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I like Sam for his effort but when it comes to testing and content...not sure.
How can you compare a RDX to those other two monsters? Both are thousands of dollars more expensive and have significant more power. I would like to see RDX vs. Qashqai & Seltos. Let's see which one wins
From a price comparison it would be much closer to equal to compare the 2.5l I4 GV70 to the RDX.
No surprise a car with 375 hp smokes a car with 272 hp.
yes, but this was a fan car thats been tuned. still not an equal comparison, but a bit of "why not".
that GV is fassst. i wonder how it holds up. not super familiar with hyundais, has the motor been in other cars and tuned and what not? that's alot of juice.
yes, but this was a fan car thats been tuned. still not an equal comparison, but a bit of "why not".
that GV is fassst. i wonder how it holds up. not super familiar with hyundais, has the motor been in other cars and tuned and what not? that's alot of juice.
It's based on the existing 3.3 which is an extremely stout design. The forged crank sits deep in the block. The main caps are attached with 4 bolts + 2 cross bolts.
It will hold up just fine.
yes, but this was a fan car thats been tuned. still not an equal comparison, but a bit of "why not".
that GV is fassst. i wonder how it holds up. not super familiar with hyundais, has the motor been in other cars and tuned and what not? that's alot of juice.
I would have rather they matched it up against an X3 M40i which is a lot closer in price and would have left them both behind.
It's based on the existing 3.3 which is an extremely stout design. The forged crank sits deep in the block. The main caps are attached with 4 bolts + 2 cross bolts.
It will hold up just fine.
do you have a fiche and construction info on the rods, pistons, wrist pins, and cylinder heads?
yes, but this was a fan car thats been tuned. still not an equal comparison, but a bit of "why not".
that GV is fassst. i wonder how it holds up. not super familiar with hyundais, has the motor been in other cars and tuned and what not? that's alot of juice.
The 3.5TT is reserved to Genesis only ( at least by now). On the contrary the 2.5T is used in top of the line Hyundai and Sorento ( but tuned to have a few Hp less) and with a 8 speed wet DCT ( the Genesis have a traditional 8 speed transmission).
dunno why i cant PM you...any way you could share? thank you!
Probably because I have PM turned off. Anyhow I dug the manual out one more time and took a couple of screen shots for you. Note the full floating wrist pins and "Bee Hive" type valve springs which are common on high performance high reving motors. All in all a very sophisticated rotating assembly and valve train.
Probably because I have PM turned off. Anyhow I dug the manual out one more time and took a couple of screen shots for you. Note the full floating wrist pins and "Bee Hive" type valve springs which are common on high performance high reving motors. All in all a very sophisticated rotating assembly and valve train.
rods look pretty skinny. no taper.
dual injection is cool
11.0:1 is pretty high CR for a turbo motor.
bore x stroke looks good. not a truck motor like the B58.
couldnt find the redline ANYWHERE tho...pretty sad tech specs are so hard to come by. plenty of diagrams about CWWD tho.
-no rocker arms in that valve train? bucket only? am i missing something? that's interesting to me.
Last edited by FactoryMatt; 11-04-2021 at 08:55 PM.
I like Sam for his effort but when it comes to testing and content...not sure.
How can you compare a RDX to those other two monsters? Both are thousands of dollars more expensive and have significant more power. I would like to see RDX vs. Qashqai & Seltos. Let's see which one wins
Eh, it was still nice to see what a tuned RDX could do. That being said, I don't know where the jabroni got 350-360HP ... typical Honda-fanboy math. With a K-Tuner/Hondata Stage 2, it's likely putting the RDX right around 300HP at the crank. But, it sheds some light on some rice racer thinking a tune will let him keep up with those caliber of vehicles. Not even close.
I like Sam for his effort but when it comes to testing and content...not sure.
How can you compare a RDX to those other two monsters? Both are thousands of dollars more expensive and have significant more power. I would like to see RDX vs. Qashqai & Seltos. Let's see which one wins
It's a great comparison to be honest. There's a huge misconception that a "Tuned" vehicle is "way faster" vs a non tuned. If this was for example the 2021 M550i and you do a stage 1 tune (157 hp / 73 tq DME tune stage 1) then yes it will be noticeable but put up against an actual M5 you'd still lose but by how much? No idea. Ideally for these smaller engines (2.0) they don't squeeze enough power with a tune to make a big difference. It could make the difference of .1-.3 quicker from 0-60. Most of the time you tune these smaller engines to get a little more pep out of them but the truth is like leomio said, owners who tune their vehicles don't understand how those gains are rated. 90% of the time it's to the flywheel. Best way to wake up most 2.0T is at least a downpipe and tune. More extreme is to upgrade the turbo as well including high pressure fuel pump. By the time you do that, the difference to buy one of these other vehicles is not that far off.
Originally Posted by Jim7707
I would have rather they matched it up against an X3 M40i which is a lot closer in price and would have left them both behind.
I would have liked to see this as well, but the reality is the X3 M40i would leave them far behind. If i'm ever near Sam's area with my M40i, i'll hit him up. I'm not stock so it wouldn't be a fair fight depending on what's lining up.
Originally Posted by FactoryMatt
LOL. the 'i-wish-it-was-a-hybrid-and-rode-like-a-lexus' forum?
I always appreciate users who go above and beyond and post details of such things. Kuddos man!
Originally Posted by leomio2.0
Eh, it was still nice to see what a tuned RDX could do. That being said, I don't know where the jabroni got 350-360HP ... typical Honda-fanboy math. With a K-Tuner/Hondata Stage 2, it's likely putting the RDX right around 300HP at the crank. But, it sheds some light on some rice racer thinking a tune will let him keep up with those caliber of vehicles. Not even close.
That's the sad truth. As I said to Tony, a lot of misleading information and lack of common sense when it comes to tuning. A lot of car guys, assume these figures are to the wheels and not to the crank. Some are, however a majority aren't.
It's a great comparison to be honest. There's a huge misconception that a "Tuned" vehicle is "way faster" vs a non tuned. If this was for example the 2021 M550i and you do a stage 1 tune (157 hp / 73 tq DME tune stage 1) then yes it will be noticeable but put up against an actual M5 you'd still lose but by how much? No idea. Ideally for these smaller engines (2.0) they don't squeeze enough power with a tune to make a big difference. It could make the difference of .1-.3 quicker from 0-60. Most of the time you tune these smaller engines to get a little more pep out of them but the truth is like leomio said, owners who tune their vehicles don't understand how those gains are rated. 90% of the time it's to the flywheel. Best way to wake up most 2.0T is at least a downpipe and tune. More extreme is to upgrade the turbo as well including high pressure fuel pump. By the time you do that, the difference to buy one of these other vehicles is not that far off.
Honestly, for an RDX to keep up with an X3 M40i, I would think full bolt-ons + upgraded turbo + tune. And then the X3 just slaps on a tune of its own and it's back to square one. Not to mention,at those power figures, I don't think the drivetrain is holding up very well in the RDX for very long.
Honestly, for an RDX to keep up with an X3 M40i, I would think full bolt-ons + upgraded turbo + tune. And then the X3 just slaps on a tune of its own and it's back to square one. Not to mention,at those power figures, I don't think the drivetrain is holding up very well in the RDX for very long.
I've seen this logic quiet often. Modify one vehicle to "Beat" a stock vehicle for bragging rights. Sounds a lot like the TLX group? Modify a type-s (which doesn't exist) to beat a stock M340i or an M3 (yes a few said M3..) But when I asked, "well what if they are also modified then what?" I'm greeted with silence..
I've seen this logic quiet often. Modify one vehicle to "Beat" a stock vehicle for bragging rights. Sounds a lot like the TLX group? Modify a type-s (which doesn't exist) to beat a stock M340i or an M3 (yes a few said M3..) But when I asked, "well what if they are also modified then what?" I'm greeted with silence..
Yep, and then the two main arguments for going with Acura go out the window: value and reliability. Then they're faced with the reality that they're really just a basic Acura fanboy. *insert reeeee*
I placed my order for a GV70 2.5t advanced on Aug 2021 and it finally arrived last week. So far I have been wowed by nearly everything with GV70. About the only item my RDX 2018 was equal or better at was the stereo. While the GV70 sounds very nice, it will not blow you out of the vehicle unless you crank it up to max. Luckily, the vehicle is so quiet on the road, you don't need to. As for the HP, coming from the 2018 RDX with nearly the same HP, the GV70 feels like a rocket and that is only in comfort mode (not Sport). I hope to enjoy is for years to come.
I placed my order for a GV70 2.5t advanced on Aug 2021 and it finally arrived last week. So far I have been wowed by nearly everything with GV70. About the only item my RDX 2018 was equal or better at was the stereo. While the GV70 sounds very nice, it will not blow you out of the vehicle unless you crank it up to max. Luckily, the vehicle is so quiet on the road, you don't need to. As for the HP, coming from the 2018 RDX with nearly the same HP, the GV70 feels like a rocket and that is only in comfort mode (not Sport). I hope to enjoy is for years to come.
A 2023 GV70 is on our list of possibilities for next purchase...I am surprised that the order process was so long ( 8 months?). I don't know what I expected ( 2-3 months maybe?...but, what do I know). However I do think there is a strong likelihood that ordering will happen assuming the supply/inventory issues that just won't seem to go away.
One of my neighbor switched from 2019 RDX A-SPEC to 2.4L GV70 about 2 weeks ago. I asked him if he is happy with the switch and his short answer was both cars have pluses and minuses and he joked by saying he will tell me in a month or so when he takes his new GV70 for a road trip. I see more and more GV70 on the road here in Montreal. I think Genesis will have success with GV70 as I see there is no discounts vs G70 you can find brand new $3-$4K below MSRP.
What area are you in and did you pay over MSRP?
I came so close to buying GV70 2.5T Select because there were no RDXs to be had in my area.
Originally Posted by wuffy
I placed my order for a GV70 2.5t advanced on Aug 2021 and it finally arrived last week. So far I have been wowed by nearly everything with GV70. About the only item my RDX 2018 was equal or better at was the stereo. While the GV70 sounds very nice, it will not blow you out of the vehicle unless you crank it up to max. Luckily, the vehicle is so quiet on the road, you don't need to. As for the HP, coming from the 2018 RDX with nearly the same HP, the GV70 feels like a rocket and that is only in comfort mode (not Sport). I hope to enjoy is for years to come.
Sometimes the magazines are limited as to which vehicles they can get to review/compare. We all know the limited availability of new cars these days. I would imagine that applies to the press fleets as well.
Sometimes the magazines are limited as to which vehicles they can get to review/compare. We all know the limited availability of new cars these days. I would imagine that applies to the press fleets as well.
Yeah, well it does have this little tidbit at the beginning of the article: "Unfortunately, the vast number of vehicles in this segment is matched by the vast scope of the auto industry's supply disruptions. Vehicle shortages made a giant comparison test impossible."
Yeah, well it does have this little tidbit at the beginning of the article: "Unfortunately, the vast number of vehicles in this segment is matched by the vast scope of the auto industry's supply disruptions. Vehicle shortages made a giant comparison test impossible."
Heh! You know, I was going to say "I have NOT read the article yet" but decided not to. Prefer to get the paper version in the mail for "throne" reading.
11-03-2021, 03:06 PM
Prefer to get the paper version in the mail for "throne" reading.