BMW part for the 8M x 105mm Bolt 07-11-9-904-532
Studs - 8M x 100mm (2 required) - 92900-08100-1B
Intake Manifold gasket (1 required) - 17105-RCA-A01
06-18-2009, 03:56 PM
#306
Burning Brakes
thanks for the reassurance. I saw a mazdaspeed running 14.4's and he had 16" drag slicks on front with OEM 19's on the back. I will definitely go with light 18's next wheel change but I can't sacrifice looks entirely.
that 60' run was 2.398 and best was 2.344. I didn't bust 15 seconds all night and consistency in a daily driver is nice. slowest pass was 14.987 out of 5 runs total.
that 60' run was 2.398 and best was 2.344. I didn't bust 15 seconds all night and consistency in a daily driver is nice. slowest pass was 14.987 out of 5 runs total.
06-18-2009, 09:09 PM
#307
practicing nihilist
06-19-2009, 07:32 AM
#308
Ryan Christopher
06-21-2009, 01:12 PM
#309
practicing nihilist
Got a steady "P0137" code. Comes back within minutes of resetting. It translates to "O2 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2)". This time it also showed a "P0137 pd", not sure what that means.
Do I have an 02 sensor going bad?
Do I have an 02 sensor going bad?
06-21-2009, 01:20 PM
#310
practicing nihilist
Just did some searching and .com guys get these codes when they install race headers. Makes sense with my cat deletes but I only got this code once before installing the spacer.
Oh, and they can lock this code out with the kpro ECU replacement...lucky bastards
Oh, and they can lock this code out with the kpro ECU replacement...lucky bastards
06-22-2009, 05:22 PM
#311
Former Whyner
Got my spacer in!!! ill post pics later. Ouchie to my manifold 3.2 cover and my hood support even with 3 washers. Looks like im gonna need the dremmel
06-22-2009, 06:42 PM
#312
Former Whyner
Big Big Thanks to Totalacura (Adrian) for helping out with the install in 95 degree weather. Had a few small issues especially with the factory strut bar because it was rubbing against the brake booster line and it actually split it so I dont have the bar in for now.
Also if you dont reset the ECU after the mod you might get a CEL like I did but we reset it for 5 mins and it was all good.
Some hoses were a strech but everything was fine. Car pulls harder but my stock exhaust is really killing me
Thanks again Adrian
Sorry for the pics they are from my crappy Instinct.
Spacers, Spacers, Spacers....oh my
Popped hood FTW
Side angle
Wanted to see where it was hitting.. I have kids so a crayon FTW!! and scratches FTL!!
You can see where its hitting and im going to dremel that peice out which should do the trick.
P2R+MDX spacer+OEM spacer
Front view with the elevated manifold. Looks like a beast!!
3 washers on all 4 screws. Im thinking about 4...
Bonus while we were at it mod TB Bypass
Also if you dont reset the ECU after the mod you might get a CEL like I did but we reset it for 5 mins and it was all good.
Some hoses were a strech but everything was fine. Car pulls harder but my stock exhaust is really killing me
Thanks again AdrianSorry for the pics they are from my crappy Instinct.
Spacers, Spacers, Spacers....oh my
Popped hood FTW
Side angle
Wanted to see where it was hitting.. I have kids so a crayon FTW!! and scratches FTL!!
You can see where its hitting and im going to dremel that peice out which should do the trick.
P2R+MDX spacer+OEM spacer
Front view with the elevated manifold. Looks like a beast!!
3 washers on all 4 screws. Im thinking about 4...
Bonus while we were at it mod TB Bypass
06-22-2009, 10:01 PM
#314
practicing nihilist
Nice pics, RonJon.
So, have you driven it enough to notice a lot more induction noise from under the hood? I know, obviously, but my car is starting to act a little sick. Got a code that won't clear - reset ECU 3 times now - but it's not very serious. Getting a belt or pulley squeak now at low rpm's/idle and it seams that the 2 larger pulleys visible looking on passenger side of engine are moving a bit excessively - in fact, the entire engine has a rythmic shake that is visible and I can feel the engine quite a bit inside the cabin.
Maybe it's just time for a couple things to come to a head. Not trying to discourage and will only remove this spacer to possibly get it machined down 1/4". Car runs very hard at even partial throttle and my mileage is surprisingly good. This mod is dope for low/mid range torque.
Oh, I think I got 5 washers in and I still have some slight rubbing even after hammering on the support beams a bit.
So, have you driven it enough to notice a lot more induction noise from under the hood? I know, obviously, but my car is starting to act a little sick. Got a code that won't clear - reset ECU 3 times now - but it's not very serious. Getting a belt or pulley squeak now at low rpm's/idle and it seams that the 2 larger pulleys visible looking on passenger side of engine are moving a bit excessively - in fact, the entire engine has a rythmic shake that is visible and I can feel the engine quite a bit inside the cabin.
Maybe it's just time for a couple things to come to a head. Not trying to discourage and will only remove this spacer to possibly get it machined down 1/4". Car runs very hard at even partial throttle and my mileage is surprisingly good. This mod is dope for low/mid range torque.
Oh, I think I got 5 washers in and I still have some slight rubbing even after hammering on the support beams a bit.
06-22-2009, 10:47 PM
#315
Three Wheelin'
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Nice pics, RonJon.
So, have you driven it enough to notice a lot more induction noise from under the hood? I know, obviously, but my car is starting to act a little sick. Got a code that won't clear - reset ECU 3 times now - but it's not very serious. Getting a belt or pulley squeak now at low rpm's/idle and it seams that the 2 larger pulleys visible looking on passenger side of engine are moving a bit excessively - in fact, the entire engine has a rythmic shake that is visible and I can feel the engine quite a bit inside the cabin.
Maybe it's just time for a couple things to come to a head. Not trying to discourage and will only remove this spacer to possibly get it machined down 1/4". Car runs very hard at even partial throttle and my mileage is surprisingly good. This mod is dope for low/mid range torque.
Oh, I think I got 5 washers in and I still have some slight rubbing even after hammering on the support beams a bit.
So, have you driven it enough to notice a lot more induction noise from under the hood? I know, obviously, but my car is starting to act a little sick. Got a code that won't clear - reset ECU 3 times now - but it's not very serious. Getting a belt or pulley squeak now at low rpm's/idle and it seams that the 2 larger pulleys visible looking on passenger side of engine are moving a bit excessively - in fact, the entire engine has a rythmic shake that is visible and I can feel the engine quite a bit inside the cabin.
Maybe it's just time for a couple things to come to a head. Not trying to discourage and will only remove this spacer to possibly get it machined down 1/4". Car runs very hard at even partial throttle and my mileage is surprisingly good. This mod is dope for low/mid range torque.
Oh, I think I got 5 washers in and I still have some slight rubbing even after hammering on the support beams a bit.
ned, take a pic of ur engine bay for me. I would like to see something that I think may be causing your rumbling issues.
06-23-2009, 07:17 AM
#317
practicing nihilist
What exactly do you want a picture of?
You mean just little pressure the strut bar is putting on that hose is causing roughness? That woul be nice if it were the fix but I think its a reach. Don't see how that would be related to the 02 sensor. Well, if my friend can shave a 1/4" off it won't be an issue.
I know some of the roughness is due to the contact with hood when closed but I did a slow drive with the hood popped and it wasn't that big a difference. I'm mostly worried about the squeak and shuttering.
You mean just little pressure the strut bar is putting on that hose is causing roughness? That woul be nice if it were the fix but I think its a reach. Don't see how that would be related to the 02 sensor. Well, if my friend can shave a 1/4" off it won't be an issue.
I know some of the roughness is due to the contact with hood when closed but I did a slow drive with the hood popped and it wasn't that big a difference. I'm mostly worried about the squeak and shuttering.
06-23-2009, 08:43 AM
#319
Three Wheelin'
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What exactly do you want a picture of?
You mean just little pressure the strut bar is putting on that hose is causing roughness? That woul be nice if it were the fix but I think its a reach. Don't see how that would be related to the 02 sensor. Well, if my friend can shave a 1/4" off it won't be an issue.
I know some of the roughness is due to the contact with hood when closed but I did a slow drive with the hood popped and it wasn't that big a difference. I'm mostly worried about the squeak and shuttering.
You mean just little pressure the strut bar is putting on that hose is causing roughness? That woul be nice if it were the fix but I think its a reach. Don't see how that would be related to the 02 sensor. Well, if my friend can shave a 1/4" off it won't be an issue.
I know some of the roughness is due to the contact with hood when closed but I did a slow drive with the hood popped and it wasn't that big a difference. I'm mostly worried about the squeak and shuttering.
