krio

Sorry Invincible,
but I am italian and I have never been in USA. But I really would get at least 5 or 10% of the geniality of Ikeda, designer of the TL, and build such a beatiful car... It's my car!

krio

Altec,

there is many reasons to believe that the changes will be minamal for the exterior and interrio.
Ther reason is that the TL is the best selling sedan by Acura by three years in the row, and the design is no getting older...
There will be new led on the mirrors and something will be changed in the engine, a little bit more power, but you have to consider that Rl and TL got less powerful one year ago: 300 h.p.-290, 270 h.p - 258...
Than, the TSX has got this year in the restyling 205 h.p, not so much, than the TL could get something about 10-15 h.p more? or, maybe will be a Type-S version, as shown in Los Angeles in the 2004, with 300 h.p and 3.2 engine: I think will be HOWEVER 3.2 even with 300 h.p. There is no marketing reason for Acura to put in a restyling version the 3.5 that will be ready for the 2008-2009.
The SH-AWD is said, step by step, all sedans of Acura will get it, in the future, as standard or optionals.
It's useful and trandy an all wheel drive car the last few years (Lexus, Infiniti, Crysler, BMW...).
The reason why the SH-AWD will be however an OPTIONAL is maybe that the base MSRP TL would get too much expensive (now 33.500$ - with SH-awd something near to 40.000$), and than no target car in market as at the moment...

krio

[QUOTE=Smittymac]

For what I know, Acura has erased from production the RSX because too cheap and concurrent to the Civic Si...
Than, there are rumors about an Acura TSX, not TL, coupe and even cabrio for the 2007...
if we consider that the Honda Accord (sister of the TSX) has already a coupe version, and that the TSX after the TL is the best selling Acura sedan, it doesen't look impossible

krio

I believe it's more realistic to think about a TSX coupe-cabrio, than a TL... There are rumors allready about it. Of corse the TL would look great 3 doors!

krio

Yes, we know... And it means that the free place ileft by the too much cheap RSX n the line of Acura's model soon will get some new 3 doors coupe TSX, about that I'm sure!

krio

3.5, 3.5... mmmmh, It's seems strange. I don't understand why the 3.5 of the RL, when in the L.A. 2004 there were allready a prototype TL A-Spec 3.2 with 300 h.p...
I think that the 3.5 will be in the all new TL 2009 as standard engine...
Look at the BMW that with too small turbos got this year from the 3 liter engine 306 h.p...

037

the bimmers also got 255hp out of 3.0, we're dealing with a slightly larger displacement here.

AltecBX

I agree with you Krio. Honda will drop a coupe version of the TSX soon on the new '08 Accord platform. They will be dropping the '06 RSX this year. Acura wants to move up a scale in the Luxury division, and the only way to do that is to sell $25K+ and 200+HP cars while keeping 4 clyliders cars like Audi and Benz.

A_UFO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_TL#2007

Eeewwww. Clear taillights?

havenlock

I hope they're not too ricey. I wouldn't imagine so.

chill_dog

How many times are you guys going to post that $hit from Wikipedia? I think I've seen it in this thread at least 5 times, 2 on this page alone! And while many things on Wikipedia are correct, if you read the tone of the article, it's still just some guy's opinion as to what he thinks will happen, and it's nothing different from what has been tossed around on numerous other websites, not to mention in this thread.

ding069

OK, this thread is up to 16 pages now....
In this thread, or anywhere on acurazine are there any actual pics of an 07, or just the theorized chineese pics?

havenlock

there are no actual pics yet

krio

In the first page of the thread there is something, I think.

AltecBX

The '07 TL will receive the paddle shifters as the Honda accord '08 will get them as well, along with the RL, RDX, MDX, and Honda Fit.

jbrichar

I have an 04 TSX and want to trade up into a TL asap. love the current model but can't understand why the nav doesn't have the traffic updates. Does anyone know how to get the traffic feature or if it will be available in 07????? Thanks

krio

Gnam, gnam... It sounds good...

suntrader

Well, Planet Acura gave a quote about $60 over invoice for 06 TL with navi. but promised more if I showed up in person, and when I arrived at the dealership, they lowered it to $200 below invoice and threw in a free cargo mat.

sweetride01

Gosh, the wait is getting a little annoying for the '07. My dad is looking to replace his '03 TL-S soon (also so we don't have to get it a 3rd set of tires). The '02 TL-S update came out in April of '01, did it not??? By that logic, shouldn't they have already bought out the '07? Or, perhaps the'06s have been so popular that they are milking them for what they're worth before bringing out the '07. Who knows.

Raheel

2nd Generation

99 00 01 02 03

2002 TYPE S Came out in 2001


3rd Generation

04 05 06 07 08

2007 TYPE S OR MMC Will come out in Late 2006


Seems pretty on time to me, but the 2001 CLS Got Type-S Before so thats why 2002 TL-S Came out so early in 2001.

sweetride01

Good point

Mike_TX

I guess I wonder why you guys are so gung-ho on SH-AWD ... it hasn't helped keep the RL from tanking bigtime.

It adds weight, complexity and expense, and frankly most people don't seem to see the need for it. I mean, it's gee-whiz neat engineering, but it probably adds $1,500 - 2,000 to the price when everything is considered. I agree the FWD of the TL is a limiting factor, but I'd rather see it go to RWD than SH-AWD myself!

Msnowdon

I just wish we would see the Type S out, as I am bored with my TL and looking for something new.

Michael

whatjones911

I would rather see a RWD TL but that cost alot of money too compared to FWD. Probably cost as much as having SH-AWD

Mike_TX

I think that's my point.

And I also think it would be about as cheap for Acura to convert the TL to RWD as it would be to add SH-AWD to it.

meagain

We have a car that has to have oil added every other day. The engine lights are on and it's 'missing' or 'skipping'. I suppose any day now it will cease up. It also smokes. It's looking like we'll be getting a TL but don't know if this car can last long enough for the darned 07's to come out.

The lack of info is incredibly frustrating. It's almost June now. Counting June, from now till 2007, it's 6 months. I've never personally experienced new year models coming out in November. They've always come out sooner.

What month did the 2004 3rd gen come out? Or the newly tweaked TSX? Or at least the Hondas?
Surely someone on this planet HAS to know what month they expect to unleash these things. Minimally, my goodness! When the heck is ANY info on them going to be released? This is like some top secret government spy plane? Or a darned car?

I'd just be happy if someone could throw us a bone here. We are totally lost here at my house and it's getting stressful.

MikeElmendorf

The lack of info really shouldn't be that surprising. With 06s to sell, giving people reason to wait wouldn't make much business sense now, would it? But yes, it is frustrating. I'm currently pondering jumping to the RL (like the content; not so sure on the looks vs. my 04 TL), waiting to see what happens with the 07 TL or maybe even waiting on the new 07 G35. That looks interesting. I definitely want my next car to be AWD, and Audi doesn't interest me in the least.

A_UFO

meagain,

Expect information to come-out in August since that is when the Ohio plant starts building the 07 TL. Your dealership will not get the 07 on their lots until late October if you are lucky. More than likely, the dealership will get the 07 in November on their lots.

sweetride01

meagain, is it a dodge caravan you have? Those things smoke like no other. Perhaps you could get a used Volvo 850 or something in the meantime, while you wait for the TL, and since they've lost most of their depreciation, you shouldn't lose much money. The 850 wouldn't be too bad to have around for a couple months.
Then it's '07 TL time!

krio

[QUOTE=Mike_TX]I think that's my point.


Mike, the question is that the SH-AWD by Acura is not the AWD, for example, of the Audi.
The AWD by Audi is an "all time" working 4WD system: summer and winter (in snow winters it's simply FANTASTIC, I had an Audi A4 quattro before my TL).
But the AWD of an Audi doesn't resolve the biggest problem of all the Audi: an heavy front that spoils a sporty drive like the BMW (for that reason in the new RS4, S6 and S8, the distribution od the front-rear wheels is not 50:50, but 40:60, more similar to a RWD).

The Acura SH-AWD it's something like the 4-matic of the Merc, of the AWD of the Lexus or the Xi of BMW... It means that the car in normal conditions behave itself like a REAL RWD.
The electronic "feels" a situation of danger, snow, rain, or wet and only than the car begins to work with all the 4 wheels.

But the Acura SH-AWD got something MORE than the 4-matic and so on...
Something that you can find only in the best all wheel drive in the market: Mtisubishi EVO VIII and IX.
The distribution of the strenght on the wheels can be shared not only between front and rear wheels, but between left and right wheel front and rear, from 0% to 100%... That is realy a GREAT thing.
Than, with the SH-AWD, you will not feel sometimes the heavy nose of the FWD 270 h.p. TL, but a lighter one, as a RWD; and it means more handling and sporty drive.
But at the same time, if you live in Toronto and not in Miami, on the winter times you have the more safe guide of a real AWD.
For these reasons I think that the cost of a clever system as the Acura SH-AWD can be estimated in not less than 4 - 5000$...
I hope soon we'll get it on a TL.

meagain

It's a 2001? Camry. Company car type situation. Company buys Toyotas for their people and hubby's going to try hard to swing a TL. It might be a situation where this car blows up and he's forced into a 2006 TL which would be fairly painful when the 07's come out just a couple months after he gets his. But I guess it's better than getting another Camry. I don't care for the look of the 2007's. Certainly fugly compared to a TL. But still... I sure wish some REAL info would come out on them. We don't care about the motor or AWD rumors. Just the facelift, new Nav program, etc. Wishing they have new wheels as I hate the stock TL versions. Oh! And I pray they remove the cassette player or hide it. It really bothers me. Might as well be a big old ugly 8-track right in the dash! They did a nice job on updating the TSX.

winstrolvtec

More rumors in favor of the sh-awd. http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showt...oto=nextoldest

meagain

I'm assuming if one didn't want AWD with it's extra weight and assumably poorer MPG - one could still get a FWD version? And is it correct that a Type S is really an aspec? I really don't want the tighter suspension. The ride is already rougher than I like. I wish more info would come out on the styling and creature comforts vs. engine engine engine.

invincible569

very nice! Im really curious now as to what the price will be.

winstrolvtec

Thread been moved try this.http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69340

A_UFO

You will not be forced into the S type if it comes-out in 07. You have a choice of the TL or TL-S (or whatever they want to call it).

AltecBX

[QUOTE=krio] It only does 0 - 100% in the rear, not the fronts.

krio

Yes, you are right...

TL Muscle

Just like many of you guys, I'm waiting to see what the 07 really looks like - hoping it will be my next car. I thought I would wait until the 07 is announced before I choose between the 06 and 07, thinking I would have time to order an 06 at the last minute before they start building the 07 - if I wasn't thrilled with what was announced for the 07. But this sounds like I won't be able do do that. Is there indeed any time between the announcement of the new model year and the freezing of orders for the old model year?

Mike_TX

Yes, Krio - I know how the SH-AWD works.