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hey just looking for some point of reference..
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Does apple RAM have a special 30 pin connector?
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I remember back in the day when I picked up my pre-unibody MBP, they wanted $1000 for an upgrade from 1GB to 4GB of RAM.
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I think I paid ~$120 for 2x2GB Kingston RAM Modules.
A handy app to use that catalogs machine information for macs is http://www.mactracker.ca/ They also have an app for the iPhone
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Upgrading to 8GB on the new MBP runs approx $200 based on what I saw when I priced out a new MBP the other day. ![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
I remember back in the day when I picked up my pre-unibody MBP, they wanted $1000 for an upgrade from 1GB to 4GB of RAM.![Screwy](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/screwy.gif)
I think I paid ~$120 for 2x2GB Kingston RAM Modules.
A handy app to use that catalogs machine information for macs is http://www.mactracker.ca/ They also have an app for the iPhone
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I remember back in the day when I picked up my pre-unibody MBP, they wanted $1000 for an upgrade from 1GB to 4GB of RAM.
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I think I paid ~$120 for 2x2GB Kingston RAM Modules.
A handy app to use that catalogs machine information for macs is http://www.mactracker.ca/ They also have an app for the iPhone
yeah.. I remember when 4MB of RAM was $250.
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I looked up the same spec RAM at crucial for the same spec Apple computer (i7 17" Macbook Pro) - and it costs the same - $97 for 8gb. only difference (minor) is its 1066 Mhz.
http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartsp...737F5EA5CA7304
http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartsp...737F5EA5CA7304
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I remember upgrading from 512k of RAM to 640k
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It's just not as ridiculous as it once was. But I guess the higher than normal pricing accounts for warranty issues.
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I looked up the same spec RAM at crucial for the same spec Apple computer (i7 17" Macbook Pro) - and it costs the same - $97 for 8gb. only difference (minor) is its 1066 Mhz.
http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartsp...737F5EA5CA7304
http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartsp...737F5EA5CA7304
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oh ok. well that's why I asked about it, I wanted to know what Apple was charging. its about the same as Dell charges at their site, so this is not an Apple only thing.
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I just checked at Dell for upgrading current 17" i7 laptop to 8gb (from 4gb) - its $120. so dell 4gb = $120, crucial 8gb = $97.
but again this is nothing new, its been like this for years and years.
but again this is nothing new, its been like this for years and years.
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nice on the 1333, I woulda been going
if the new ones were 1066.
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you can use the 1066mhz sticks, just not really a good idea, gonna cut back on performance.
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Not gonna make a difference in day to day usage. If you focus on memory benchmarks then yeah you'll see an improvement but overall when you factor in you're still using a hard drive and connecting over a very slow (relative to memory speeds) internet connection, 266Mhz more RAM speeds, is not much.
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I've been thinking about it more and more....
Macbook Air with thunderbolt....so much win for a portable photo computer.
Macbook Air with thunderbolt....so much win for a portable photo computer.
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If they refresh the air in the next few months Im going to be pissed...
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I plan on installing the 'latest and greatest' in the next few months since things have changed greatly.
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Update this thread when you do. I'm probably not going to pull the trigger until Back to school so I can take advantage of Lion being released and the usual ipod deal. I think i'm going to go for the top 13'' then fire in an ssd and maybe more rams. I don't need the power now but I got 5 years out of my old macbook so if i get the same out of this one it'll be worth it.
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Update this thread when you do. I'm probably not going to pull the trigger until Back to school so I can take advantage of Lion being released and the usual ipod deal. I think i'm going to go for the top 13'' then fire in an ssd and maybe more rams. I don't need the power now but I got 5 years out of my old macbook so if i get the same out of this one it'll be worth it.
The main reason I'll be switching to an SSD: Noise, the fans almost never run, instead you hear a fair whisper coming from the hard drive which is to the right of the trackpad. Plus my wife needs the 500 gig drive for her older laptop, I have plenty of externals I can use.
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Will do, I love my setup (same as the one you're looking at). I'm adding another 4 gigs of RAM next week. According to folks on Macrumors.com who have switched to an SSD, they're seeing some incredibly fast loading times as in under 8 seconds from power-on to login screen. For the record, the stock 5400 rpm drive seems to be 'just fine' for most uses, apps load quickly (one at a time) but the hard drive certainly remains a bottleneck.
The main reason I'll be switching to an SSD: Noise, the fans almost never run, instead you hear a fair whisper coming from the hard drive which is to the right of the trackpad. Plus my wife needs the 500 gig drive for her older laptop, I have plenty of externals I can use.
The main reason I'll be switching to an SSD: Noise, the fans almost never run, instead you hear a fair whisper coming from the hard drive which is to the right of the trackpad. Plus my wife needs the 500 gig drive for her older laptop, I have plenty of externals I can use.
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Are the SATA ports on the new MBPs 6GBps or 3GBps?
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God damn the stupidity in that thread was making my head hurt....
Also if you get an MBP that ships with an SSD from Apple then you get a version of OS X that has TRIM support! Hopefully this will be rolling out to everyone in 10.6.7 if not you'll have to wait until 10.7 to get teh TRIM
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...w_leopard.html
Also if you get an MBP that ships with an SSD from Apple then you get a version of OS X that has TRIM support! Hopefully this will be rolling out to everyone in 10.6.7 if not you'll have to wait until 10.7 to get teh TRIM
![](http://photos.appleinsider.com/TRIM030411.png)
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...w_leopard.html
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It's what prevents your SSD from slowing down to HDD speeds after extended periods of normal usage.
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So looks like that macbook pro has 6gbit but the SSD they ship only can handle 3? (negotiated link speed)
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God damn the stupidity in that thread was making my head hurt....
Also if you get an MBP that ships with an SSD from Apple then you get a version of OS X that has TRIM support! Hopefully this will be rolling out to everyone in 10.6.7 if not you'll have to wait until 10.7 to get teh TRIM
Also if you get an MBP that ships with an SSD from Apple then you get a version of OS X that has TRIM support! Hopefully this will be rolling out to everyone in 10.6.7 if not you'll have to wait until 10.7 to get teh TRIM
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gotta love these stupid youtube videos that just regurgitate information from common rumor websites ![rofl](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/08/...bileme-revamp/
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http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/08/...bileme-revamp/
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Where are the damn new mac desktops?
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gotta love these stupid youtube videos that just regurgitate information from common rumor websites ![rofl](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/08/...bileme-revamp/
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http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/08/...bileme-revamp/
But, meh - i prefer from the actual website - i just saw it on him before i read the article.
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http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/10/...ds-at-pwn2own/
ZDNet reports that a MacBook running Safari was the first machine to fall victim to a security exploit in the PWN2OWN hacker challenge at the CanSecWest conference in Vancouver, Canada. French security researchers compromised the MacBook and launched code within five seconds of contacting the machine, winning a $15,000 cash prize and a new 13-inch MacBook Air for their efforts.
VUPEN co-founder Chaouki Bekrar lured a target MacBook to a specially rigged website and successfully launched a calculator on the compromised machine.
The hijacked machine was running a fully patched version of Mac OS X (64-bit).
In an interview with ZDNet, Bekrar said the vulnerability exists in WebKit, the open-source browser rendering engine. A three-man team of researchers spent about two weeks to find the vulnerability (using fuzzers) and writing a reliable exploit.
While Bekrar noted some difficulties in preparing the exploit due to a lack of documentation on how to exploit 64-bit Mac OS X code, his team was ultimately able to bypass several anti-exploit tactics included in Mac OS X to demonstrate how a machine could become comprised simply by visiting a malicious webpage and without crashing the browser.
Macs have become popular targets for researchers seeking to find security holes, with CanSecWest being a major forum for discussion and demonstration of their work. In 2007, the conference sponsored a "Hack a Mac" contest with a $10,000 cash prize, although organizers did have to loosen the contest rules before researchers succeeded in compromising a MacBook.
The following year, a MacBook Air was the first to be compromised at PWN2OWN, falling victim to a exploit initiated through Safari. Apple released a Safari update just a few weeks later to address that issue. And in 2010, noted researcher Charlie Miller used the conference to expose 20 zero-day holes in Mac OS X, claiming that Mac users' infrequent run-ins with hackers have primarily been due to "security by obscurity", with most malicious hackers preferring to attack Windows platforms with substantially larger user bases.
Notably, Apple is said to have reached out to security researchers for the first time with the initial developer build of Mac OS X Lion, inviting them to test out the forthcoming operating system in hopes of finding and patching as many holes as possible before Lion reaches customers' hands later this year. Miller and some other researchers have, however, scaled back their reporting of security flaws to Apple in the face of its refusal to match other companies' offerings of cash rewards for finding such holes.
VUPEN co-founder Chaouki Bekrar lured a target MacBook to a specially rigged website and successfully launched a calculator on the compromised machine.
The hijacked machine was running a fully patched version of Mac OS X (64-bit).
In an interview with ZDNet, Bekrar said the vulnerability exists in WebKit, the open-source browser rendering engine. A three-man team of researchers spent about two weeks to find the vulnerability (using fuzzers) and writing a reliable exploit.
While Bekrar noted some difficulties in preparing the exploit due to a lack of documentation on how to exploit 64-bit Mac OS X code, his team was ultimately able to bypass several anti-exploit tactics included in Mac OS X to demonstrate how a machine could become comprised simply by visiting a malicious webpage and without crashing the browser.
Macs have become popular targets for researchers seeking to find security holes, with CanSecWest being a major forum for discussion and demonstration of their work. In 2007, the conference sponsored a "Hack a Mac" contest with a $10,000 cash prize, although organizers did have to loosen the contest rules before researchers succeeded in compromising a MacBook.
The following year, a MacBook Air was the first to be compromised at PWN2OWN, falling victim to a exploit initiated through Safari. Apple released a Safari update just a few weeks later to address that issue. And in 2010, noted researcher Charlie Miller used the conference to expose 20 zero-day holes in Mac OS X, claiming that Mac users' infrequent run-ins with hackers have primarily been due to "security by obscurity", with most malicious hackers preferring to attack Windows platforms with substantially larger user bases.
Notably, Apple is said to have reached out to security researchers for the first time with the initial developer build of Mac OS X Lion, inviting them to test out the forthcoming operating system in hopes of finding and patching as many holes as possible before Lion reaches customers' hands later this year. Miller and some other researchers have, however, scaled back their reporting of security flaws to Apple in the face of its refusal to match other companies' offerings of cash rewards for finding such holes.
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