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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 02:48 PM
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Guess i should have been more clear. Clutch kits. There are just none out there. Something so trivial as a clutch kit and only (up until now) comptech makes one. This should be a thing available to get at any parts store, but its not

Even the Comptech kit requires you to re-use your factory pressure plate.
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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Wow man, this is friggin mind blowing, I don't log in for 6 months and I find someone doing the very thing I had been contomplating for a few years....

For starters MAJOR PROPS! Deserve some serious recognition for this. Secondly, I want to see what the total bill is for this because I always wanted to get a TL-S, swap the CLS6 tranny in and possibly even boost it...but then I found the Talon and I couldn't pass it up. It seems like a whore converting it but hands on, how much of a bish is it being?
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 03:01 PM
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Even the Comptech kit requires you to re-use your factory pressure plate.
Yea that sucks. So you spend 1200 on a aftermarket kit which you then have to use a factory pressure plate? thats a ripoff.
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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Wow man, this is friggin mind blowing, I don't log in for 6 months and I find someone doing the very thing I had been contomplating for a few years....

For starters MAJOR PROPS! Deserve some serious recognition for this. Secondly, I want to see what the total bill is for this because I always wanted to get a TL-S, swap the CLS6 tranny in and possibly even boost it...but then I found the Talon and I couldn't pass it up. It seems like a whore converting it but hands on, how much of a bish is it being?
Ive learned alot, about the differences. For those with a type-s motor to begin with it wouldnt be so bad. A killer will be the little parts and wiring. And 1 FU@*ing sensor thats outrageous. The crank sensor is half of what i payed for the engine. As far as difficulty, it really hasnt been so far. Every thing just bolts right up. There hasnt been a thing that i have had to modify yet to make work (other than the little grinding i did on the civic brake pedal)
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 04:22 PM
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Yea that sucks. So you spend 1200 on a aftermarket kit which you then have to use a factory pressure plate? thats a ripoff.

I agree. Complete rip off. It's $460 for the stock clutch and flywheel. Yet somehow it's 3x that for the Comptech clutch and flywheel. Don't see how that price is justified.
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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I agree. Complete rip off. It's $460 for the stock clutch and flywheel. Yet somehow it's 3x that for the Comptech clutch and flywheel. Don't see how that price is justified.
Me either. thats one of the reasons i didnt go with it. Now if it were to add like 20-30 hp or was going to last twice as long maybe?
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 08:50 PM
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Did some more work tonight. I got to rewiring the dash. Every thing went ok so far. I have the whole dash rewired, and every thing went into place. Now as long as it does when its put back in





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I didnt take any during the rewire, i was too busy trying to remember where the wires ran, and it was getting dark. Ill take some more shots in the daytime
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Guess i should have been more clear. Clutch kits. There are just none out there. Something so trivial as a clutch kit and only (up until now) comptech makes one. This should be a thing available to get at any parts store, but its not
Yeah, the comptech one is pricey. With the comptech unit, you get a lightened flywheel and a sprung disk, you still have to use the stock self adjusting piece of shit pressure plate. The lightened flywheel does allow the motor to rev more quickly. Spec clutch claims they make a pressure plate, but know of no one to date who has tried it. I ask for a pic of one and it looks nothing more than a stock pressure plate painted blue, and a bad paint job at that.

As steve said, competition clutch has told me that there will be something in 90 days or so. we'll see.
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 09:19 PM
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I've been watching this since the beginning. I put a computer in my car and thought that was amazing...but this, the carpc doesn't even begin to come close. I'm extremely impressed and am enjoying seeing this thing the whole way through.

As far as the CT lightened flywheel, I woudn't think it to be a great idea, because you'd lose the rotational mass. While this would certainly make the engine rev much faster, it would be much of a bonus for a daily driver. It seems that you'd lose power on the low end, or at least feel like so. I'd think one would one want a lightened flywheel for a touring circuit type track, where you'd keep the revs high and could use the lightened flywheel. For day to day stop and go, I'd think this would hurt you.

Kris, thanks for the play by play. I've never seen a thread as in depth as this. Nothing but respect and admiration coming your way, from one Honda fan to another.
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 09:33 PM
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Why did you have to re-wire the dash?
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ITL
I've been watching this since the beginning. I put a computer in my car and thought that was amazing...but this, the carpc doesn't even begin to come close. I'm extremely impressed and am enjoying seeing this thing the whole way through.

As far as the CT lightened flywheel, I woudn't think it to be a great idea, because you'd lose the rotational mass. While this would certainly make the engine rev much faster, it would be much of a bonus for a daily driver. It seems that you'd lose power on the low end, or at least feel like so. I'd think one would one want a lightened flywheel for a touring circuit type track, where you'd keep the revs high and could use the lightened flywheel. For day to day stop and go, I'd think this would hurt you.

Kris, thanks for the play by play. I've never seen a thread as in depth as this. Nothing but respect and admiration coming your way, from one Honda fan to another.
Good job man i thought i had project getting my TL to run a couple months ago but this is much harder and the torque u will loose with the lightened flywheel wont even be noticeable fsttyms1 u know that
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
Why did you have to re-wire the dash?
New ECU and gauge cluster.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ITL
I've been watching this since the beginning. I put a computer in my car and thought that was amazing...but this, the carpc doesn't even begin to come close. I'm extremely impressed and am enjoying seeing this thing the whole way through.

As far as the CT lightened flywheel, I woudn't think it to be a great idea, because you'd lose the rotational mass. While this would certainly make the engine rev much faster, it would be much of a bonus for a daily driver. It seems that you'd lose power on the low end, or at least feel like so. I'd think one would one want a lightened flywheel for a touring circuit type track, where you'd keep the revs high and could use the lightened flywheel. For day to day stop and go, I'd think this would hurt you.

Kris, thanks for the play by play. I've never seen a thread as in depth as this. Nothing but respect and admiration coming your way, from one Honda fan to another.
Yea there are benifits and down sides to the CT flywheel. Nothing worth 1200$ at this point.

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New ECU and gauge cluster.
yes the wiring harness that plugs into the ecu is different . I probably could have worked around that but for the little amount teh harness was it was easier.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 09:18 AM
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On a side note, the dash wasnt really that hard to remove, Just alot- and by alot i mean ALOT of wires to unclip. then it ws just a few bolts and out it slid.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 01:29 PM
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Great job, Kris. You have way more guts than the average DIYer to take on something this big. By the way, what is that part sticking out from the top of the dashboard?

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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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Great job, Kris. You have way more guts than the average DIYer to take on something this big. By the way, what is that part sticking out from the top of the dashboard?
It's a mount/stand for a small monitor.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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Looks like something he fabricated to mount a PDA or something to the dash
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 01:38 PM
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OK, that makes sense. I took the picture and zoomed in on that part and it does look like a mount of some sort.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 02:20 PM
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Its a mount for a TV
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 04:23 PM
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Was this project more than what you had expected? I got a headache just from lookin at all those wiring hardness
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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Was this project more than what you had expected? I got a headache just from lookin at all those wiring hardness
No. I figured there would be little hang ups. so far it really hasnt been so bad
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 04:59 PM
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Jesus... that gives me chills seeing your car ripped apart like that!!
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 08:12 PM
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Well i ripped the heads off the old engine and the cylinders are in near perfect shape. You would think that they only had like 20k on them and not 200k. There arent any wear marks. Looked at the timing belt, and there is no cracking to be found, and looks almost as good as the new one for the new motor! I bet there was another 100k out of it!
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 08:51 PM
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Well i ripped the heads off the old engine and the cylinders are in near perfect shape. You would think that they only had like 20k on them and not 200k. There arent any wear marks. Looked at the timing belt, and there is no cracking to be found, and looks almost as good as the new one for the new motor! I bet there was another 100k out of it!
Unbelievable! Way to go Kris. Have you been using synthetic oil?
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 09:58 PM
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Unbelievable! Way to go Kris. Have you been using synthetic oil?
Since around 100k. On 8k then 15k interval changes
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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Well i ripped the heads off the old engine and the cylinders are in near perfect shape. You would think that they only had like 20k on them and not 200k. There arent any wear marks. Looked at the timing belt, and there is no cracking to be found, and looks almost as good as the new one for the new motor! I bet there was another 100k out of it!
No cracking at all on your timming belt and it looks as good as new .....I can not beleave it .! You must got a Batman belt
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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Yea even in the cylinders you can still se the crosshatch machining on the walls. You can tell the belt isnt new, but you wouldnt know it had 200k on it thats for sure
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 02:29 PM
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So how long do you think the engine itself could have lasted (not the timing belt)?
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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So how long do you think the engine itself could have lasted (not the timing belt)?
looking at it easily another 250. the compression was spot on before i tore it down and the inside is in great shape. Unless a bearing went on it the motor was like new
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Old Apr 18, 2006 | 12:21 PM
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Kris I gotta tell ya, I am just completly amazed at what you're doing. That picture of the dashboard out its awesome. I bet there acura mechanics that cant do what you're doing. LOL
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It will be even more impressive once i get it running
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Old Apr 18, 2006 | 09:02 PM
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what did you do with the engine??
i'm sure it'll make a great dune buggy project.
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Well UPS delivered the sensors today and ofcourse i cant get teh crank bolt off. The motor just turns and i dont have teh tool to hold it. Looks like tomorrow ill slide the tranny off so i can stick a bolt thru the clutchplate or something to hold it from turning. That way i can finally get it installed hopefully for the last time!
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what did you do with the engine??
Paper Weight for my desk!
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Old Apr 18, 2006 | 09:32 PM
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what did you do with the engine??
i'm sure it'll make a great dune buggy project.
have some fun with it
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Kris, you are my hero. I just found this thread and realized how long it's been since I tooled around in 2G.

You are the man!

I can't wait until you get this guy running.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Well UPS delivered the sensors today and ofcourse i cant get teh crank bolt off. The motor just turns and i dont have teh tool to hold it. Looks like tomorrow ill slide the tranny off so i can stick a bolt thru the clutchplate or something to hold it from turning. That way i can finally get it installed hopefully for the last time!
Did try puttind it in gear of just take off the starter that way you can see the fly wheel and put a screw driver in there to lock it so it won'tturn
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 08:10 AM
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Kris, you are my hero. I just found this thread and realized how long it's been since I tooled around in 2G.

You are the man!

I can't wait until you get this guy running.


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Did try puttind it in gear of just take off the starter that way you can see the fly wheel and put a screw driver in there to lock it so it won'tturn
Gear wont hold it, and there is no way to leverage a screwdriver with enough force to hold it.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 09:08 AM
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Paper Weight for my desk!
You have a very large desk!
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 10:16 AM
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You have a very large desk!
Yeah if it were me it would be a work bench in the garage
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