The Official 2009 TSX Thread **Unvelied in NY**
02-13-2008, 08:41 AM
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I saw you on the Westminster dog show last night. I threw my complimentary drink at the widescreen when the judge did not choose you. They escorted me out shortly after.
I saw you on the Westminster dog show last night. I threw my complimentary drink at the widescreen when the judge did not choose you. They escorted me out shortly after.
02-13-2008, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ninjamyst
Did they?
"Typical of Acura, the TSX offers an exceptional level of standard equipment. Included are a standard power passenger seat... "
"Typical of Acura, the TSX offers an exceptional level of standard equipment. Included are a standard power passenger seat... "
02-13-2008, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wackura
Hardly any of that is particularily new technology. "Dash mounted electronic compass" Woohooo!!! I've been waiting for one of those since 1985.
I kind of like that Acura is selling the exact same car again. It's like they're setting me free. You've been brand loyal long enough. Maybe you should look at other makes that are inherently more powerful and luxurious. Acura will never be the Japanese BMW; get over your fears and test drive a German product.
I kind of like that Acura is selling the exact same car again. It's like they're setting me free. You've been brand loyal long enough. Maybe you should look at other makes that are inherently more powerful and luxurious. Acura will never be the Japanese BMW; get over your fears and test drive a German product.
All those new gizmo's are nice and all and I'm sure its a selling point for some. but I could care less.
Dynamically. I'd be very surprised if this car is any better than the current gen. Given the fact that it will weigh more.
Very disappointed doesn't even begin to describe my feelings about this car.
02-13-2008, 08:58 AM
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Im going with ze germans, for my next car i want 335i if i dont have that much cash for that il just go with the 135i ahahaha same i think on all bmws they dont charge maintenance for the first 4 years Now thats a nice feature
Silly acura!
Some one should put up a poll who will buy this new tsx?
Silly acura!
Some one should put up a poll who will buy this new tsx?
02-13-2008, 09:11 AM
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Random thoughts:
There are a lot of styling cues derived fron the RDX (fenders and tail lights to name a few)
I think that Acura is making a mistake by not offering a Turbo AWD model. I'd hit one of those...
I also don't get why would Honda develope an all new Turbo engine and only use it on the RDX.
There are a lot of styling cues derived fron the RDX (fenders and tail lights to name a few)
I think that Acura is making a mistake by not offering a Turbo AWD model. I'd hit one of those...
I also don't get why would Honda develope an all new Turbo engine and only use it on the RDX.
02-13-2008, 09:14 AM
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FWIW, they haven't lost me until at least 2014. This is when I'll likely replace my 05 TSX.
02-13-2008, 09:29 AM
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Wow ... just wow (and not in a good way) 
So put me in the camp waiting for the Turbo I4 and SH-AWD combo, but somehow I am REALLY doubting Honda/Acura will make this move. It's really a shame because I think the car out the outside is fine and the inside will be a great change, but drivetrain, drivetrain, drivetrain .......
P.S. Dom .... they FINALLY got the compass I always wanted in the '04 TSX when it came out
So put me in the camp waiting for the Turbo I4 and SH-AWD combo, but somehow I am REALLY doubting Honda/Acura will make this move. It's really a shame because I think the car out the outside is fine and the inside will be a great change, but drivetrain, drivetrain, drivetrain .......
P.S. Dom .... they FINALLY got the compass I always wanted in the '04 TSX when it came out
02-13-2008, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by provench
P.S. Dom .... they FINALLY got the compass I always wanted in the '04 TSX when it came out
I had forgotten about all those compass threads. Maybe they were reading the boards...err maybe not.
02-13-2008, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
@ 201 
Not sure why we keep expecting so much more from Honda.
With Honda's in particular, the hp figure alone doesn't carry much weight with me, because you can increase hp without changing the torque in the typical driving band one iota just by letting the engine rev a few RPM higher. You wouldn't notice this unless they either reduced the gear ratios, or you redline the car.
Of course, they may eat up that torque increase with added weight. 5% is only 150 lbs or so with a 3000 lb car.
02-13-2008, 09:57 AM
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It will weigh at least 150lbs more. You can take that to the bank. Going backwards with HP in an ALL NEW CAR isn't a good thing IMO. I don't care how much more usable TQ it has. Was keeping it at 205 asking so much? It not as though there's a significant MPG increase either.
02-13-2008, 10:01 AM
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02-13-2008, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
It will weigh at least 150lbs more. You can take that to the bank. Going backwards with HP in an ALL NEW CAR isn't a good thing IMO. I don't care how much more usable TQ it has. Was keeping it at 205 asking so much? It not as though there's a significant MPG increase either.
Power to weight ratio!
I'm using 3000lbs because its an easy estimated number for the current model.
08 205hp @ 3000lbs = 14.634 Hp/lbs
09 215hp @ 3150lbs = 14.651 Hp/lbs close to no differance
over 200lbs added
09 215hp @ 3200lbs = 14.545 Hp/lbs negative compared to 08
Gosh they better be added at least 30 hp with minimal 150lbs added to attract anybody.
02-13-2008, 10:24 AM
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I'm dissapointed too... but if they've managed to significantly change how soon the power comes on in 2nd - 6th gear, maybe some Honda magic they've cooked up, then this tsx may perform pretty well....I highly doubt, but i hope.
I had forgotten about all those compass threads.
I remember those threads LOL.... was funny stuff.
..man i've been away for a while...
Originally Posted by dom
I had forgotten about all those compass threads. ..man i've been away for a while...
02-13-2008, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JAB00
100% agree. I've posted this sentiment multiple times these past few days. It's ridiculous to me that people are expecting a radically different car. The new TSX looks good. It looks better (sportier) than the 1st gen. I'm a 3gen TLer. I've had my car for 3yrs. If I were in the market for a new car, I'd have this on my list.
The TSX had to be VERY similar to the european Accord. As the Legend is a copy of the RL. The next TL will get farther from the image of "big sister of the TSX". It is the best selling car of Acura range, and is 100% "american make" and on this car Acura is putting ever.thing she knows about cars... It will be a fantastic car. No doubt.
02-13-2008, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cbusAcuracls
Power to weight ratio!
I'm using 3000lbs because its an easy estimated number for the current model.
08 205hp @ 3000lbs = 14.634 Hp/lbs
09 215hp @ 3150lbs = 14.651 Hp/lbs close to no differance
over 200lbs added
09 215hp @ 3200lbs = 14.545 Hp/lbs negative compared to 08
Gosh they better be added at least 30 hp with minimal 150lbs added to attract anybody.
I'm using 3000lbs because its an easy estimated number for the current model.
08 205hp @ 3000lbs = 14.634 Hp/lbs
09 215hp @ 3150lbs = 14.651 Hp/lbs close to no differance
over 200lbs added
09 215hp @ 3200lbs = 14.545 Hp/lbs negative compared to 08
Gosh they better be added at least 30 hp with minimal 150lbs added to attract anybody.
09 has 201 HP
So it should look something like...
08 205hp @ 3268 (6MT with NAV) = 15.91 HP/lbs
09 201hp @ 3418 (3268+150) = 17.00 HP/lbs
The added torque and improved gearing would I imagine make the 09 at least on par with an 08 acceleration wise though.
02-13-2008, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JAB00
100% agree. I've posted this sentiment multiple times these past few days. It's ridiculous to me that people are expecting a radically different car. The new TSX looks good. It looks better (sportier) than the 1st gen. I'm a 3gen TLer. I've had my car for 3yrs. If I were in the market for a new car, I'd have this on my list.
Cars with looks that have to grow on you: Elements, Fits, maybe the accord. All are sub 30K for starting.
In my book, any car that is considered entry to lux and usually priced at 30K plus, the looks should stir some type of emotion and desire to want to get inside and drive the car. I would never spend more than 30K on a car that looks had to grow on me. I love my current TSX, more so than the new redesign, and would choose to keep it over upgrading to any more Acuras at this point if that was my only choice. Since Audi, BMW both seem to get the picture of next gen changes to engines, sheetmetal and interior, it seems Acura has missed the boat in my opinion on this one. It stands to reason, if you purchased an entry level lux sedan in 04 from Acura, it's 4 years later, you have more income, and possibly refined your likes and dislikes; so now acura says, hey, this is the new TSX, pretty boring huh?, and the TL may not be much better. But hey look at our retooled RL, if you're wanting to step up.
Most other companies, Lexus, Infi, BMW, Audi, GM all look at it as if you bought a sports sedan and maybe you dont want the larger step ups, so lets just offer upgrades to the model you own and love: more HP, different tech packages, tire and wheel packages, etc. This is why many people are die hard 3 series guys for life, A4/S4, and IS guys. Us TSX guys have been dumped on so far with the sheetmetal side of the new gen...this thing would have to have a hell of an engine for me to want to take another look.
I know when I see something whether I want it or not. These are all opinions and it has been stated many times prior by other posters to each his or her own.
02-13-2008, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Although, thinking about it, it would be more telling to see the torque curve as opposed to that HP number. I wanna see what direct injection and a bigger midrange mean for that curve.
02-13-2008, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GTSX-05
Agreed...If that turbo doesnt come...Lexus IS here I come
Than the next "base" TSX could get somth. like 220 hp. Not bad at all.
If we look at the Mazda6 in Europe is sold very well, and it is considered a near competitor for the Accord, and the Mazda MPS 260 hp is a good success.
I think we have to wait for the next year a Type S Turbo, RDX derived, 240+ hp AWD for the TSX and the european Accord, for a price (in Europe) of about 38.000 euro.
02-13-2008, 10:39 AM
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(In my best German accent) So you are disappointed with zee new offering from Acura??? You don't like zee girly man horsepower figures??? Come to Munich. We will show you a 300 HP, twin-turbo, rear-wheel drive ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE!!! Come and join zee superior race...Deutsch Wagen!!!
02-13-2008, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by krio
the TSX and the european Accord always differed in power (190-205 hp).
Than the next "base" TSX could get somth. like 220 hp. Not bad at all.
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Than the next "base" TSX could get somth. like 220 hp. Not bad at all.
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Did you miss the part about the 09 TSX having 201 HP? Go back a couple of pages.
02-13-2008, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
09 has 201 HP
So it should look something like...
08 205hp @ 3268 (6MT with NAV) = 15.91 lbs/HP
09 201hp @ 3418 (3268+150) = 17.00 lbs/HP
The added torque and improved gearing would I imagine make the 09 at least on par with an 08 acceleration wise though.
So it should look something like...
08 205hp @ 3268 (6MT with NAV) = 15.91 lbs/HP
09 201hp @ 3418 (3268+150) = 17.00 lbs/HP
The added torque and improved gearing would I imagine make the 09 at least on par with an 08 acceleration wise though.
Imagine if a 3268 lbs car had 15.9 HP/lbs....that's over 49,000 HP
. That's like intergalatic space shuttle shit right there...
02-13-2008, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
09 has 201 HP
So it should look something like...
08 205hp @ 3268 (6MT with NAV) = 15.91 HP/lbs
09 201hp @ 3418 (3268+150) = 17.00 HP/lbs
The added torque and improved gearing would I imagine make the 09 at least on par with an 08 acceleration wise though.
So it should look something like...
08 205hp @ 3268 (6MT with NAV) = 15.91 HP/lbs
09 201hp @ 3418 (3268+150) = 17.00 HP/lbs
The added torque and improved gearing would I imagine make the 09 at least on par with an 08 acceleration wise though.
sounds like a lose lose to me.
acura has something up their sleeve
02-13-2008, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by krio
the TSX and the european Accord always differed in power (190-205 hp).
Than the next "base" TSX could get somth. like 220 hp. Not bad at all.
If we look at the Mazda6 in Europe is sold very well, and it is considered a near competitor for the Accord, and the Mazda MPS 260 hp is a good success.
I think we have to wait for the next year a Type S Turbo, RDX derived, 240+ hp AWD for the TSX and the european Accord, for a price (in Europe) of about 38.000 euro.
Than the next "base" TSX could get somth. like 220 hp. Not bad at all.
If we look at the Mazda6 in Europe is sold very well, and it is considered a near competitor for the Accord, and the Mazda MPS 260 hp is a good success.
I think we have to wait for the next year a Type S Turbo, RDX derived, 240+ hp AWD for the TSX and the european Accord, for a price (in Europe) of about 38.000 euro.
02-13-2008, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DAYTA
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Imagine if a 3268 lbs car had 15.9 HP/lbs....that's over 49,000 HP . That's like intergalatic space shuttle shit right there...
Imagine if a 3268 lbs car had 15.9 HP/lbs....that's over 49,000 HP
. That's like intergalatic space shuttle shit right there...
but in my defense I was using cbusAcuracls' template. 
02-13-2008, 10:45 AM
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The press release says "Along with improved performance, it is also cleaner as it now meeting the EPA’s aggressive Tier 2-Bin 5 and CARB LEV II Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) standards for the first time in TSX history. Displacing 2.4-liters and producing 201 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque...This newfound performance and flexibility is due in part to a higher compression ratio, revised valve timing, and improved intake and exhaust gas flow. Further credit goes to the TSX engine’s i-VTEC® "intelligent" valve control system"
Do I understand correctly; this new TSX has the exact same engine, but with some larger holes here and there, new timing similar to a Hondata mod and a chunkier catalytic converter?
Do I understand correctly; this new TSX has the exact same engine, but with some larger holes here and there, new timing similar to a Hondata mod and a chunkier catalytic converter?
02-13-2008, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DAYTA
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Imagine if a 3268 lbs car had 15.9 HP/lbs....that's over 49,000 HP . That's like intergalatic space shuttle shit right there...
Imagine if a 3268 lbs car had 15.9 HP/lbs....that's over 49,000 HP
. That's like intergalatic space shuttle shit right there... on me I should have written it better. Dom understood what I was trying to say.Dom the 205 to 201?? shouldn't it be 190 to 201 for Euro Accord thus 205 = 216 for US TSX?
02-13-2008, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wackura
Do I understand correctly; this new TSX has the exact same engine, but with some larger holes here and there, new timing similar to a Hondata mod and a chunkier catalytic converter?
02-13-2008, 10:55 AM
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It looks like Acura is content just to keep the current customers. Price won't be much different. The combined mileage of 23-24 mpg isn't really that impressive. The technology isn't that big of a deal. TSX will continue to sell 3k a month. There won't be a lot of new customers.
Let's see what Acura has for a type S.
Let's see what Acura has for a type S.
02-13-2008, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cbusAcuracls
ha ha..15.9 Hp/lbs is NOT 15.9 hp per lbs...I used HP/lbs to demonstrate the Hp per weight ratio.
on me I should have written it better. Dom understood what I was trying to say.
Dom the 205 to 201?? shouldn't it be 190 to 201 for Euro Accord thus 205 = 216 for US TSX?
on me I should have written it better. Dom understood what I was trying to say.Dom the 205 to 201?? shouldn't it be 190 to 201 for Euro Accord thus 205 = 216 for US TSX?
02-13-2008, 11:02 AM
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Go back a few pages guys. The Acura press release for the 09 TSX, not the Euro Accord says 201HP/172lb ft.
The possibility of a 215-230 HP base TSX seems to be dead...for now.
The possibility of a 215-230 HP base TSX seems to be dead...for now.
02-13-2008, 11:04 AM
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From the realese. Colin posted a link on page 71.
Powertrain
An all-aluminum DOHC i-VTEC® in-line 4-cylinder engine heralds a pair of firsts for the TSX model, including dual balance shafts and a direct ignition system. Along with improved performance, it is also cleaner as it now meeting the EPA’s aggressive Tier 2-Bin 5 and CARB LEV II Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) standards for the first time in TSX history.
Displacing 2.4-liters and producing 201 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque (with manual transmission), the new in-line 4-cylinder engine produces its useable power across a much wider rpm range, while five percent more torque further strengthens the engine’s pulling power at middle rpm levels. This allows the 2009 TSX to be more responsive off the line and out of corners, and stronger in the middle of the rpm range where the engine operates most of the time.
This newfound performance and flexibility is due in part to a higher compression ratio, revised valve timing, and improved intake and exhaust gas flow. Further credit goes to the TSX engine’s i-VTEC® "intelligent" valve control system, which provides the power characteristics of a V-6 without sacrificing the light weight or fuel efficiency of an in-line four. Likewise, a new rear-mounted exhaust manifold layout, a close-coupled catalytic converter design, and a Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI) system substantially reduce emissions levels. Estimated fuel mileage is 21/30/24 mpg* (city/highway/combined, 5 AT) and 20/28/23 mpg* (city/highway/combined, 6 MT).
Two transmissions are available, both as standard equipment – a 6-speed close- ratio manual with new performance-oriented ratios for Second through Sixth gears, and a Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic with a new lock-up torque converter assembly. The manual transmission features a short-throw shifter with a precise, light action that makes it highly rewarding to use, while the Sequential SportShift automatic permits fully automatic operation with intelligent features such as Grade Logic Control and Shift Hold Control, which make driving the TSX on hilly or winding roads more enjoyable. If the driver desires, the automatic transmission can also be operated manually via new steering-wheel mounted F1®-style paddle shifters.
An all-aluminum DOHC i-VTEC® in-line 4-cylinder engine heralds a pair of firsts for the TSX model, including dual balance shafts and a direct ignition system. Along with improved performance, it is also cleaner as it now meeting the EPA’s aggressive Tier 2-Bin 5 and CARB LEV II Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) standards for the first time in TSX history.
Displacing 2.4-liters and producing 201 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque (with manual transmission), the new in-line 4-cylinder engine produces its useable power across a much wider rpm range, while five percent more torque further strengthens the engine’s pulling power at middle rpm levels. This allows the 2009 TSX to be more responsive off the line and out of corners, and stronger in the middle of the rpm range where the engine operates most of the time.
This newfound performance and flexibility is due in part to a higher compression ratio, revised valve timing, and improved intake and exhaust gas flow. Further credit goes to the TSX engine’s i-VTEC® "intelligent" valve control system, which provides the power characteristics of a V-6 without sacrificing the light weight or fuel efficiency of an in-line four. Likewise, a new rear-mounted exhaust manifold layout, a close-coupled catalytic converter design, and a Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI) system substantially reduce emissions levels. Estimated fuel mileage is 21/30/24 mpg* (city/highway/combined, 5 AT) and 20/28/23 mpg* (city/highway/combined, 6 MT).
Two transmissions are available, both as standard equipment – a 6-speed close- ratio manual with new performance-oriented ratios for Second through Sixth gears, and a Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic with a new lock-up torque converter assembly. The manual transmission features a short-throw shifter with a precise, light action that makes it highly rewarding to use, while the Sequential SportShift automatic permits fully automatic operation with intelligent features such as Grade Logic Control and Shift Hold Control, which make driving the TSX on hilly or winding roads more enjoyable. If the driver desires, the automatic transmission can also be operated manually via new steering-wheel mounted F1®-style paddle shifters.
02-13-2008, 11:29 AM
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I know the HP numbers are somewhat disappointing, but without the A-Vtec or any other new technology what did we really expect? The 20-30 Hp increase is probably unrealistic without a major change. I'm probably way in the minority here, but I'd appreciate 5% more torque across a decent RPM range than an additional 5% on the top end HP (@ 215). I will concede that it doesn't make any sense to offer a car with LESS horse power though.
Paddle shifters, tilt mirrors, navi changes, and ELS sound system are nice adds. Still missing are memory mirrors and auto start. They mentioned the new "performance oriented gear ratios" for the 6MT. Does this mean they finally fixed the abysmal 1-2 shift? I would hope so.
I'm not sold on the interior, but the exterior looks pretty good to me. The grille will take some getting used to.
Paddle shifters, tilt mirrors, navi changes, and ELS sound system are nice adds. Still missing are memory mirrors and auto start. They mentioned the new "performance oriented gear ratios" for the 6MT. Does this mean they finally fixed the abysmal 1-2 shift? I would hope so.
I'm not sold on the interior, but the exterior looks pretty good to me. The grille will take some getting used to.
02-13-2008, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by krio
My TL too is 2005.
The TSX had to be VERY similar to the european Accord. As the Legend is a copy of the RL. The next TL will get farther from the image of "big sister of the TSX". It is the best selling car of Acura range, and is 100% "american make" and on this car Acura is putting ever.thing she knows about cars... It will be a fantastic car. No doubt.
The TSX had to be VERY similar to the european Accord. As the Legend is a copy of the RL. The next TL will get farther from the image of "big sister of the TSX". It is the best selling car of Acura range, and is 100% "american make" and on this car Acura is putting ever.thing she knows about cars... It will be a fantastic car. No doubt.
Absolutely, no doubt about it. Honda has never disappointed us before.
02-13-2008, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ninjamyst
- USB port music interface (whatever that is)
- Auto up/down for passenger mirror
- Auto passenger side mirror reverse tilt
- Note function for XM Radio (sounds interesting)
The release mentions "new leather-covered seats" ... I'll let my fanny test drive those.
The language "available Technology Package,[sic] which bristles with leading-edge electronics..." is hilarious. Really, it just sounds like the Nav system, with updated feature set.
Not to hijack the thread (but I'll do it anyway) on the "future of Acura sedans" look,... anyone else notice that the new RL has a face? The future of Acura sedans is ... Pokemon!!
02-13-2008, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
From the realese. Colin posted a link on page 71.