I was hoping that Acura comes out with a PHEV or hybrid version of the RDX, because I would've strongly considered going with that vehicle as well. However, it sounds like Honda/Acura is going backwards in terms of trying to get an EV or PHEV out in the market. Honda got rid of the Clarity for the PHEV, and probably more likely should've brought more PHEV vehicles especially SUVs back into the line up. I would've immediately bought one over the Rav4 Prime as I prefer the driving characteristics of Honda over Toyota.

I really hope Acura comes with an ADX or some kind of PHEV (or even hybrid) in the near future, but it'll look like it would take a couple of years. Seems like Acura does not know which direction it is going, and just partnered with Sony for EVs, while also partnering with GM for batteries and production plant? Sounds like Honda/Acura is not really considering its future of EV or PHEV.

 

Yeah, it does take some time getting used to. I'll admit I do prefer hard buttons to pressing them on the screen for things like climate control or A/C, but you get used to it pretty fast. I do enjoy having a massive navigation screen though. There are tons of benefits going full EV, but there are also drawbacks. It's really neat in terms of performance as you get instant torque and you feel it, but not everyone owns a garage and can install a charger indoors. There's also concerns of range as well which are valid, but as technology gets better and improves, hopefully, the benefits far outweigh the cons.

For me, the benefits do massively outweigh the cons, but it really depends on the owner.

 

The cars they are building now show clearly that their strategy never accounted for energy problems down the road. Can't blame them as we have had several flip flops from governments and regulators. But right now, aside from Volvo, I don't think any other automaker has made the right level of investment for the kind of the energy problems we are seeing and will continue to see. Honda and Mazda seemed to have actually doubled-down their bet on cheap gas which is now backfiring. Their only saving grace is that supply chains have seized up limiting production of all vehicles, with EVs being even more impacted, which forces the consumer to buy whatever they can get their hands on. I don't see supply chains easing up any time soon either mainly because of skyrocketing commodity prices. So looks like Honda/Acura are part of the crowd frantically trying to pivot their strategy to account for high fuel costs.

 

I don't think Honda is going to be frantically pivoting.. They have never been risk-takers, and that's why I like them. Solid tech, solid dependability....go with what works.

There's always price fluctuations for energy, and this current problem with gas prices could very well be temporary.

 

Acura's first EV will be built by GM on the Ultium platform. (Honda is getting their own version wearing the Prologue name.) The ADX name was recently trademarked by Acura, but it's possible that name will be used on a new HR-V-based small ICE-powered crossover. Either way, it will be a GM product wearing Honda styling. It is unknown exactly what the mashup with Sony will produce, but they claim they'll start production on their own EV's in 2025, which means they'll be using the hardware and system Sony has already developed. Acura may not bother with PHEV's at all - instead choosing to transition directly from ICE to EV one model at a time. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Acura's first EV is the next generation RDX. Or possibly a reincarnated ZDX.

 

Without providing a time frame, temporary can refer to anything from picoseconds to billions of years. When you say temporary, are you talking months, years, or decades? My guess is that the US is in for at least decade of really bad inflation including energy prices going out of control. Once people wake up to this, no one will be buying a pure gas engine anymore. And Acura just got rid of their last hybrid save the NSX which also appears to be on the way out. This means they will be forced to pivot. They are now building and marketing Type S variants and the time for that has long passed. It has clearly turned out to be the wrong strategy.

 

I dunno. There's never been "a decade of really bad inflation". It was really bad in the late-70's/early-80's, but not 10 years worth. Plus we werent even really a global economy back then, so there's so many more variables, and no real way to know how it will play out.

 

Agree - it is not pivoting nor temporary, however more of where the new federal regulations are going and money is flowing toward it. It's a industry shift to bring out EV's and build a charging network to support it, As technology increases - so will range, smaller/lighter batteries and less degradation. Oil is still needed to make the plastics, interiors, tires and a lot of other content in the vehicles.

In terms of vehicles, both the US, EU and Canada are making regulations that favor the "go green" drive. I won't debate that "go green" is actually "greener", as it is not for the current EV vehicles. Then add in, we (USA) are no longer energy independent, gas prices have tripled in 18 months and gas prices are going to only move north. Sadly Honda/Acura (and several other MFG's) seemed to be caught out by these massive changes in a short time span.

 

Hmm, interesting, but Mazda just released a PHEV in Europe the CX-60, which they will bring the CX-70 to the US sometime in the next year or two.

 

I would disagree with this when they came out a half-baked infotainment system in the 2019 RDX when it was first debuted which ended up in a class action lawsuit which Honda/Acura was forced to extend the warranty. Overall, it was a half-baked vehicle. Look at how many TSBs there were for the 2019 Acura RDX and you'll see how half-baked it truly was.

As for the infotainment system for 19-20 RDX's, there were three to four revisions to the TSB, and it still isn't fixed completely.

 

Which makes them late to the game. They too are reacting.

 

maybe, but they're doing it better than anyone else.
in the segment.

 

All first year vehicles are like this. I refuse to buy them if I can help it. Ive been bit by it, too.

 

Either way, as gas prices go up, it becomes more and more economical to have a hybrid, PHEV, or EV vehicle. Even if electricity costs go up, it will not overtake gas prices. I expect the next couple of years won't be pretty. You're right, we won't know how it will play out, but given this war between Russia and Ukraine and now it's pretty much in 'stalemate.' I don't expect gas prices to come down at least for the next couple of years. I expect gas prices to be still around $4 or so per gallon. With summer approaching, gas prices will continue to go up.

Some analysts are predicting $200 a barrel of oil.

 

You mean the reacting part? Last I know they were trying to get the auto world excited about a new inline 6. The German automakers have been much quicker to pivot/react to the change offering a plethora of hybrid options with EVs on the way, while Volvo has been ahead all along. The Japanese automakers are very slow to move. Toyota is the only one with good investment in this space.

Volvo seems to be making 2 big mistakes now -- they are playing the de-contenting game disappointing long-term owners that are upgrading to newer cars and they have partnered with Google for infotainment (which turns out owners think is worse than their Sensus). Their electrification strategy was on target.

 

Not every first year vehicle. I had a 2007 Lexus ES in its first debut year and it had way less issues than the RDX I had. I also owned a 2007 Infiniti G35x in its first debut year with no issues either. For some reason, the RDX was the worst first year vehicle I've owned.

In fact, my 2022 Acura MDX (another first year debut) has ZERO issues.

 

I believe they also took sold their polestar brand to a Chinese company for EV's only brand.

 

Volvo has been owned by Geely all along. Geely is using Polestar as an EV-only brand. This is why I think they are headed downhill. Initially they let the Swedes run everything, but now they are playing all kinds of games. But then so are all other manufacturers in a sort of race to the bottom.

 

Volvo is owned by the same Chinese company..Geely..since 2010

 

didn't you get number 400 or something? InagineImagine #400 of the Mach Es. Roof be gone, yo!

 

No Mach E actually had a roof blown off. Ford did a recall before any issue exhibited for the cars and less than 20k of them were on the road at the time and only 6 months after release. At least better than Acura RDX where they continued to have issues even in 2020 models for the infotainment system. Acura was WELL aware of the infotainment issues and decided not to do anything about them and let customers get angry enough for a class action lawsuit to take place. Yet, Acura still decides not to replace the defective infotainment systems.

2019-2020 Acura RDX Infotainment System Defect Class Action (gs-legal.com)

Acura sold 130k vehicles with the defective infotainment system.

I guess the lesson for me is, never buy an Acura with a brand new infotainment system of its kind. I heard Acura had infotainment problems in other older models as well of the first generation. And yes, my Acura RDX 3rd gen was the 400th one ever built according to VIN. It was also annoying that Acura promised that Android Auto would be coming to those models, but didn't implement them until two years later with a software update which was at least a year after they promised the date for the RDX when it came out.

 

yes, this is why I did not buy one in 2019, but a cx5 instead. Now, the rdx is pretty squared away, and Im enjoying one.

 

Acura announced that they are going straight to EV so they will be skipping hybrids, which I think is unfortunate; the MDX and RLX hybrids were neat vehicles and I wish that they would have expanded on them vs discontinuing them.

My 2009 TSX Tech still has infotainment gremlins and it's had them since day one. Things like the back up camera not turning on, pressing a button for Disc but it selects BT audio, goofy stuff. And it's not all of the time either and will just randomly happen.

 

This is the least amount of time I’ll will have ever owned a vehicle. I tried to stick with it, but every two weeks is in the shop. The constant problems and the shit warranty where nothing gets fixed, constant run around. Less than 5k miles I’ve put on this and have to get rid of it, been maybe 6 months. Like if things actually got fixed I’d be ok. But Acura takes it for a day or two and hands me a back a big RO list of “fixed” things that aren’t fixed. Or weird ass excuses as to why they can’t, even after acknowledging there is issues. They try to charge for warranty work or other things that are covered. I have pics and videos of the issues, cases opened and escalated. Corporate just says to bring it back in. The next closest dealer is 2 hours away and has no loaners. Have had every tsb done and hasn’t fixed things. They refuse to fix correctly because they say they’ve already done the tsb/warranty work and won’t do more than once, even though the issues persist. So frustrated and infuriated. Literally the worst vehicle I have ever owned, with a warranty they only can “fix” things once. Now they want to gut the whole interior to replace the headunit and the roof. They still haven’t fixed the blown a pillar speaker I’ve had since I got it and was in shop again last week for it and a myriad of other issues. Sorry if I jumped around, but This is the least amount of time I’ll will have ever owned a vehicle. I tried to stick with it, but every two weeks is in the shop. The constant problems and the shit warranty where nothing gets fixed, constant run around. Less than 5k miles I’ve put on this and have to get rid of it, been maybe 6 months. Like if things actually got fixed I’d be ok. But Acura takes it for a day or two and hands me a back a big RO list of “fixed” things that aren’t fixed. Or weird ass excuses as to why they can’t, even after acknowledging there is issues. They try to charge for warranty work or other things that are covered. I have pics and videos of the issues, cases opened and escalated. Corporate just says to bring it back in. The next closest dealer is 2 hours away and has no loaners. Have had every tsb done and hasn’t fixed things. They refuse to fix correctly because they say they’ve already done the tsb/warranty work and won’t do more than once, even though the issues persist. So frustrated and infuriated. Literally the worst vehicle I have ever owned, with a warranty they only can “fix” things once. Now they want to gut the whole interior to replace the headunit and the roof. They still haven’t fixed the blown a pillar speaker I’ve had since I got it and was in shop again last week for it and a myriad of other issues. Sorry if I jumped around, but this has been a nightmare and unsafe at times where it’s gone into limp mode or the brake warning will randomly pop up and flash and cuts power for a few seconds when there’s nothing around me. List goes on and on. Have had more issues in 5k miles than I’ve had in the last 250k miles in my last few vehicles combined. Got another month before vehicle I secured arrives. Can’t come soon enough. Gonna park this and take the Harley starting tomorrow. List goes on and on. Have had more issues in 5k miles than I’ve had in the last 250k miles in my last few vehicles combined. Got another month before vehicle I secured arrives. Can’t come soon enough. Gonna park this and take the Harley starting tomorrow until new ride comes in. I will never buy another Honda/Acura anything. They can go fuck themselves. Hope yours are good and appreciate the time here in the forum. This has been the only positive Acura experience to date.

 

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Sounds like you got a lemon and a terrible dealer.

 

I’m not writing an apa format paper, is a forum post. Just frustrated and venting.

 

Well, my Acura RDX was sold, so it is someone else's problem. I kind of feel bad that someone else had to pick up a car with a lot of infotainment issues and it was being marked as $42k at the dealership. Probably sold for around $40-41k. Knowing that infotainment issue would just drive me nuts especially on a car that expensive.

Anyways, on another side note, no problems with the Mach E so far, already put over 1k miles on it, and saved myself about $150 in gas costs in 5 weeks I had it. I don't miss the RDX at all, and am still waiting on the Rav 4 Prime to be delivered. It seems to be held up by a software recall for now. The Mach E is a beast while driving, and always puts a smile to my face, far more than the RDX ever did. The only criticism I have of it is I wished it had better ambient lighting like the LED strips the MDX has on the doors. Mach E does have LED RGB lighting, but I prefer the LED strips like on the German cars or the MDX.

I'm now driving the MDX a lot more now as my significant other took over my Mach E for the time being and really love the vehicle. The MDX is a good vehicle, but I really hate its 19 mpg fuel economy. It's funny though, because it actually has the same fuel economy as my RDX while I had it. It does drive more like a boat and definitely heavier. The MDX does have a lot more luxury features over the RDX, which I do enjoy.

I'll keep this thread updated once I drive the Rav4 Prime when I receive it and as I compare to the RDX.

 

having owned a Prime, other than acceleration on clean pavement, and mpg, its horrible.

 

Be sure to check this out:
Another early goodbye story……..

 

Hogwash - every vehicle has issues, regardless of MFG, ICE or electric. YouTube reviews are "very bias", especially the last one you referenced - as they are "Tesla super fans". There goal is "click bait ad lines for views and $$$. I wish our member with his new Mustang Mache GT and MDX the best. Sure wish my RDX got better MPG and not averaging 17 mpg in the city with some highway driving. Quality - the RDX is OK - just try taking some things apart and see clips and push pins break.

 

Agree…..yet we are at 230 plus posts in a goodbye thread………..debating other brands that have more issues and beating up the RDX.

 

I mean, what does one expect? This thread set a very low bar starting out.

OP: "I bought the first of several hundred of a totally new model produced and it sucked because it needed a lot of refinement and had some issues later corrected that were left unaddressed in my car. In response, I have purchased a first year model SUV/CUV PEV from a company which has never made a PEV before, and whos current big sellers in the SUV class rank near the bottom of the list regarding quality and reliability. I do not think anything major will go wrong."

Did anyone expect logic to reign supreme in this thread? Anyone?

 

Whatever this thread lacked in interest it made up for in duration. Talk about a long goodbye!

 

I also bought a brand new redesign of the MDX just months into production. So what? I can tell you that out of all three of brand new vehicles in their first year of production I received in the past three years, the RDX is by far the worst beta product designed vehicle I purchased. Look at the amount of TSBs. The MDX has been completely rock solid, with no issues, and I also have experienced no issues from the Mustang Mach E either. I also bought an Infiniti G35x in 2007, the first year into production and it had absolutely no issues. My 2020 Toyota Rav4, 2nd year into production has NO issues either. I also had a 2007 Lexus ES350, first model year of a new redesign too and it had the 'unintended acceleration issue' which I never experienced. It did have a oil hose issue that was later recalled years later. Overall, it had less issues than the Acura RDX.

At least IMHO, I've never owned a first year model product that was as worse as the RDX.

I understand you enjoy your RDX about 4 years into production, but please, don't discount the fact that the Acura RDX in its first two years of production was very flawed, and frankly, terrible compared to other manufacturers. I'm sure Acura has already fixed out the bugs by now.

Do I expect issues out of a first model redesign? Yes of course. I also expect some kinks that needed to work out. I am prepared for issues based on my many years of buying first year vehicles. Did I expect THAT many issues coming from Acura, a supposedly luxury manufacturer? No. It's crazy how Acura's TSB even included a brake squealing issue or a lower control arm squeak issues that needed replacing. Brakes took SEVERAL REVISED TSBs to eventually get it fixed. Brakes shouldn't be that hard. It's been around for decades.

Not to mention, Acura also kept lying about getting Android Auto available for the infotainment by a certain date, but didn't let that happen for 2 years. It took a class action lawsuit for them to finally release that update.

My Mustang Mach E? No brake squealing, no infotainment issues, no suspension squeaks, no rear tailgate groan. These things should be basic when designing a vehicle. RDX in its first two years of production really failed in terms of that. It wasn't like that the RDX was revolutionary compared to other vehicles on its first year of release. The most impressive part was the 2.0t engine and the SH-AWD.

 

Tbh, I did expect the Mach E GT to have far more issues than I did with the Acura RDX. You're right. It's a first year model of a completely new powertrain designed from a non-luxury car manufacturer. However, I am very pleasantly surprised and it actually has NO issues that I can find so far with the vehicle. It doesn't have any of the annoyances I had with the RDX. In fact, this just goes to show that Acura really did screw up the first couple of years of the RDX. The technology on the Mach E GT is superior to that of the RDX (first model year for Ford to even make that kind of infotainment), and yet, no issues. The whole RDX experience left a sour taste in my mouth. I got the MDX out of necessity, because I needed a 7 seater SUV and I was offered $4500 off MSRP for that vehicle back in September 2021 and I couldn't pass up on that deal given everywhere was MSRP or higher.

Ford just announced the Mach E GT's MSRP went up by $4000 starting this month. It's now sold out for ordering for this whole year. I'm glad I got the vehicle and feel really lucky when I did, which means the value of my vehicle just went up. Sometimes, I really just enjoy smoking other vehicles at a traffic light. I'm also paying less monthly than I did with the RDX, and the gas savings.

 

Really?? The dude is totally venting about his vehicle, and your comment trivializes it to his writing style. C’mon, you can be better than that.

 

I couldn’t agree more. Almost two months of saying “goodbye”. Let me summarize what we know so @mathnerd88 can move on:

1)OP had a bad experience with his RDX✔️,
2)OP got rid of said RDX✔️,
3)OP purchased a Ford Mustang Mach-E✔️,
4)OP is please with purchase of said Mach-E✔️,
5)OP needs to join Mach-E forum,

Let’s encourage OP to put a check mark next to #5

 

I was off for a while, but people keep replying to the thread which is why I'm back again. Not my fault. If you guys want it to die, stop replying to this thread. I am already on the Mach E Forum.

I also own a 2022 Acura MDX, so I'm still active on the forums here as well. Sorry to disappoint.

 

Did you get the GT or Select or what? i find myself looking at PEVs. The EV6 GT Line currently has my attention due to having a heat pump and solid performance with a very nice interior.