Acura: NSX News
01-03-2016, 05:09 PM
#6521
Team Owner
this can happen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F40
Clarkson also said the F40 is one of the most beautiful cars ever made. In series 16, episode 6, Hammond compared the F40 against its main rival, the Porsche 959. However, they never completed a lap on the Test Track, as the F40 failed to start and the 959 had problems with the turbos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F40
Clarkson also said the F40 is one of the most beautiful cars ever made. In series 16, episode 6, Hammond compared the F40 against its main rival, the Porsche 959. However, they never completed a lap on the Test Track, as the F40 failed to start and the 959 had problems with the turbos
Both Porsche and Ferrari these days are nothing like they were 25-30 years ago. I see you're still trying to grab at non-existent straws...
01-03-2016, 07:53 PM
#6522
488 : 16 city / 22 highway / 18 combined
MDX w/SH-AWD : 18 city / 26 highway / 21 combined
RDX AWD : 19 city / 28 highway / 22 combined
01-03-2016, 10:56 PM
#6524
Yup and both the F40 and 959 haven't been in production since 1992 and 1989, respectively. You're comparing 25 year old cars that began selling PRIOR to the release of the first NSX (which revolutionized the supercar industry) to the new NSX. How is that even fair?
Both Porsche and Ferrari these days are nothing like they were 25-30 years ago. I see you're still trying to grab at non-existent straws...
Both Porsche and Ferrari these days are nothing like they were 25-30 years ago. I see you're still trying to grab at non-existent straws...
Ferrari with only 15k miles are sellling for less than half the price.
2010 Ferrari California 13,696 miles only
2010 Ferrari California hard to find, low miles, hot car!!
Porsche are alot worse on used car market.
2015 Porsche 911 Turbo 2dr Convertible AWD - 3k miles
2015 Porsche 911 Turbo 2dr Convertible AWD - 3k miles - $130949
These Prosche and Ferrari are complete crap for daily use like like 10,000 mile a year.
Breaking Bad: Warranty Direct Lists the 10 Least Reliable Cars of the Last 15 Years
According to Warranty Direct, the Porsche 911 (996) features in the 10 least reliable cars of the last 15 years, even though it features the best annual incident rate of the group, at 39%, because of its hefty average repair cost of Ł847.52.
According to Warranty Direct, the Porsche 911 (996) features in the 10 least reliable cars of the last 15 years, even though it features the best annual incident rate of the group, at 39%, because of its hefty average repair cost of Ł847.52.
01-03-2016, 10:59 PM
#6525
Acura MDX w/SH-AWD and RDX AWD owners have the same problem.
488 : 16 city / 22 highway / 18 combined
MDX w/SH-AWD : 18 city / 26 highway / 21 combined
RDX AWD : 19 city / 28 highway / 22 combined
488 : 16 city / 22 highway / 18 combined
MDX w/SH-AWD : 18 city / 26 highway / 21 combined
RDX AWD : 19 city / 28 highway / 22 combined
01-04-2016, 09:27 AM
#6526
Team Owner
nope used car market and depreciation for low mileage are telling there unreliability and huge maintaince cost.
Ferrari with only 15k miles are sellling for less than half the price.
2010 Ferrari California 13,696 miles only
2010 Ferrari California hard to find, low miles, hot car!!
Porsche are alot worse on used car market.
2015 Porsche 911 Turbo 2dr Convertible AWD - 3k miles
2015 Porsche 911 Turbo 2dr Convertible AWD - 3k miles - $130949
These Prosche and Ferrari are complete crap for daily use like like 10,000 mile a year.
Ferrari with only 15k miles are sellling for less than half the price.
2010 Ferrari California 13,696 miles only
2010 Ferrari California hard to find, low miles, hot car!!
Porsche are alot worse on used car market.
2015 Porsche 911 Turbo 2dr Convertible AWD - 3k miles
2015 Porsche 911 Turbo 2dr Convertible AWD - 3k miles - $130949
These Prosche and Ferrari are complete crap for daily use like like 10,000 mile a year.
There's a very distinct line between buyers purchasing a new supercar and a used supercar. But sure, you can equate them as being the same thing
And right- no one ever drives their Porsche more than 10k miles per year. Riiiiiiight.
Now show me an incredibly unreliable Ferrari F40 or a Porsche 959, selling for pennies on the dollar. C'mon. Show me!
01-04-2016, 09:30 AM
#6527
Team Owner
You're right, those are their normal, day to day consumption rates. You never said a word about red line performance consumption rates. But again you were proven wrong, so you need to try and change the point of discussion, because you know you're a tool. 
01-04-2016, 09:32 AM
#6528
Team Owner
Breaking Bad: Warranty Direct Lists the 10 Least Reliable Cars of the Last 15 Years
According to Warranty Direct, the Porsche 911 (996) features in the 10 least reliable cars of the last 15 years, even though it features the best annual incident rate of the group, at 39%, because of its hefty average repair cost of Ł847.52.
According to Warranty Direct, the Porsche 911 (996) features in the 10 least reliable cars of the last 15 years, even though it features the best annual incident rate of the group, at 39%, because of its hefty average repair cost of Ł847.52.
01-04-2016, 10:07 AM
#6529
01-04-2016, 10:08 AM
#6530
01-04-2016, 10:15 AM
#6531
Team Owner
01-04-2016, 11:01 AM
#6532
Senior Moderator
nope used car market and depreciation for low mileage are telling there unreliability and huge maintaince cost.
Ferrari with only 15k miles are sellling for less than half the price.
2010 Ferrari California 13,696 miles only
2010 Ferrari California hard to find, low miles, hot car!!
Porsche are alot worse on used car market.
2015 Porsche 911 Turbo 2dr Convertible AWD - 3k miles
2015 Porsche 911 Turbo 2dr Convertible AWD - 3k miles - $130949
These Prosche and Ferrari are complete crap for daily use like like 10,000 mile a year.
Ferrari with only 15k miles are sellling for less than half the price.
2010 Ferrari California 13,696 miles only
2010 Ferrari California hard to find, low miles, hot car!!
Porsche are alot worse on used car market.
2015 Porsche 911 Turbo 2dr Convertible AWD - 3k miles
2015 Porsche 911 Turbo 2dr Convertible AWD - 3k miles - $130949
These Prosche and Ferrari are complete crap for daily use like like 10,000 mile a year.
Why not show what the f40 is selling for, and compare that to the nsx. Ill give you a hint, The average NSX isnt selling for 1.3-1.6 million
Ferrari F40 for Sale | Hemmings Motor News
Oh and the NSX wasnt known to have cheap maintenance cost either.
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01-04-2016, 12:00 PM
#6533
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That's pretty damn stiff...LOL
Joke aside, I think the 458 is at 33,120, which is not exactly that high for such a great car. For instance, a BMW F10 5 series is at 37500NM/deg.
But for the NSX to be 3 times that figure, that would put it close to 100000 Nm/deg.
For comparison:
Veyron: 60000 Nm/deg
Koenigsegg Agera R 65,000 Nm/deg
Source: Car Body Torsional Rigidity - A Comprehensive List (Updated: Dec. 14, 2015) - YouWheel.com - Car News and Review
I don't know man, I'm skeptical about the 300% claim, may it makes more sense if its 300% more than the 458 spider which is at around 23000Nm/deg.
Joke aside, I think the 458 is at 33,120, which is not exactly that high for such a great car. For instance, a BMW F10 5 series is at 37500NM/deg.
But for the NSX to be 3 times that figure, that would put it close to 100000 Nm/deg.
For comparison:
Veyron: 60000 Nm/deg
Koenigsegg Agera R 65,000 Nm/deg
Source: Car Body Torsional Rigidity - A Comprehensive List (Updated: Dec. 14, 2015) - YouWheel.com - Car News and Review
I don't know man, I'm skeptical about the 300% claim, may it makes more sense if its 300% more than the 458 spider which is at around 23000Nm/deg.
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01-05-2016, 12:15 AM
#6534
Ok you compare 20+ year used cars, then try to justify by showing depreciation touting selling for less than half price all the while showing newer less desireable models???..
Why not show what the f40 is selling for, and compare that to the nsx. Ill give you a hint, The average NSX isnt selling for 1.3-1.6 million
Ferrari F40 for Sale | Hemmings Motor News
Oh and the NSX wasnt known to have cheap maintenance cost either.
Why not show what the f40 is selling for, and compare that to the nsx. Ill give you a hint, The average NSX isnt selling for 1.3-1.6 million
Ferrari F40 for Sale | Hemmings Motor News
Oh and the NSX wasnt known to have cheap maintenance cost either.
why you think it has 7k miles in 25 years. it is unreliable junk. new NSX you can take to NAPA just like MDX.
01-05-2016, 09:17 AM
#6535
AZ Community Team
The main complaint seen around here are mostly about how the NSX still isn't in a customer's hand because Acura hasn't had a halo car since the 1st gen NSX was gone. That's where the "hate" is coming from mostly.
I think most here feel that the NSX specs are alright, except may be the weight. For me, the weight isn't stellar but I kinda expected it. Like you said, the GT-R is also this heavy. Actually, the new R8 V10 Plus is in the same ball park, as the euro spec model is already at 3664lb. The Huracan US spec is 200lb heavier than the Huracan Euro spec for reference. The Porsche 918 that uses way more exotic materials is at 3750lb too.
From the press, the major drawback of the NSX as you mentioned is the steering feel (or the lack of it). That's a shame so hopefully a Type R version would fix that.
There are other issues too, like the drive modes are not that customization, a tad too much understeer in softer modes, etc. But a lot of these issues can be fixed with changing the software. I think Honda got enough feedback from its media event several weeks ago and have enough time to make software changes. I'd imagine they can make some improvement to the steering too?
The good side on the other hand is that in stock form, the NSX is not underpowered. And better yet, it seems like Honda is leaving a lot of room for power increase. This is basically a race car engine. Its peak boost is quite low at 15.2psi. That's even less than the new Honda Civic 1.5T! This engine also doesn't have VTEC.
This is quite unlike Honda, where usually they don't leave much room for power increase unless major changes are done (like S2000 and all the Type R's, or even the previous NSX).
I think most here feel that the NSX specs are alright, except may be the weight. For me, the weight isn't stellar but I kinda expected it. Like you said, the GT-R is also this heavy. Actually, the new R8 V10 Plus is in the same ball park, as the euro spec model is already at 3664lb. The Huracan US spec is 200lb heavier than the Huracan Euro spec for reference. The Porsche 918 that uses way more exotic materials is at 3750lb too.
From the press, the major drawback of the NSX as you mentioned is the steering feel (or the lack of it). That's a shame so hopefully a Type R version would fix that.
There are other issues too, like the drive modes are not that customization, a tad too much understeer in softer modes, etc. But a lot of these issues can be fixed with changing the software. I think Honda got enough feedback from its media event several weeks ago and have enough time to make software changes. I'd imagine they can make some improvement to the steering too?
The good side on the other hand is that in stock form, the NSX is not underpowered. And better yet, it seems like Honda is leaving a lot of room for power increase. This is basically a race car engine. Its peak boost is quite low at 15.2psi. That's even less than the new Honda Civic 1.5T! This engine also doesn't have VTEC.
This is quite unlike Honda, where usually they don't leave much room for power increase unless major changes are done (like S2000 and all the Type R's, or even the previous NSX).
good writeup. The delays and also changes have frustrated people on the forum, although some are in the peanut gallery so no matter what Honda/Acura developed it would have been wrong for whatever.I also see a really nice foundation for progressive upgrades to the powertrain and front electric drive gives alot of potential to improve handling and transitions.
I gotta wonder if Honda dialed out too much kingpin angle and other suspension geometry to reduce the effects of the front motor torque steer effect. That and the electric power steering may have reduced the camber thrust feedback so much that it may be hard for S/W to compensate for.
And I also agree that the twin turbo motor is essentially a race motor that probably good for another 200HP alone.
01-05-2016, 10:21 AM
#6536
Senior Moderator
So...we get a release date yet? Or is this car further delayed?
01-05-2016, 11:49 AM
#6537
Senior Moderator
Sad news....
The new NSX has been delayed until the year..... 2048. Acura decided to homologate the model by releasing it on an integer of 1024, to commemorate the megabyte.
The new NSX has been delayed until the year..... 2048. Acura decided to homologate the model by releasing it on an integer of 1024, to commemorate the megabyte.
01-05-2016, 02:12 PM
#6539
01-05-2016, 06:49 PM
#6540
Team Owner
SSFTSX is totally right. His TSX that is worth $12k today is WAY better than ANY Porsche or Ferrari EVER in EVERY single way possible....
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01-05-2016, 09:09 PM
#6541
Senior Moderator
01-05-2016, 10:09 PM
#6542
I mean road worthy daily drivable car. this enzo asking millions but driven less than 500 mile in 12 years. Its like Honda Jet and parking it as no money for fuel and maintaince.
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01-06-2016, 03:48 PM
#6543
Team Owner
are you really comparing the NSX with Enzo and F40 now???
01-06-2016, 03:50 PM
#6544
Team Owner
01-06-2016, 03:56 PM
#6545
Senior Moderator
01-06-2016, 04:05 PM
#6546
Team Owner
You can't win a race by going back in time. You'll never even start the race then!
01-06-2016, 04:12 PM
#6547
Senior Moderator
The NSX will then go faster than the speed of light...which in turn, warps time. When the NSX hits Warp 69, the NSX goes so fast, that time will freeze and the driver can at this juncture jump out at any part of the space-time continuum. So, he/she HAS the option of going back to when the F40 was first built...or when his rival drivers were born...anything.
C'mon Taco. Use your engineering brain here. Think 5th dimensionally!
01-06-2016, 04:19 PM
#6548
Team Owner
But that still doesn't explain how the NSX will cross the finish line first. I mean, after the race starts, the NSX will be going so fast that time starts to reverse. So in essence, after the Race starts, the NSX will be moving back in time, so the race never actually happened... Yet. I agree that the driver can get out at any point, for example, to see the launch of the F40.
However, to win the race, the NSX would have to go forwards in time also. Or, does the torque vectoring capabilities produced by the electric motors, along with the upgraded tires, allow the NSX to move forward in time also? I don't think it's been tested, but it does seem to make sense.
So what we learned today is that the NSX is so fast, with upgraded tires, that it can go backwards OR forwards in time. Damn, Ferrari really has nothing on this new Acura.
However, to win the race, the NSX would have to go forwards in time also. Or, does the torque vectoring capabilities produced by the electric motors, along with the upgraded tires, allow the NSX to move forward in time also? I don't think it's been tested, but it does seem to make sense.
So what we learned today is that the NSX is so fast, with upgraded tires, that it can go backwards OR forwards in time. Damn, Ferrari really has nothing on this new Acura.
01-06-2016, 04:23 PM
#6549
Senior Moderator
But that still doesn't explain how the NSX will cross the finish line first. I mean, after the race starts, the NSX will be going so fast that time starts to reverse. So in essence, after the Race starts, the NSX will be moving back in time, so the race never actually happened... Yet. I agree that the driver can get out at any point, for example, to see the launch of the F40.
However, to win the race, the NSX would have to go forwards in time also. Or, does the torque vectoring capabilities produced by the electric motors, along with the upgraded tires, allow the NSX to move forward in time also? I don't think it's been tested, but it does seem to make sense.
So what we learned today is that the NSX is so fast, with upgraded tires, that it can go backwards OR forwards in time. Damn, Ferrari really has nothing on this new Acura.
However, to win the race, the NSX would have to go forwards in time also. Or, does the torque vectoring capabilities produced by the electric motors, along with the upgraded tires, allow the NSX to move forward in time also? I don't think it's been tested, but it does seem to make sense.
So what we learned today is that the NSX is so fast, with upgraded tires, that it can go backwards OR forwards in time. Damn, Ferrari really has nothing on this new Acura.
01-06-2016, 10:04 PM
#6550
01-06-2016, 10:39 PM
#6551
Team Owner
Nononono...this is what happens: The NSX (with upgraded tires) will line up with the F40 and Enzo. The race will start. VTEC will kick in yo.
The NSX will then go faster than the speed of light...which in turn, warps time. When the NSX hits Warp 69, the NSX goes so fast, that time will freeze and the driver can at this juncture jump out at any part of the space-time continuum. So, he/she HAS the option of going back to when the F40 was first built...or when his rival drivers were born...anything.
C'mon Taco. Use your engineering brain here. Think 5th dimensionally!
The NSX will then go faster than the speed of light...which in turn, warps time. When the NSX hits Warp 69, the NSX goes so fast, that time will freeze and the driver can at this juncture jump out at any part of the space-time continuum. So, he/she HAS the option of going back to when the F40 was first built...or when his rival drivers were born...anything.
C'mon Taco. Use your engineering brain here. Think 5th dimensionally!
Relativity aint got nothing on the NSX. NSX with upgraded tires is the savior of human race!!
01-06-2016, 10:40 PM
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01-06-2016, 11:57 PM
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01-07-2016, 01:39 AM
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01-07-2016, 11:28 AM
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01-07-2016, 12:20 PM
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01-07-2016, 04:24 PM
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01-07-2016, 05:01 PM
#6559
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No, they are not. Ferrari does not need any such thing as a "tech showcase." They are limited production because they represent the highest echelon of what is already a very exclusive product line. They are also limited production because they are not intended to be for the casual user; they are performance focused only. No comforts. Just highest possible performance; primarily for rich-guy track days.
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01-07-2016, 06:35 PM
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re: the bolded portion
No, they are not. Ferrari does not need any such thing as a "tech showcase." They are limited production because they represent the highest echelon of what is already a very exclusive product line. They are also limited production because they are not intended to be for the casual user; they are performance focused only. No comforts. Just highest possible performance; primarily for rich-guy track days.
No, they are not. Ferrari does not need any such thing as a "tech showcase." They are limited production because they represent the highest echelon of what is already a very exclusive product line. They are also limited production because they are not intended to be for the casual user; they are performance focused only. No comforts. Just highest possible performance; primarily for rich-guy track days.
Originally Posted by ferrari.com
Over the years Ferrari has introduced a series of supercars which have represented the very pinnacle of the company’s technological achievements transferred to its road cars. These include the GTO, F40 and F50.
This family of extreme performance cars was joined in 2002 by the Enzo Ferrari, which was the expression of the latest Formula 1 technology and know-how.
This family of extreme performance cars was joined in 2002 by the Enzo Ferrari, which was the expression of the latest Formula 1 technology and know-how.