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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Street Spirit
I know there are lots of new and cool changes to the new laptops, but is there anything on the outgoing models that they did not include in the new ones that really sucks not having?
firewire 400 is gone from both models. Only fw800 now on the MBP.

That could only bone you if didnt buy triple interface drives, and only got FW400 drives (and someone like you coming from OC probably used usb 2 anyway)...but there is an adapter cable, so its not a big deal.

They made it so all your ports are now on one side inside of split between both. And on the MBP the optical drive was moved from the front to the side.

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Street Spirit
Aside from voiding any warranties, can you pretty much swap out/upgrade/replace any piece of hardware on the MB and MBP?...Larger HD, memory, etc, etc without having to go through Apple, or is there any proprietary stuff that you cannot swap?
Depends on which model I've added RAM and upgraded the HD on the now last gen MacBook and it was easy. Take out the battery and there's 3 screws along the side of the battery bay, remove those and the little metal cover and you've got acces to the RAM and HD bay. I've taken apart an old Ti Powerbook and Aluminum and I beleive you have to take apart the whole bottom panel to acces the HD and RAM but I'm not certain.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 09:14 PM
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Depends on which model I've added RAM and upgraded the HD on the now last gen MacBook and it was easy. Take out the battery and there's 3 screws along the side of the battery bay, remove those and the little metal cover and you've got acces to the RAM and HD bay.
Oh yeah, I forgot I did that on my fiancees and her sisters macbooks. Easy as pie.

On the older Ti powerbooks you just have to remove the keyboard which was pie.

Andon the Al powerbook its a little door on the bottom.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:32 PM
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Watching the keynote. on the MBP the HD is right by the battery, take out the bat...you can just take out the HD...They made it sound like you basically have "hot swappable" drives in a sense.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:35 PM
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Thank Effing God.

I am so tired of prying F2 and F10 off the damn keyboard, or snapping clips around the keyboard... And it would be wonderful if Apple would decide to use ONE damn screw size for all screws needed to be removed to access the HDD.

I swear someone needs to help Apple with "case opening" design issues for laptops and the Mini. I have a putty knife I use to get Minis open. A putty knife. Sounds like they may have finally conquered the laptop issue.


Don't flame me... I am probably < 6months out from a MBP, but unlike Jobs, I acknowledge that nothing is perfect.

And +1 for a freaking dock.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
Thank Effing God.

I am so tired of prying F2 and F10 off the damn keyboard, or snapping clips around the keyboard... And it would be wonderful if Apple would decide to use ONE damn screw size for all screws needed to be removed to access the HDD.

I swear someone needs to help Apple with "case opening" design issues for laptops and the Mini. I have a putty knife I use to get Minis open. A putty knife. Sounds like they may have finally conquered the laptop issue.


Don't flame me... I am probably < 6months out from a MBP, but unlike Jobs, I acknowledge that nothing is perfect.

And +1 for a freaking dock.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:41 PM
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I have counted 17 different screw types just to get the HDD out of an older MBP. 17!


As far as the putty knife is concerned, scroll halfway down this MacWorld page:

http://www.macworld.com/article/4223...iniinside.html
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
I have counted 17 different screw types just to get the HDD out of an older MBP. 17!


As far as the putty knife is concerned, scroll halfway down this MacWorld page:

http://www.macworld.com/article/4223...iniinside.html
I already know all about it, nothing new to me, just funny.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:44 PM
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Eh... I am venting. Rough day. I need a drink.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:45 PM
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Eh... I am venting. Rough day. I need a drink.
Scotch with a bacon chaser.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:48 PM
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:56 PM
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 10:58 PM
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i'm going to try and replace the harddrive in my old ibook. The instructions are like 20 pages long, and you need a screw guide or else you never put it back together.

Should be interesting. Hopefully I don't waste like $60 in parts, but I figure that is better than having essentially a big paperweight, and having it professionally replaced, would probably cost as much as the laptop is worth now. Not sure I'd use it much if I got a new macbook though. I was thinking i'd get something bigger and use the ibook as a travel laptop, but I think the specs on the macbook are good enough for me.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 11:31 PM
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I just picked up a new MBP a few months ago. The new black and aluminum ones look really nice, but unfortunately I couldn't wait for their release.



I'm surprised Apple hasn't updated the look of the Mac Pro. They need to throw some shiny blackness into that thing as well.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 11:50 PM
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Blazin, OT but I must say that you have the hottest avatar on here!! I could stare at that girl for hours!
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:00 AM
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Blazin, OT but I must say that you have the hottest avatar on here!! I could stare at that girl for hours!
I've always wondered who she is or where that was pulled from?
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:21 AM
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Couple disassembly shots:



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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:58 AM
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They don't say how to access the RAM, I have a feeling if they're leaving it out then it's not easy.

I use the same tools as that guy, awesome tools BTW!
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 DOUCHER
They don't say how to access the RAM, I have a feeling if they're leaving it out then it's not easy.

I use the same tools as that guy, awesome tools BTW!
wiha...yes yes we know.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 01:24 AM
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While they look very similar to WIHA I believe that is a Husky precision screwdriver available at Home Depot for $7

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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 01:36 AM
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^ i have that but for torx. Maybe I'll have to pick up the screwdriver one, but I already have a nice little set small screwdrivers that I got for free.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
Couple disassembly shots:



OK, that looks painless. I don't see any blood on the fingers...
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by #1 DOUCHER
While they look very similar to WIHA I believe that is a Husky precision screwdriver available at Home Depot for $7


Nope, it looks more like one of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/Full/n10bb.jpg

I only think that because of how skinny the aluminum tip portion is.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 05:17 AM
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the top of the line macbook is really like a macbook pro mini. it's crazy that the pro has two graphics chips (integrated and dedicated).

The new displays are ridiculously impractical, it would be a very difficult purchase to justify. You can essentily only use it with a new macbook. They are still selling the old displays. But honestly, who buys apple displays? They are just so much more expensive than the competition.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ViperrepiV
the top of the line macbook is really like a macbook pro mini. it's crazy that the pro has two graphics chips (integrated and dedicated).

The new displays are ridiculously impractical, it would be a very difficult purchase to justify. You can essentily only use it with a new macbook. They are still selling the old displays. But honestly, who buys apple displays? They are just so much more expensive than the competition.
My dell 30" was half the price and works pretty good.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:12 PM
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i need a dock. soooo bad
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Osamu
I guess it would be cool to have something like that w/ a mac, but it would ruin all their pretty no frills look
Paint it silver, put a lighted apple logo on it. The only connector on the front would be for the docking port. All other cables/connections would be at the back. They could very easily make it in such a way that the sides open up allowing you to channel wires through the openings to connect to the ports at the back.

A dock design I think would be a walk in the park compared to the designs they've come up with for all their desktops, notebooks, monitors and other products.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 01:12 PM
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Ordered a 15" mbp this morning. See you guys in the Toy Thread next week
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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dang the educational discount is only like $50 on the baseline MB, and $100 on the 2.4

I guess I was used to looking at the $200 off the MBP from before.

i'm almost tempted to get the SSD I'm glad it came down from $1500, but still ~$500 is a lot for a harddrive, especially if it is easy to replace down the road. I'm sure SSD will continue to get cheaper and cheaper. I remember seeing $1000 for like a 4GB flash drive back in the day
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
firewire 400 is gone from both models. Only fw800 now on the MBP.
Fatal error for Apple, IMHO. No FW on the Macbook is just dumb. No FW Target Disk Mode which has saved my ass many times before and what about all those video cameras that have a FW interface?

Oooops.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 01:47 PM
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dang the educational discount is only like $50 on the baseline MB, and $100 on the 2.4

I guess I was used to looking at the $200 off the MBP from before.
wtf!? The edu discount is only $100 on MBP's now!?!
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 01:49 PM
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Somebody who has followed mac over the years more than myself, approx how long is it between 'redesigns'??

I'm thinking I may be ready by the time the next one comes around.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 02:20 PM
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For those of you talking commenting on the new Cinema Display, are you comparing it to another LED backlit model? I took a peek on Dell's site and it didn't appear that any of their 24" are LED backlit. If they are, they did a crappy job of noting it.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
For those of you talking commenting on the new Cinema Display, are you comparing it to another LED backlit model? I took a peek on Dell's site and it didn't appear that any of their 24" are LED backlit. If they are, they did a crappy job of noting it.
I wouldn't guess so.
Being the relatively new and more expensive technology that LED Backlighting is, and considering the fact that Dell generally prides themselves in being affordable, I'm guess nay on them having any.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 02:32 PM
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I thought Sammy and NEC were making LED backlit monitors but I just took a look and didn't see anything. Perhaps these two are only doing OEM panels. Eizo has a new 24" model that's LED backlit which goes for $790.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TS_eXpeed
wtf!? The edu discount is only $100 on MBP's now!?!
Someone earlier mentioned trying to use the live.com 30% offer. Would you be able to buy an apple giftcard on ebay, save the 30% or whatever, then use that in the educational store for extra savings?


*edit* just checked ebay
people are selling $500 gift cards for like $550-$570 and advertising you can "save" 20 or 30%. I guess it would save you money in the long run, but what a joke . Can I put up a $1000 in cash on ebay for $1200, telling people to use microsoft live.

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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 09:50 PM
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just picked up myself the new 2.4 ghz macbook!
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 09:51 PM
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I'm not sure if the Apple display is the first LED backlit monitor but I know dell is still CCFL. Also is LED just for the 24in model they never mentioned the 30in which leads me to believe it's still CCFl. Finally, I'll say that Apple posted the price of the mini display port to dual-link DVI adaptor today and the adaptor will cost $100!!!!

P.s. also the new Macbooks don't come with the remote anymore it's now a $20 add-on.

p.s.s. to what scrib said about no firewire and target disk mode, that feature worked good and made transfering files and applications from old mac to new mac a breeze.

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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 10:46 PM
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Fatal error for Apple, IMHO. No FW on the Macbook is just dumb. No FW Target Disk Mode which has saved my ass many times before and what about all those video cameras that have a FW interface?

Oooops.
I wont disagree with this, but even apple has been heavily swinging USB 2.0 in their consumer products. And many of those consumer cameras now have FW & USB.

Its just one of those things apple did to say...macbook isnt the pro-line, even though its powerful enough.

I agree it sucks.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 11:56 PM
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damn it.....


.....i might've just ordered a macbook too ..........( )

I guess I'll have to put off buying stuff for a little while.
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