Hewlett-Packard: TouchPad News and Discussion Thread
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Of course if I restore it no one would know, but the waranty was still voided...
Ohh nvm.
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I was giving him "crap" because all he did was whine-cry-whine for the TouchPad...it had nothing to do with the device. Heck, I own one and think it's adequate.
So does everyone else in here.
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And here's some context for you: when it comes to Miz, everything sucks unless it has a fruit logo on it. Even water...air, too.
Only an Apple product will be whine/cry-free.
Now, find me that post where I said the TouchPad sucks...and I'm actually serious and not snarking.
And here's some context for you: when it comes to Miz, everything sucks unless it has a fruit logo on it. Even water...air, too.
Only an Apple product will be whine/cry-free.
Now, find me that post where I said the TouchPad sucks...and I'm actually serious and not snarking.
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And here's some context for you: when it comes to Miz, everything sucks unless it has a fruit logo on it. Even water...air, too.
Only an Apple product will be whine/cry-free.
Now, find me that post where I said the TouchPad sucks...and I'm actually serious and not snarking.![Nod](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/nod.gif)
And here's some context for you: when it comes to Miz, everything sucks unless it has a fruit logo on it. Even water...air, too.
Only an Apple product will be whine/cry-free.
Now, find me that post where I said the TouchPad sucks...and I'm actually serious and not snarking.
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I didn't say you said anything about the TP sucking, I said you are giving him crap about HIM buying one, because he's not happy with it. I said at least he tried another product, made by someone other than Apple, as opposed to you only looking at Sony. So keep it where it was, not where you want to take it, to moonwalk about your cult for Sony. I started this as a fun ribbing, but as normal you take it to literal, because you "don't" nag people about using/liking Apple products. //
And read Cochese's post below yours.
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And here's some context for you: when it comes to Miz, everything sucks unless it has a fruit logo on it. Even water...air, too.
Only an Apple product will be whine/cry-free.
Now, find me that post where I said the TouchPad sucks...and I'm actually serious and not snarking.![Nod](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/nod.gif)
And here's some context for you: when it comes to Miz, everything sucks unless it has a fruit logo on it. Even water...air, too.
Only an Apple product will be whine/cry-free.
Now, find me that post where I said the TouchPad sucks...and I'm actually serious and not snarking.
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Otherwise everything I have would be made by them.
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Anyways tomorrow at 10:30AM PST we find out from Meg Whitman the fate of webOS
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HP has finally decided the fate of webOS today, and it's an open one: the platform will be contributed to the open source community. The company says that it will be an "active participant and investor in the project," and that its ultimate goal here is to accelerate development. In other words, it doesn't want to pump the amount of money into webOS that would be required to make it fully competitive, so it's looking to the public to help make that happen.
As for Enyo — the app framework that underpins webOS 3 and the TouchPad — HP says that it will be contributed in the "near future" along with "the remaining components of the user space." There's no specific verbiage in HP's press release about what won't be contributed, but PreCentral has learned that patents related to webOS will remain under HP control "to protect developers."
It remains to be seen what (if any) hardware HP directly produces for the newly-opened operating system, but it says that today's move creates "the opportunity to significantly improve applications and web services for the next generation of devices," so it certainly expects someone to fill those hardware shoes — and in this model, of course, anyone will be welcome to do so.
The move feels similar to the one that Nokia made several years ago in the creation of the Symbian Foundation to foster open source development of that platform, and that didn't work out too well — it later shuttered the organization, brought Symbian's development back in house, and ultimately announced its long-term phase-out in favor of Windows Phone. Of course, HP isn't a mobile company the same way Nokia is, so it isn't as immediately critical that it find and implement a successful mobile platform. Either way, webOS's fight for relevance is a long, uphill one.
HP has also posted a brief set of FAQs about today's move. Regarding the future of HP-branded webOS hardware, the company says that it will "explore the viability of putting webOS on devices, just as we do for other leading operating systems" — in other words, it doesn't sound like there'll be much favoritism here when it comes time to select a mobile platform (or a printer platform). It also doesn't sound like we should expect any new devices any time soon. For current owners, though, the good news is that they'll "continue to receive software improvements and updates in the future."
As for Enyo — the app framework that underpins webOS 3 and the TouchPad — HP says that it will be contributed in the "near future" along with "the remaining components of the user space." There's no specific verbiage in HP's press release about what won't be contributed, but PreCentral has learned that patents related to webOS will remain under HP control "to protect developers."
It remains to be seen what (if any) hardware HP directly produces for the newly-opened operating system, but it says that today's move creates "the opportunity to significantly improve applications and web services for the next generation of devices," so it certainly expects someone to fill those hardware shoes — and in this model, of course, anyone will be welcome to do so.
The move feels similar to the one that Nokia made several years ago in the creation of the Symbian Foundation to foster open source development of that platform, and that didn't work out too well — it later shuttered the organization, brought Symbian's development back in house, and ultimately announced its long-term phase-out in favor of Windows Phone. Of course, HP isn't a mobile company the same way Nokia is, so it isn't as immediately critical that it find and implement a successful mobile platform. Either way, webOS's fight for relevance is a long, uphill one.
HP has also posted a brief set of FAQs about today's move. Regarding the future of HP-branded webOS hardware, the company says that it will "explore the viability of putting webOS on devices, just as we do for other leading operating systems" — in other words, it doesn't sound like there'll be much favoritism here when it comes time to select a mobile platform (or a printer platform). It also doesn't sound like we should expect any new devices any time soon. For current owners, though, the good news is that they'll "continue to receive software improvements and updates in the future."
So I guess this add life to the current devices but I don't think this will encourage future devices from any big name companies
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/9/26...ourced-says-hp
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I guess I was wrong....maybe
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/9/26...urce-interview
We've just had a chance to sit down with HP's CEO Meg Whitman and board member Marc Andreessen to discuss the future of webOS given today's announcement. Both Meg and Marc were eager to talk about webOS not as a dead end, but an active platform which the company would continue to put resources and cash against. Most surprising of all? The company plans to create new webOS hardware... including tablets. We've transcribed the full conversation — so read on below.
Will HP be creating any new webOS hardware?
Meg: The answer to that is yes but what I can't tell you is whether that will be in 2012 or not. But we will use webOS in new hardware, but it's just going to take us a little longer to reorganize the team in a quite different direction than we've been taking it in the past.
Are we talking printers? Or tablets and phones?
Meg: In the near term what I would imagine — and this could change, in full disclosure — is I would think tablets, I do not believe we will be in the smartphone business again.
But tablets are a real possibility?
Meg: Yes.
So how will this new webOS team be structured? Will Marc run a webOS Foundation like Mozilla? Will there be a division? Will it be part time for HP engineers?
Meg: So we will keep the core group of employees together - those who want to sign up for this new vision. Admittedly, this is a different vision than webOS had for themselves. That was more akin to a closed-loop system, more like Apple in many ways, and now we're going to an open system. So we will keep the core group together, there will be leadership as there has been, and HP will continue to invest in this. The exact organizational structure we do not know yet — we've looked at Mozilla, Hadoop, Red Hat, and we want to think through that. Many of those models have been successful, we may come up with an alternative model on how we want to organize this. But there will be a dedicated team of resources to this, with the first backer being HP.
But that will be a webOS-dedicated team, a webOS team.
Meg: Correct.
Are there going to be pieces of webOS or IP that you hold onto, that will be HP-only?
Marc: In general, the intent is to open source webOS — so the idea is to open source webOS in its entirety...
Meg: Including Enyo.
Marc: Including Enyo. By the way, there are some current components of webOS — in its current form — that are not open sourceable, so there's some work that has to happen to swap those out and swap in some open source alternatives. So there's some work involved to get webOS into open source, but that's the first order of business.
But the goal is not to keep some pieces of webOS for yourselves. You want the whole thing open source?
Meg: Yes, absolutely.
So what happened with selling? There was a lot of speculation that you would sell it off. Were there no attractive offers, or was this just a different direction you wanted to take — to invest in it, to not sell?
Meg: We looked at a whole bunch of opportunities, the team here — right after the mid-August announcement — said 'what were the alternatives?' Wind down? Sell the portfolio? Run it like we did before, but better? And as we looked at all the alternatives, this seemed to be the one that made the most sense for the industry, for the community, for the developer community. As you go through these structures, you look at the pros and cons of the alternatives, and this was one that was affordable for HP to invest in in the long haul, but also had a great opportunity to fill a market need. And listen, it's a great asset, and who wants it to go away?
Are there going to be more layoffs in the webOS division? Or will that stop here?
Meg: You know, I don't really know the answer to that. We want to keep this team together. We have to build a business plan, we've got to build a 3 or 4 year product roadmap. And exactly who we need on the team and what positions remains to be seen. But what I told employees this morning is that we want them to be part of this. But we this also has the characteristics of a startup — a big startup. It has 600 people, 750,000 devices out there in the marketplace, it has a big company behind it. But it's a startup. What we have to do is figure out exactly where we're going to invest and how many people we need to do that.
So what is the metric for success or failure with webOS at this point? How do you know 'hey we're winning, it's working,' or if you need to reevaluate?
Meg: Well first I want to set expectations about time frame. This is going to take some time. If you look back at the history of Mozilla or Red Hat — these things did not become giant platforms over night. This in my view is a 4 or 5 year timeframe, and I want to make sure we really communicate that. And then I think the measures of success — and I'm not going to give you numbers here — but the measures of success are going to be: how many developers are writing for this platform? Have there been other hardware manufacturers who have signed on and built devices, whether they be tablets or devices of the future or smartphones? And ultimately, the ability of developers to make money.
But you think this is 4 or 5 years before you can evaluate if it's doing what you want it to do?
Meg: There will be milestones along the way, but one thing I know about technology is that if you believe in something, you have to have a longer term horizon than next week, next quarter, or next year. When we looked at alternatives, we said 'what will be affordable to HP to invest, and get this thing going,' and we'll monitor along the way. There's a bit of a test and iterate here — it's not just something you say 'if it's not perfect in a year, we're out of here.'
Will HP be creating any new webOS hardware?
Meg: The answer to that is yes but what I can't tell you is whether that will be in 2012 or not. But we will use webOS in new hardware, but it's just going to take us a little longer to reorganize the team in a quite different direction than we've been taking it in the past.
Are we talking printers? Or tablets and phones?
Meg: In the near term what I would imagine — and this could change, in full disclosure — is I would think tablets, I do not believe we will be in the smartphone business again.
But tablets are a real possibility?
Meg: Yes.
So how will this new webOS team be structured? Will Marc run a webOS Foundation like Mozilla? Will there be a division? Will it be part time for HP engineers?
Meg: So we will keep the core group of employees together - those who want to sign up for this new vision. Admittedly, this is a different vision than webOS had for themselves. That was more akin to a closed-loop system, more like Apple in many ways, and now we're going to an open system. So we will keep the core group together, there will be leadership as there has been, and HP will continue to invest in this. The exact organizational structure we do not know yet — we've looked at Mozilla, Hadoop, Red Hat, and we want to think through that. Many of those models have been successful, we may come up with an alternative model on how we want to organize this. But there will be a dedicated team of resources to this, with the first backer being HP.
But that will be a webOS-dedicated team, a webOS team.
Meg: Correct.
Are there going to be pieces of webOS or IP that you hold onto, that will be HP-only?
Marc: In general, the intent is to open source webOS — so the idea is to open source webOS in its entirety...
Meg: Including Enyo.
Marc: Including Enyo. By the way, there are some current components of webOS — in its current form — that are not open sourceable, so there's some work that has to happen to swap those out and swap in some open source alternatives. So there's some work involved to get webOS into open source, but that's the first order of business.
But the goal is not to keep some pieces of webOS for yourselves. You want the whole thing open source?
Meg: Yes, absolutely.
So what happened with selling? There was a lot of speculation that you would sell it off. Were there no attractive offers, or was this just a different direction you wanted to take — to invest in it, to not sell?
Meg: We looked at a whole bunch of opportunities, the team here — right after the mid-August announcement — said 'what were the alternatives?' Wind down? Sell the portfolio? Run it like we did before, but better? And as we looked at all the alternatives, this seemed to be the one that made the most sense for the industry, for the community, for the developer community. As you go through these structures, you look at the pros and cons of the alternatives, and this was one that was affordable for HP to invest in in the long haul, but also had a great opportunity to fill a market need. And listen, it's a great asset, and who wants it to go away?
Are there going to be more layoffs in the webOS division? Or will that stop here?
Meg: You know, I don't really know the answer to that. We want to keep this team together. We have to build a business plan, we've got to build a 3 or 4 year product roadmap. And exactly who we need on the team and what positions remains to be seen. But what I told employees this morning is that we want them to be part of this. But we this also has the characteristics of a startup — a big startup. It has 600 people, 750,000 devices out there in the marketplace, it has a big company behind it. But it's a startup. What we have to do is figure out exactly where we're going to invest and how many people we need to do that.
So what is the metric for success or failure with webOS at this point? How do you know 'hey we're winning, it's working,' or if you need to reevaluate?
Meg: Well first I want to set expectations about time frame. This is going to take some time. If you look back at the history of Mozilla or Red Hat — these things did not become giant platforms over night. This in my view is a 4 or 5 year timeframe, and I want to make sure we really communicate that. And then I think the measures of success — and I'm not going to give you numbers here — but the measures of success are going to be: how many developers are writing for this platform? Have there been other hardware manufacturers who have signed on and built devices, whether they be tablets or devices of the future or smartphones? And ultimately, the ability of developers to make money.
But you think this is 4 or 5 years before you can evaluate if it's doing what you want it to do?
Meg: There will be milestones along the way, but one thing I know about technology is that if you believe in something, you have to have a longer term horizon than next week, next quarter, or next year. When we looked at alternatives, we said 'what will be affordable to HP to invest, and get this thing going,' and we'll monitor along the way. There's a bit of a test and iterate here — it's not just something you say 'if it's not perfect in a year, we're out of here.'
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I have a new and unopened TouchPad (16 GB wifi/black) if anyone is interested in buying it. I'll take the first reasonable offer.
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Looks like they are all sold out. This touchpad is a virus.
Want to bring down a site? Spread the word that a certain link is selling a Touchpad lmao
Want to bring down a site? Spread the word that a certain link is selling a Touchpad lmao
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1321335 pretty good update for CM7. They basically took alpha3 and tweaked and preloaded with all the good apps and fixed most issues with wifi/battery... Give it a try if you'd like. It's very stable.
CM team will not release any more CM7 updates (alpha 3 is the last one), they are more focused on CM9 which will be based around ice cream sandwich.
CM team will not release any more CM7 updates (alpha 3 is the last one), they are more focused on CM9 which will be based around ice cream sandwich.
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does that mean cm9 will come for the pad?
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so.......... anyone that actually owns one a Touchpad, what case do you have? the OEM one?
Also, do you own the Touchstone charging dock?
I'll prob get a case and a charging dock, just waiting for the prices to fall more. Still unsure about getting a screen protector.
Also, do you own the Touchstone charging dock?
I'll prob get a case and a charging dock, just waiting for the prices to fall more. Still unsure about getting a screen protector.
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I was thinking of buying another TP during the ebay sale but ended up passing. Figure if I am going to buy another tablet at all it will probably be the Transformer Prime when it is finally released. Think I might try CM7 on the TP this weekend as well.
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holy shit touchpads are selling for > $200 on ebay.
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I want TP for my bunhole, lol... ![Big Grin](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Today I was woken up by my TP (CM7 alpha 3 - ron)...the bitch decided to turn on and reboot... The shit is very bright at night, I almost tossed it out of the window for waking me... Anyone ever had the unexpected, Hello god ray in the middle of the night?
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Today I was woken up by my TP (CM7 alpha 3 - ron)...the bitch decided to turn on and reboot... The shit is very bright at night, I almost tossed it out of the window for waking me... Anyone ever had the unexpected, Hello god ray in the middle of the night?
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I had something similar when I first got my pad, I'd put it to charge and turn off the exhibition mode only for it to turn back on a few minutes later.
One of the updates fixed it thou.
Btw how do you disable exhibition mode? I don't care for it.
One of the updates fixed it thou.
Btw how do you disable exhibition mode? I don't care for it.
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so.......... anyone that actually owns one a Touchpad, what case do you have? the OEM one?
Also, do you own the Touchstone charging dock?
I'll prob get a case and a charging dock, just waiting for the prices to fall more. Still unsure about getting a screen protector.
Also, do you own the Touchstone charging dock?
I'll prob get a case and a charging dock, just waiting for the prices to fall more. Still unsure about getting a screen protector.
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So I updated to the latest CM7 XRON-ified ROM to my Touchpad and Love it.
Question that I can't seem to figure our on the XDA forums. Is there a clear fix for Wifi auto Re-connect on re-boot?
I still have the Android bug where I have to manually reconnect to my Wifi when I reboot my touchpad. Other than that, this ROM is solid.
Question that I can't seem to figure our on the XDA forums. Is there a clear fix for Wifi auto Re-connect on re-boot?
I still have the Android bug where I have to manually reconnect to my Wifi when I reboot my touchpad. Other than that, this ROM is solid.