Burn DVD Nav disc?
11-06-2009 | 05:16 PM
#163
LUV MY 2007 CBP TLS
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From: Montreal
DVD Burning with white disk 07-08 TL
Hi guys, i'm new to the site, i think its great, I have a 2007 TL Type-s and i just want to give you guys my experience with the navi disc burning issue. I was able to burn the NAV DVD with nero 7 as a disk image no problem, and then i burned the image to a dual layer DVD DL+R and it wasn't able to read it. I then tried again with a DVD DL-R. And it still gave me the disk read error. I then tried to trick the unit by putting in the OEM disk and pushed the ok button. Once it was operable i took it out again, put in the copy and then it worked but only with a DVD DL-R. It seems that an upgrade has to be done with the original disk, once the update is done with the OEM disk then it will read the copy but only with a DVD DL-R. I've been using the copy in my drive for over a month now with no issues to report.Hope this will help you guys out.
11-06-2009 | 08:48 PM
#166
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The 2007 TL uses the white disc.
back to the orange, the drive not reading the disc could be from
1. Hardware+firmware+drivers i.e. The drive cannot read OTP disc as suggested by some.
I doubt this as the OTP was part of the original DVD-ROM specifications. The main consequence of OTP vs PTP is the mapping between physical locations, sector numbering, and LBA.
To eliminate this would require someone carrying out one of the known working hacks (like background change) using an OTP disc. To be thorough, the files should be burned onto layer 1 (as layer 0 is independent of track path).
If the player cant read OTP discs, then we will have to find out how to reduce the database sizes and fit them onto a 4.7GB disc.
2. ROM program: The ROM program can run simple checks like looking for a specific file at an LBA. Those that have tried it can check the LBAs of each file on the two disc for mismatches.
3. On Disc: This is the most likely culprit as it gives Alpine the most flexibility across different hardware. Which means proper arrangement or edit of the files should make it possible.
Unfortunately I dont have DL discs at present so cant get much done yet
back to the orange, the drive not reading the disc could be from
1. Hardware+firmware+drivers i.e. The drive cannot read OTP disc as suggested by some.
I doubt this as the OTP was part of the original DVD-ROM specifications. The main consequence of OTP vs PTP is the mapping between physical locations, sector numbering, and LBA.
To eliminate this would require someone carrying out one of the known working hacks (like background change) using an OTP disc. To be thorough, the files should be burned onto layer 1 (as layer 0 is independent of track path).
If the player cant read OTP discs, then we will have to find out how to reduce the database sizes and fit them onto a 4.7GB disc.
2. ROM program: The ROM program can run simple checks like looking for a specific file at an LBA. Those that have tried it can check the LBAs of each file on the two disc for mismatches.
3. On Disc: This is the most likely culprit as it gives Alpine the most flexibility across different hardware. Which means proper arrangement or edit of the files should make it possible.
Unfortunately I dont have DL discs at present so cant get much done yet
Last edited by toslat; 11-06-2009 at 08:50 PM.
11-09-2009 | 01:58 PM
#168
Instructor
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Well i used a lite on drive with verbatim dl disc
and i used imgburn and read the isofile first and checked to see the sectors on that and then i burned the disc at 2.4x and
the sectors / data on my second disc was not the same as the iso, it was off by 1 or 2 k/b in a layer.
This maybe the problem.
But when i checked this is it said the iso was in OTP
and my burn was in OTP
and i used imgburn and read the isofile first and checked to see the sectors on that and then i burned the disc at 2.4x and
the sectors / data on my second disc was not the same as the iso, it was off by 1 or 2 k/b in a layer.
This maybe the problem.
But when i checked this is it said the iso was in OTP
and my burn was in OTP
12-08-2009 | 12:52 AM
#169
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12-11-2009 | 03:01 AM
#170
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From: H-town
has anyone tried creating an iso and then burning it? i had issues where i had write errors so i just created an iso of it. another thought is has anyone used dvdcrypter on it as well?
01-21-2010 | 07:49 AM
#173
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so I did manage to snag 3.9 and burnt it to a Verbatim DL disc using Win7 image burn. It failed. Navigation does not recognize the disc at all. I tried twice to "load" the disc from the operational screen but it didn't work. Stuck in my original from 2003 and it booted right up.
I did however notice a section where it says "load from disc" it also says "load from card" (or something similar) can we perhaps copy the loading files onto a flash card and have the system boot from it instead (since burning has been a problem)?
I did however notice a section where it says "load from disc" it also says "load from card" (or something similar) can we perhaps copy the loading files onto a flash card and have the system boot from it instead (since burning has been a problem)?
Last edited by encryption; 01-21-2010 at 07:52 AM.
01-29-2010 | 09:55 PM
#175
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From: Birmingham, AL
So, could you share where you found this image on the internet? Many people seem to have a copy of the .iso's floating around, but like everyone has said, they don't work once we burn them. We'd all love to know where you found your copy!
01-30-2010 | 02:20 AM
#176
Search "acura 4.63"
02-25-2010 | 11:17 AM
#179
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negative, apparently if you change some files that contain the street names and POIs to 0 byte sizes, you can burn the iso to a single layer dvd, which then allows the navigation to load. but that's pointless.
03-23-2010 | 10:17 AM
#184
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I was able to duplicate 4.63 very easily; however, i still have 4.62 original disc as a backup. Always good to have them, you can't really rely on copies because you never know when you're going to get an error. Best advise is to leave the original back up in the car (taped it up in a cd case so no scratches or finger prints can get to them).
05-17-2010 | 10:59 AM
#185
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I borrowed my friends '08 TL disk to try in my '07 RDX to see if they had included any of the new streets in my area. This test couldn't have turned out worse.
1. My old NAV-DVD doesn't work anymore as it's an older version.
2. They still haven't included the new streets in my area.
Does anybody know how to reset the navi to use the old NAV-DVD as I need to give my buddy his dvd back.. ;-)
1. My old NAV-DVD doesn't work anymore as it's an older version.
2. They still haven't included the new streets in my area.
Does anybody know how to reset the navi to use the old NAV-DVD as I need to give my buddy his dvd back.. ;-)
05-19-2010 | 06:08 PM
#193
4.81 is current for the white disk.
alann: The orange disk uses a different copy protection scheme. I understand that it is indeed crackable, but noone has done it yet. That is way beyond my skills.
alann: The orange disk uses a different copy protection scheme. I understand that it is indeed crackable, but noone has done it yet. That is way beyond my skills.
06-05-2010 | 12:40 PM
#198
If I recall correctly, you need to use a DVDR-DL to copy the 4.xx disks. I'll have to check my GF's Accord to make sure. The data will not fit on a CD-R.
08-09-2010 | 10:50 AM
#200
bumping...
i think i found the answer as to why we cannot create an operable nav dvd. forgive me if it has been explained...
http://www.gearsoftware.com/support/...opic.php?t=546
reading the info fro that link, the way the acura DVD is wrtten onto the disc is called PTP parallel track path. currently there is no recordable media (blank dl-dvds) that can have PTP written onto them, nor is there a DVD burner that can write in PTP.
seems like the only thing stopping this from working is finding how to write data in the same direction and pattern as the original disc so the dvd unit can read it. its not that we are copying the data wrong, its that we are unable to write it in the correct direction on the new disc.
looks like a NOGO
i think i found the answer as to why we cannot create an operable nav dvd. forgive me if it has been explained...
http://www.gearsoftware.com/support/...opic.php?t=546
reading the info fro that link, the way the acura DVD is wrtten onto the disc is called PTP parallel track path. currently there is no recordable media (blank dl-dvds) that can have PTP written onto them, nor is there a DVD burner that can write in PTP.
seems like the only thing stopping this from working is finding how to write data in the same direction and pattern as the original disc so the dvd unit can read it. its not that we are copying the data wrong, its that we are unable to write it in the correct direction on the new disc.
looks like a NOGO
DDP is only used by professionals. It is the format for the DVD master that is sent to the factory for mass replication. The encoder on the laserbeam recorder reads the DDP image in order to cut the glass master. The glass master is electroplated, in order to create nickel stampers. The stampers are loaded into an injection molding machine (one for each layer), creating DVD disc substrates (0.6 mm thick). The layer 0 substrate is partially metalized with silver, to a reflectivity of about 30%. The layer 1 substrate is coated with a fully reflective layer of silver (if I recall correctly, the reflectivity is almost 90%). The 2 substrates are bonded together, with the information layers on the inside. This is how pre-recorded DVDs are made.
Recordable DVDs, on the other hand, are manufactured with a "pre-groove". The burner follows the pre-groove during recording. This means that the burner doesn't have to have super-precision mechanical components, like massive air bearings and linear motors (with interferometer linear scales) in order to precisely space the tracks 0.74 microns apart. The laserbeam recorder creates a DVD-R (or DVD+R) master with a pre-groove, and the DVD burner has a servo tracking system that can follow the pre-groove. The pre-groove also has a slight wobble which contains timing information. The burner can read the wobble, and synchronize the rotation speed to the wobble signal.
So, anyhow... there is a big difference between replicated DVDs (mass produced, pre-recorded, no pre-groove, no dye layer, etc.) and recordable or duplicated DVDs (burned by a DVD recorder onto a dye layer, on top of a pre-groove).
I hope this helps you more than it confuses you!
Recordable DVDs, on the other hand, are manufactured with a "pre-groove". The burner follows the pre-groove during recording. This means that the burner doesn't have to have super-precision mechanical components, like massive air bearings and linear motors (with interferometer linear scales) in order to precisely space the tracks 0.74 microns apart. The laserbeam recorder creates a DVD-R (or DVD+R) master with a pre-groove, and the DVD burner has a servo tracking system that can follow the pre-groove. The pre-groove also has a slight wobble which contains timing information. The burner can read the wobble, and synchronize the rotation speed to the wobble signal.
So, anyhow... there is a big difference between replicated DVDs (mass produced, pre-recorded, no pre-groove, no dye layer, etc.) and recordable or duplicated DVDs (burned by a DVD recorder onto a dye layer, on top of a pre-groove).
I hope this helps you more than it confuses you!
Last edited by Waltah; 08-09-2010 at 10:52 AM.