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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 02:00 PM
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seems like they really merged the gap between the macbook and macbook pro.

any difference between a spec'd out macbook and a bottomline macbook pro other than the size? or do the MBP have dual graphics? I'm confused. Probably merged the price gap as well, but at least everyone should be able to get a computer that fits their needs

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 03:16 PM
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wow...thanks for making my macbook look ancient. Love the new look
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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so pretty...
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 03:42 PM
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Still no SD card slot?
Still no hookup for a dock? Damn this is still gonna be ugly when it is used as a desktop replacement with wires come out every which way on the thing.

I'm liking the new trackpad though.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
Still no SD card slot?
Still no hookup for a dock? Damn this is still gonna be ugly when it is used as a desktop replacement with wires come out every which way on the thing.

I'm liking the new trackpad though.
I used mine as a desktop replacement for years prior to getting the imac. And I have a friend uses his as a desktop replacement. Its not much different than a desktop in terms of wires. Specially if you use BT peripherals or have halfway decent cable management skills.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 03:55 PM
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A dock sure wouldn't hurt though.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
I used mine as a desktop replacement for years prior to getting the imac. And I have a friend uses his as a desktop replacement. Its not much different than a desktop in terms of wires. Specially if you use BT peripherals or have halfway decent cable management skills.
I've made my setup at home pretty simple with proper cable management like you say. I have my keyboard and wacom tablet feeding into my monitor's builtin usb hub. and then that one usb cable feeds into my macbook leaving only my dvi cable and power cable. three wires.

Dell laptops with the docking capability. Zero cables. whichever way you look at it. Dell allows you to VERY quickly undock or dock and just go. not that easy with the macbook. Nearly every guy I know that uses a macbook here at JPL has complained about that feature lacking in macbooks for coprorate users. Apple brags about making things fun, innovative and EASY to do because it's a Mac. IMHO, they've just dropped the ball on this for years now. it's been a topic on the apple discussion boards too.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:18 PM
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Just read over at Ars Technica that the new Cinema Display only works with machines that have the new display port. The previous Cinema Displays appear to have been pulled form Apple's site as well. It looks like from this point forward if you want to use a new Apple Cinema Display, you need a new machine. I know Apple's all about "out with the old, in with the new" but this just seems like a dumb move on their part.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TS_eXpeed
A dock sure wouldn't hurt though.


Imagine having a dock to mate your MBP. If it had a couple extra USB ports since having two on the MBP 15" is a joke IMHO. Three should have been the minimum. Also the ability to feed an external monitor through it as well as audio, and power the laptop. Throw a few cooling fans underneath it and it would be
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
Just read over at Ars Technica that the new Cinema Display only works with machines that have the new display port. The previous Cinema Displays appear to have been pulled form Apple's site as well. It looks like from this point forward if you want to use a new Apple Cinema Display, you need a new machine.
That sounds on par with Apple's business model.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
Just read over at Ars Technica that the new Cinema Display only works with machines that have the new display port. The previous Cinema Displays appear to have been pulled form Apple's site as well. It looks like from this point forward if you want to use a new Apple Cinema Display, you need a new machine. I know Apple's all about "out with the old, in with the new" but this just seems like a dumb move on their part.
Just like when they introduced mini DVI, there will be an adapter.

here:http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB...1&s=topSellers

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
Just like when they introduced mini DVI, there will be an adapter.

here:http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB...1&s=topSellers
War averted.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
Just like when they introduced mini DVI, there will be an adapter.
Yeah, I did a a few minutes after I posted about the Cinema Displays. I forgot that Steve even said during the presentation that the Mini Display Port was the equivalent of a full size DVI connector.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal


Imagine having a dock to mate your MBP. If it had a couple extra USB ports since having two on the MBP 15" is a joke IMHO. Three should have been the minimum. Also the ability to feed an external monitor through it as well as audio, and power the laptop. Throw a few cooling fans underneath it and it would be
I like the ideas.

Anyone take a guess on why apple WOULDN'T do something like this?
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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What do you think a Macbook Core Duo 2ghz w/160Gb HD and 2 gb Ram with Dvd-r drive is worth? Also the top casing is pretty heavily cracked at the edges and I have 2 batteries?
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:11 PM
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i just had this brain fart, the new GPU should make photoshop CS4 insanely fast if CS4 does infact employ GPU processing.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
i just had this brain fart, the new GPU should make photoshop CS4 insanely fast if CS4 does infact employ GPU processing.
Sounds like they will be using GPU processing on the new Photoshop CS4

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10048014-39.html

The new version of Adobe's flagship software product takes its first steps in using the graphics processing unit, or GPU, said John Nack, principal product manager for Adobe Photoshop. For example, the graphics chip helps Photoshop CS4 fluidly zoom in and out, rotate the canvas so artists can reorient an image for the best sketching angle, display and manipulate 3D objects, and handle color correction.
Also, I believe there are videos on adobe.tv showcasing this ability.

I'll ask a buddy of mine and see if he knows anything.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TS_eXpeed
I like the ideas.

Anyone take a guess on why apple WOULDN'T do something like this?
To piss people off?

Seriously, I haven't heard any reasoning about why they haven't. I'm interested to see why they haven't either.


I did a little searching and look what I found for the macbook:

http://www.bookendzdocks.com/Docking...ook_White.html
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
To piss people off?

Seriously, I haven't heard any reasoning about why they haven't. I'm interested to see why they haven't either.


I did a little searching and look what I found for the macbook:

http://www.bookendzdocks.com/Docking...ook_White.html
Yeah bookendz always made some kind of dock for the laptops, though I thought they had stopped years ago, guess not.

so there you go, a dock
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
Yeah bookendz always made some kind of dock for the laptops, though I thought they had stopped years ago, guess not.

so there you go, a dock
Oh man, take a look at this monstrosity!

http://www.bookendzdocks.com/Docking...ewire_800.html



Now if only Apple added an actual port for the dock, it could look clean and simple like....

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
i just had this brain fart, the new GPU should make photoshop CS4 insanely fast if CS4 does infact employ GPU processing.
This is also probably the main reason why Adobe was downplaying no 64 bit PS for the Mac. It's simply not going to make much real world difference with the GPU processing.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
i just had this brain fart, the new GPU should make photoshop CS4 insanely fast if CS4 does infact employ GPU processing.
It only uses GPUs for certain tasks I think only four tasks in Photoshop.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
Oh man, take a look at this monstrosity!

http://www.bookendzdocks.com/Docking...ewire_800.html



Now if only Apple added an actual port for the dock, it could look clean and simple like....

does that dock allow for the dell to be open?

Most people I know that use lappy as a desktop nowadays goes dual monitor, with the laptop being one of them.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
does that dock allow for the dell to be open?

Most people I know that use lappy as a desktop nowadays goes dual monitor, with the laptop being one of them.
I'm not sure if this particular model does, but one of my friends has a dell laptop for work and uses a dock with his laptop open using that screen as well as another LCD.

Here's a small picture of the front, you can see that it just hooks up at the bottom and you can keep your laptop screen open:

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
I'm not sure if this particular model does, but one of my friends has a dell laptop for work and uses a dock with his laptop open using that screen as well as another LCD.

Here's a small picture of the front, you can see that it just hooks up at the bottom and you can keep your laptop screen open:

That looks a lot like the dock I have at work. Mine is a little different. I have it set up like that too. Running the laptop screen as a secondary monitor. Helps a lot for work. But for a personal computer, I probably wouldn't have bought it. I think I saw the receipt, and it was like $200 from dell. But then again, I don't have an external monitor at home.

I guess it would be cool to have something like that w/ a mac, but it would ruin all their pretty no frills look

I hope I can use an educational discount and get the new macbook. I think it would be fine for what I need. My ibook can barely run CS2. Is the apple educational store still on the honor policy? I still remember my school ID number If not, I think I'll have to ask my roommate to buy one.

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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2.0 ghz or 2.4 ghz macbook? which ones the better buy, is the 2.4 noticably faster?
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 07:56 PM
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It seems that ur paying $300 extra dollars for 90 extra GB of hardrive and an extra .4 in the GHZ. is it worth the extra money?
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 07:58 PM
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That's all relative.
What are you looking to use the computer for?
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 07:58 PM
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you get an illuminated keyboard too.

I think it'd be hard for me to spend $1700 on a macbook, as I'm used to macbooks being in the 1k-1.3k range, but I guess the new macbooks specs are almost just as good as the old MBP
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:13 PM
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school, internet, download a lot of music mainly. actually when i went to customize the 1300 dollar one it said it came with an illuminated keyboard...
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Umm, .4GHz that's at least a 20% increase in processing power.

Yeah this top of the line macbook is the replacement for the 12in MBP that no one bought when it came out and then they all bitched and whined to have it back after they took it away. So it's back in 13.3 in form. But it's sad that for a laptop that costs $1600 it still doesn't come with Express card slots.

Apple is laying the groundwork to 10.6 in this update. By switching to Nvidia instead of intel integrated graphics these new Macbooks will be able to take advantage of the GPU processing improvements that should be coming with snow leopard while older Macbooks and Minis will not.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:39 PM
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screw it, go big or go home, im gonna buy it online so i dont have to pay 10% chicago taxes and im gonna use my apple education discount to save big $
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:47 PM
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Aside from voiding any warranties, can you pretty much swap out/upgrade/replace any piece of hardware on the MB and MBP?...Larger HD, memory, etc, etc without having to go through Apple, or is there any proprietary stuff that you cannot swap?
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:52 PM
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Aside from voiding any warranties, can you pretty much swap out/upgrade/replace any piece of hardware on the MB and MBP?...Larger HD, memory, etc, etc without having to go through Apple, or is there any proprietary stuff that you cannot swap?
Not sure how easy/hard they made it on the new ones to add your own memory. It shouldnt void your warranty, but if you have to send it in for any reason I'd probably remove it. Apple really tries to push "their" memory on people and they charge for it, too.

I had read this new one has a user accessable HD slot...so maybe they are loosening up on people upgrading their own HDs. Most people tend to do this after a few years to take advantage of newer drives with bigger storage/faster speeds. And you'll be out of warranty by then.

Not sure what else youd really want/need to swap out.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:55 PM
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the old ones, you basically had to disassemble the whole computer to get to the harddrive. Replacing ram was easier.

From what pictures I can see it looks like the harddrive is more easily accessible in the new models. It looks like the keyboard would be much harder to replace though. I had to replace the keyboard on my ibook after my brother spilled on it, and some of the buttons stopped working.

Is the touchpad actually a clickable button, or do they just mean that you can touch wherever to get it to click?

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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Is the touchpad actually a clickable button, or do they just mean that you can touch wherever to get it to click?
Its actually a button...watch the video they put up on the macbook page: http://www.apple.com/macbook/
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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i think they are awesome. I feel the need to upgrade my powerbook g4 but its still going strong and I've had it since 04-05. I know i want an iMac 24" because I have too many pics, mp3's and customer projects on my laptop. Price doesn't frighten me considering I paid over $2200 for mine when it came out. Im wondering what next with the phone...
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:59 PM
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I know there are lots of new and cool changes to the new laptops, but is there anything on the outgoing models that they did not include in the new ones that really sucks not having?
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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Its actually a button...watch the video they put up on the macbook page: http://www.apple.com/macbook/
thanks, i can't see it from work, i'll have to watch it later. Might just be because I don't have quicktime on my work laptop.

that's good, I was worried dragging would be hard without a physical button. That's the only time I ever use the button though, might be weird to have to pushdown on the trackpad and move at the same time .
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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man basically if you opt for the 2.8Ghz MBP, the machine is faster than my 2.8 imac because of the increase in frontside bus speed. And faster vid card at 512mb
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