New Macbooks and Macbook Pros...?
Apple's new MacBook / MacBook Pro get torn down in style
Big Block go VROOOM!
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FYI - The adapter for Mini DisplayPort to dual link DVI is $99. If you just need regular DVI, there's now an adapter listed that's only $29.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB...1&s=topSellers
There's also a Mini DisplayPort to VGA adapter listed now for the same price. Both this adapter and the standard DVI adapter show a shipping estimate of 3-5 days. The dual link DVI adapter still shows 4-5 weeks.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB...1&s=topSellers
There's also a Mini DisplayPort to VGA adapter listed now for the same price. Both this adapter and the standard DVI adapter show a shipping estimate of 3-5 days. The dual link DVI adapter still shows 4-5 weeks.
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So the Macbook Pro has two graphics cards, but it cannot run both at the same time, just either the integrated, or the dedicated. Also you have to switch to "turbo mode" or whatever in the system preferences to enable the dedicated graphics (and then log off and back on again).
So those of you getting new MBPs just remember to enable this change, or you wont really be getting your money's worth (although you will lose an hour of battery life).
So those of you getting new MBPs just remember to enable this change, or you wont really be getting your money's worth (although you will lose an hour of battery life).
The Third Ball
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So the Macbook Pro has two graphics cards, but it cannot run both at the same time, just either the integrated, or the dedicated. Also you have to switch to "turbo mode" or whatever in the system preferences to enable the dedicated graphics (and then log off and back on again).
So those of you getting new MBPs just remember to enable this change, or you wont really be getting your money's worth (although you will lose an hour of battery life).
So those of you getting new MBPs just remember to enable this change, or you wont really be getting your money's worth (although you will lose an hour of battery life).
Drifting
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^that sounds annoying. Good thing I don't have to worry about that 
but I suppose my laptop is plugged in 99% of the time, so I'd just leave it on the bigger one. I just couldn't justify the essentially $700 price tag for an additional GPU (well I guess for me it'd only have been a $450 upgrade).
but I suppose my laptop is plugged in 99% of the time, so I'd just leave it on the bigger one. I just couldn't justify the essentially $700 price tag for an additional GPU (well I guess for me it'd only have been a $450 upgrade).
Sanest Florida Man
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No you don't. You have to log out and log back in. While mildly annoying it's much less annoying than a reboot.
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http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/14/m...raphics-modes/
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Big Block go VROOOM!
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I think you just have to log off to switch graphics cards. Essentially equal annoyance in a slightly shorter package.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3207
Additional Information
When choosing a different graphics setting in the Energy Saver system preference pane, you will be required to log out for the new settings to take effect. After choosing Log Out (shown in the message below), you will have an opportunity to save any open documents or other work.
When choosing a different graphics setting in the Energy Saver system preference pane, you will be required to log out for the new settings to take effect. After choosing Log Out (shown in the message below), you will have an opportunity to save any open documents or other work.
Race Director
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Read more here about the Larrabee design, which will have multi-processors featured on the next generation of video cards... pretty freaken awesome.
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i was thinking more along the lines of
http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9800gx2.html
http://game.amd.com/us-en/unlock_rad...870x2.aspx?p=1
http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9800gx2.html
http://game.amd.com/us-en/unlock_rad...870x2.aspx?p=1
Last edited by Mizouse; Oct 16, 2008 at 04:12 PM.
The Third Ball
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I think you just have to log off to switch graphics cards. Essentially equal annoyance in a slightly shorter package.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3207
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3207
Three Wheelin'
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The Third Ball
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Burning Brakes
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Just thought id give u guys an update on the 2.4 ghz mackbook, the backlit keyboard is amazing for typing late nite on azine 
but im really impressed with the new mouse and how the whole thing is a button. The graphics are amazing and ive gotten more then i expected. im switching over from using windows for about 10 years and the switch has been simple!
but im really impressed with the new mouse and how the whole thing is a button. The graphics are amazing and ive gotten more then i expected. im switching over from using windows for about 10 years and the switch has been simple!
Sanest Florida Man
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I'd expect the iMacs to make the switch to newer Nvidias so they'll be ready for Snow Leopard. So I'd expect info about snow leopard and a change in the iMac graphics at MacWorld in January. I wouldn't expect a change in iMacs before then cause if they were to change them they would've announced them on Tues so they'd be ready for the Holiday season.
Sanest Florida Man
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??? I know 10.1 was a free upgrade maybe this one will be as well since it doesn't seem it will be a lot of new features just performance improvements cause it'll handle mutlicore processor much more efficiently and will unleash the power of the GPU to increase performance as well.
BTW these performance increases are coming in Windows 7 as well.
BTW these performance increases are coming in Windows 7 as well.
Three Wheelin'
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Usually people hate the one button mouse. Which one do you have? I have the original one and also the mighty mouse with the little scroll ball on top. They're good for a few months and then the track ball will stop working properly. If you don't already have one, I suggest staying with the one you got.
One of my co-workers just brought in the new MacBook he purchased last night. It is pretty slick and noticeably lighter than the black MacBook that I currently own. Looking forward to buying one (or possibly two 
) in early 2009.
) in early 2009.
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Usually people hate the one button mouse. Which one do you have? I have the original one and also the mighty mouse with the little scroll ball on top. They're good for a few months and then the track ball will stop working properly. If you don't already have one, I suggest staying with the one you got.
Also I teach one click unless the student just can't break their PC ways and i'll set the mouse up for right click.[ but honestly that has only happened like once]
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i have both but haven't had problems with the mighty. My students mess them up though because they believe they have to click on the trackball all the time instead of click on all that other white space on the mouse. Track ball has been going strong for well over a year now.
Also I teach one click unless the student just can't break their PC ways and i'll set the mouse up for right click.[ but honestly that has only happened like once]
Also I teach one click unless the student just can't break their PC ways and i'll set the mouse up for right click.[ but honestly that has only happened like once]
there's some good features on those menu's.
Sanest Florida Man
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Engadget did a review of the new MB and MBPs and they have some interesting things to say about the display and I agree with all of their points.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/m...ok-pro-review/
Sarlacc I'm sure you remember the little debate we had months ago about how I said the screen of the macbooks weren't anywhere near as good as the MBP I even took pics of the two to compare their differences, you responded that I was fucking idiot, etc etc. I then provided a review from anandtech in which they agreed with me. You then said that I stole the opinion from them and that I was too dumb to come up with an opinion on my own and that they were wrong. Well as you can see here Engadget also has the same opinion as I do on the MB screens compared to the MBP that is they're the suxor!!! Now throw in this whole glossy only screen and I agree with them again that it is almost a deal breaker.
OH and I was right earlier it is harder to access the RAM you have to take off the whole bottom panel to change RAM.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/m...ok-pro-review/
Originally Posted by Engadget
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Displays</span><br><br>Both the MacBook and MacBook Pro sport that glass display we mentioned. We'll discuss each separately, as there seem to be noticeable differences between the two.<br><br>First, the Pro. The LED-backlit display is nothing short of stunning here; the blacks are black, the whites are extremely -- some might say excessively -- white, though the color temperature of the display seems to be warmer and more natural than previous iterations. The viewing angle is improved over earlier models as well, and the display actually tilts back and forward at a greater pitch, allowing you to find the right position without too much strain. Side by side with the previous generation, there's no comparison. The screen is classic, gorgeous Apple... save for one big problem. The company is only offering these laptops with the high-gloss displays, and they are outrageously, ridiculously reflective. Using the laptop in a brightly lit room is actually rather annoying; the reflections are so intense that they can sometimes obscure on-screen activity. If you're in a scenario where you don't have total control over lighting, this could potentially be a nightmare. In daytime use we found the reflection terrifically distracting, though at night (or in dark rooms) the results were extraordinarily good. The results were a bit <span style="font-style: italic;">Jekyll and Hyde</span>. Apple insists that consumers overwhelmingly love this option, and we don't doubt that it's impressive in a showroom or controlled environment, but we take serious issue with the lack of a non-gloss option, and found it intrusive enough to consider it nearly a deal-breaker.<br><br>
<div style="text-align: center;"><img alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/mbp_comparison.jpg" vspace="4" border="1" hspace="4"><br><span style="font-style: italic;">Original MacBook Pro on the left and new version on the right in the same, brightly lit room.</span><br></div>
<br>Let's just be clear here -- the screen quality is excellent. It's hampered only by the glass covering.<br><br>Now, the MacBooks are a slightly different story. At the outset, things seem to be the same. Same good, same bad -- but this display is different. We can't put our finger on it, but the panel just seems, for lack of a better word... crappier. The viewing angle is reduced considerably; looking even a little bit off to the side or up above can cause a nasty amount of polarization. The brightness levels also don't seem to be what they are on the Pro. Don't get us wrong, compared with the last generation MacBooks, these are stunning -- but compared to the Pros, they're just not as impressive. Again, the reflectivity is an issue here, though coupled with the diminished viewing angle and slightly dimmer backlighting, it left us wanting.<br><br>
<div style="text-align: center;"><img alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/lineup.jpg" vspace="4" border="1" hspace="4"><br><span style="font-style: italic;">MacBook Pro, new MacBook Pro, MacBook, new MacBook, MacBook Air.</span><br><br><img alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/mb_vs_mb.jpg" vspace="4" border="1" hspace="4"><br><span style="font-style: italic;">MacBook vs. MacBook (older, newer).</span>
<div style="text-align: center;"><img alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/mbp_comparison.jpg" vspace="4" border="1" hspace="4"><br><span style="font-style: italic;">Original MacBook Pro on the left and new version on the right in the same, brightly lit room.</span><br></div>
<br>Let's just be clear here -- the screen quality is excellent. It's hampered only by the glass covering.<br><br>Now, the MacBooks are a slightly different story. At the outset, things seem to be the same. Same good, same bad -- but this display is different. We can't put our finger on it, but the panel just seems, for lack of a better word... crappier. The viewing angle is reduced considerably; looking even a little bit off to the side or up above can cause a nasty amount of polarization. The brightness levels also don't seem to be what they are on the Pro. Don't get us wrong, compared with the last generation MacBooks, these are stunning -- but compared to the Pros, they're just not as impressive. Again, the reflectivity is an issue here, though coupled with the diminished viewing angle and slightly dimmer backlighting, it left us wanting.<br><br>
<div style="text-align: center;"><img alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/lineup.jpg" vspace="4" border="1" hspace="4"><br><span style="font-style: italic;">MacBook Pro, new MacBook Pro, MacBook, new MacBook, MacBook Air.</span><br><br><img alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/mb_vs_mb.jpg" vspace="4" border="1" hspace="4"><br><span style="font-style: italic;">MacBook vs. MacBook (older, newer).</span>
OH and I was right earlier it is harder to access the RAM you have to take off the whole bottom panel to change RAM.