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#881
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
But in any case, even though you think you saw holding - you agree that it should have been a free play since the defensive lineman was offsides. Correct? Seattle should have had the ball on the 1 after the completion to Jerramy Stevens.
EDIT: Damn, ccannizz11 beat me to it.
#882
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I don't think it was a hold either. I saw the replay. So did Al and John. So did the other guys in the booth. Bogus call.
Reason? They were LOOKING for an excuse to flag Seattle, not Pittsburgh.
When did the flag come in, anyway? I don't remember seeing that part. Was the flag thrown after the completion or before?
Reason? They were LOOKING for an excuse to flag Seattle, not Pittsburgh.
When did the flag come in, anyway? I don't remember seeing that part. Was the flag thrown after the completion or before?
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
I'm saying that it was a totally indefensible and biased call that demonstrated that the officiating crew would make up ANY excuse to penalize Seattle. Do you have any other justification for such a call?
Yes, that trick play was a good one and it definitely worked. But if not for three bad calls in a row (1 - not calling offside on Pitt, 2 - calling holding on Seattle, 3 - advancing Pitt 15 yards on a total BS personal foul) then that trick play would never have had the opportunity to happen like it did.
Yes, that trick play was a good one and it definitely worked. But if not for three bad calls in a row (1 - not calling offside on Pitt, 2 - calling holding on Seattle, 3 - advancing Pitt 15 yards on a total BS personal foul) then that trick play would never have had the opportunity to happen like it did.
Now, I just hope my Viking's make the playoffs next year.
#884
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What is even worse before they flagged him for blocking low is when the ref hit Hasselback's arm causing him to throw an interception to Ike Taylor. I think it is time to move on because all your conspiracy theories will not change the fact that the Super Bowl champions are the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Now, I just hope my Viking's make the playoffs next year.
Now, I just hope my Viking's make the playoffs next year.
no way dude, niners all the way..
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Originally Posted by cazzy
What is even worse before they flagged him for blocking low is when the ref hit Hasselback's arm causing him to throw an interception to Ike Taylor. I think it is time to move on because all your conspiracy theories will not change the fact that the Super Bowl champions are the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Now, I just hope my Viking's make the playoffs next year.
Now, I just hope my Viking's make the playoffs next year.
Did he deserve a 15 yard penalty?
If yes, then explain why.
If no, then explain why the penalty was upheld by Pittsburgh's righteous and unbiased officiating crew.
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
I don't think it was a hold either. I saw the replay. So did Al and John. So did the other guys in the booth. Bogus call.
Reason? They were LOOKING for an excuse to flag Seattle, not Pittsburgh.
When did the flag come in, anyway? I don't remember seeing that part. Was the flag thrown after the completion or before?
Reason? They were LOOKING for an excuse to flag Seattle, not Pittsburgh.
When did the flag come in, anyway? I don't remember seeing that part. Was the flag thrown after the completion or before?
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
Can you offer a valid reason for flagging Hasselbeck on that play? Go on. I dare you.
Did he deserve a 15 yard penalty?
If yes, then explain why.
If no, then explain why the penalty was upheld by Pittsburgh's righteous and unbiased officiating crew.
Did he deserve a 15 yard penalty?
If yes, then explain why.
If no, then explain why the penalty was upheld by Pittsburgh's righteous and unbiased officiating crew.
#889
Originally Posted by Beoshingus
Can you offer a valid reason for flagging Hasselbeck on that play? Go on. I dare you.
Did he deserve a 15 yard penalty?
If yes, then explain why.
If no, then explain why the penalty was upheld by Pittsburgh's righteous and unbiased officiating crew.
Did he deserve a 15 yard penalty?
If yes, then explain why.
If no, then explain why the penalty was upheld by Pittsburgh's righteous and unbiased officiating crew.
Because it is a penalty! A bad one, but still a penalty. Your not allowed to go through a another player below the knees to tackle the ball carrier.
I don't think a flag should have been thrown, but it's on the books.
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That's strange...knowledgeable people on the board thinks it was a hold..but current and EX NFL players all agree it was a legal block....I guess it was a hold.
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
all of you who are saying that all the espn guys are saying it was a bad officiated game, they are also saying that jerramy stevens should not have talked pregame because he didn't back it up on the field.
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From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette...
Cowher the gambler
Cowher said that had Ben Roethlisberger not scored on third down from the
one near the end of the first half, he would have gone for the touchdown on
fourth-and-inches Sunday, trailing 3-0, with 1:55 left.
"You know what? Even if we don't get it in [we] get the ball to start the
second half. We were going to go for it. It was just a question of what play
we were going to call."
And, from the half-inch line, they would make the TD 99.5 times out of 100.
I'm glad he said that.
Cowher the gambler
Cowher said that had Ben Roethlisberger not scored on third down from the
one near the end of the first half, he would have gone for the touchdown on
fourth-and-inches Sunday, trailing 3-0, with 1:55 left.
"You know what? Even if we don't get it in [we] get the ball to start the
second half. We were going to go for it. It was just a question of what play
we were going to call."
And, from the half-inch line, they would make the TD 99.5 times out of 100.
I'm glad he said that.
#893
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Originally Posted by lowpost
You're right, Stevens shouldn't have said anything - but what he said didn't warrant the response form Porter. Like I said, Porter blew it all out of proportion.
That's Joey Porter.. He looks for a fight.. He has a history..
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I think it's funny how you don't hear seattle fans bitching about two (very makeable) missed field goals, or Hasselback's complete inability to find an open receiver downfield in the closing minutes, or their clock management throughout the game, or the dropped balls all over the place, or the two times (at least) that they caught balls out of bounds, both of which would have given them possesion near the goal line, or the record breaking TD run they gave up.
They don't talk about how seattle's 3rd down efficiency was horrible, or about pitt holding one of the leagues best offenses to ten points, or how the offensive line allowed 3 sacks, or how unprepared the receivers were because they couldn't adjust their routes for pittsburgh's blitzes.
No, it's all about the officials, on calls that, with the exception of the cut block after the interception, could have gone either way. I'm not even a steelers fan, and I think it's lame.
They don't talk about how seattle's 3rd down efficiency was horrible, or about pitt holding one of the leagues best offenses to ten points, or how the offensive line allowed 3 sacks, or how unprepared the receivers were because they couldn't adjust their routes for pittsburgh's blitzes.
No, it's all about the officials, on calls that, with the exception of the cut block after the interception, could have gone either way. I'm not even a steelers fan, and I think it's lame.
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Originally Posted by lowpost
That's strange...knowledgeable people on the board thinks it was a hold..but current and EX NFL players all agree it was a legal block....I guess it was a hold.
Who cares...GO VIKINGS~
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
I think it's funny how you don't hear seattle fans bitching about two (very makeable) missed field goals, or Hasselback's complete inability to find an open receiver downfield in the closing minutes, or their clock management throughout the game, or the dropped balls all over the place, or the two times (at least) that they caught balls out of bounds, both of which would have given them possesion near the goal line, or the record breaking TD run they gave up.
They don't talk about how seattle's 3rd down efficiency was horrible, or about pitt holding one of the leagues best offenses to ten points, or how the offensive line allowed 3 sacks, or how unprepared the receivers were because they couldn't adjust their routes for pittsburgh's blitzes.
No, it's all about the officials, on calls that, with the exception of the cut block after the interception, could have gone either way. I'm not even a steelers fan, and I think it's lame.
They don't talk about how seattle's 3rd down efficiency was horrible, or about pitt holding one of the leagues best offenses to ten points, or how the offensive line allowed 3 sacks, or how unprepared the receivers were because they couldn't adjust their routes for pittsburgh's blitzes.
No, it's all about the officials, on calls that, with the exception of the cut block after the interception, could have gone either way. I'm not even a steelers fan, and I think it's lame.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5311792
yes, the field goals woulda been nice. the catches would've probably won the game. oh wells.
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Originally Posted by cmark
i think this article sums it up for ya.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5311792
yes, the field goals woulda been nice. the catches would've probably won the game. oh wells.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5311792
yes, the field goals woulda been nice. the catches would've probably won the game. oh wells.
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#899
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Originally Posted by cmark
i think this article sums it up for ya.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5311792
yes, the field goals woulda been nice. the catches would've probably won the game. oh wells.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5311792
yes, the field goals woulda been nice. the catches would've probably won the game. oh wells.
#900
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THE FACTS:
Seattle got by the referees.
Stealers fanboys who can't admit that got by the evidence.
All football fans in the world except rabid Stealers fans got by the entire experience.
Tagliabue should have his butt in a sling over the officiating this season.
Stealers fanboys who can't admit that got by the evidence.
All football fans in the world except rabid Stealers fans got by the entire experience.
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How Pittsburgh won...
Actually, I just thought that was funny. People complaining about the officiating, while they may have some gripes, it was not the cause for the loss. The SB was one of the worst played games in years.
I personally didn't care either way, I was just hoping for my boxes to pay off. As a neutral fan, here's the way I see it....
The officials didn't give up 21 points but only score 10. Some bad calls, yeah (like why did Hasselbeck get penalized for that tackle? and the phantom hold), but also some good calls (Hasselback's fumble overturned, which would have put the game away much earlier then it was). OK, the offensive PI was questionable too, but Seattle got a FG out of it... so it only cost them 4 points... they lost by 11. Even that hold which called back the pass which was completed by the 5 yard line isn't a good argument... b/c who's to say they would have scored a TD? They may have just gotten a FG, or they may have gotten nothing. There's no solid evidence either way, so to argue that is silly.
Additionally, the officials did not miss two FGs or throw an INT inside the redzone while driving. They also didn't miss any tackles on Parker's 75 yard TD run, or bite on the end-around and get burned for a 45-yard TD pass (which BTW was the same exact play they ran against the Browns earlier in the season.... did Seattle watch any tapes to prepare??). They didn't make the TE (Jerramy Stevens) drop countless passes, several which would have been big gains or first downs. The officials didn't completely suck at clock management either... especially at the end of the game (c'mon, if you've ever played a game of Madden you know you go for the quick FG, then the onside and start chucking some hail mary's). Everything listed was all Seattle. So yeah, without question there were a few bad calls, one (the PI) may have taken some points off of the board, but the bottom line was that they could not finish their drives and they only scored 1 TD.
Now, I'm not saying Pittsburgh dominated that game b/c the stats will show otherwise, but they scored when they needed to and Seattle didn't. Did Seattle really lose that game? Not really... but they played just bad enough to not win it...
Actually, I just thought that was funny. People complaining about the officiating, while they may have some gripes, it was not the cause for the loss. The SB was one of the worst played games in years.
I personally didn't care either way, I was just hoping for my boxes to pay off. As a neutral fan, here's the way I see it....
The officials didn't give up 21 points but only score 10. Some bad calls, yeah (like why did Hasselbeck get penalized for that tackle? and the phantom hold), but also some good calls (Hasselback's fumble overturned, which would have put the game away much earlier then it was). OK, the offensive PI was questionable too, but Seattle got a FG out of it... so it only cost them 4 points... they lost by 11. Even that hold which called back the pass which was completed by the 5 yard line isn't a good argument... b/c who's to say they would have scored a TD? They may have just gotten a FG, or they may have gotten nothing. There's no solid evidence either way, so to argue that is silly.
Additionally, the officials did not miss two FGs or throw an INT inside the redzone while driving. They also didn't miss any tackles on Parker's 75 yard TD run, or bite on the end-around and get burned for a 45-yard TD pass (which BTW was the same exact play they ran against the Browns earlier in the season.... did Seattle watch any tapes to prepare??). They didn't make the TE (Jerramy Stevens) drop countless passes, several which would have been big gains or first downs. The officials didn't completely suck at clock management either... especially at the end of the game (c'mon, if you've ever played a game of Madden you know you go for the quick FG, then the onside and start chucking some hail mary's). Everything listed was all Seattle. So yeah, without question there were a few bad calls, one (the PI) may have taken some points off of the board, but the bottom line was that they could not finish their drives and they only scored 1 TD.
Now, I'm not saying Pittsburgh dominated that game b/c the stats will show otherwise, but they scored when they needed to and Seattle didn't. Did Seattle really lose that game? Not really... but they played just bad enough to not win it...
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http://www.officialforum.com/thread/24802
This forum is dedicated to officiating. Check out what they think of everything.
This forum is dedicated to officiating. Check out what they think of everything.
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Originally Posted by cazzy
http://www.officialforum.com/thread/24802
This forum is dedicated to officiating. Check out what they think of everything.
This forum is dedicated to officiating. Check out what they think of everything.
Need more proof... watch the Indy/Steelers game. It should have been out of reach, but a blown review on Pitts INT at the end of the game gave the Colts a chance they should not have had. Still, the Steelers did what they needed to do, kept Indy far enough out that the FG attempt was a long one, and in the end, they emerged victorious. So they got boned pretty bad, but still came out on top, b/c they did what they needed to do to win.
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
I don't care WHO you are - if you get burned on every call, if the referees overturn your big plays whenever they are made - it will take the heart out of ANYBODY. It's hard to play frustrated, and the Seahawks were being frustrated at EVERY turn. I think they held up remarkably well. People jump all over Jeramy Stevens for his bobbled catches, but remember that he made a spectacular catch at the one yard line - only to have it brought back on a trumped up holding call (and the person being "held" was offsides when the ball was snapped!) You try to play when you have that kind of stuff going against you and see if your frustration doesn't cause you to make mistakes. Football is a game of momentum, and the zebras did everything they could to stifle Seattle's momentum. People say that if Seattle had made their plays they might have won anyway - I say that if they had made their plays they would have had bigger and stupider calls made against them. Only a fool could ignore the bias.
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Originally Posted by cazzy
I hate to go back to this, but when you initially said something I was questioning how spectacular (as you called it) the catch was. After seeing the replay I got from the http I posted above, the catch seemed pretty routine to me. What is amazing is that he didn't drop it like he did the other routine passes. Maybe, that is why you thought it was spectacular.
#906
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Agreed, it was a fairly standard catch. Nothing special.
#907
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
meh..interesting, but no one will ever agree on all of the calls. The one fact remains that Seattle could not capitalize when they needed to, and they lost b/c of it. I've seen many games where there was bad officiating... but the team that it affected still won.
Need more proof... watch the Indy/Steelers game. It should have been out of reach, but a blown review on Pitts INT at the end of the game gave the Colts a chance they should not have had. Still, the Steelers did what they needed to do, kept Indy far enough out that the FG attempt was a long one, and in the end, they emerged victorious. So they got boned pretty bad, but still came out on top, b/c they did what they needed to do to win.
Need more proof... watch the Indy/Steelers game. It should have been out of reach, but a blown review on Pitts INT at the end of the game gave the Colts a chance they should not have had. Still, the Steelers did what they needed to do, kept Indy far enough out that the FG attempt was a long one, and in the end, they emerged victorious. So they got boned pretty bad, but still came out on top, b/c they did what they needed to do to win.
The Superbowl on the other hand was FULL of bad calls, and they all - every single one of them - went against Seattle. That only ever happens as a result of officiating bias. Period. Like I said before, they slipped and let their bias show too much with the personal foul on Hasselbeck for tackling the ball carrier. No excuse for that whatsoever if they had been calling a fair game. Psychologically, bad call after bad call took the edge off of Seattle. The intangibles of momentum were completely sapped by the continual badgering of the referees. Seattle outplayed Pittsburgh, period. They made mistakes. But Bill Leavy was much more instrumental in the Stealers' win than Hines Ward was.
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
The spectacular part of it was where it was located on the field and how important it was at that stage of the game. The refs agreed, and thus took it away.
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Originally Posted by cazzy
Where it was located makes it spectacular? A one handed grab is spectacular! A diving catch is spectacular! I guess don't get your view point on what you consider spectacular. Every pro tight end would have caught that ball, whether at the 1 or the 50 yard line. Contact was not made until he hit the ground...cause we all know he would have dropped the ball if contact came sooner.
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
There were lots of weird things in that game, too, but you're talking about one bad call. It was a very bad call. But it was not part of a 60 minute succession of one-sided calls against Pittsburgh. And it DIDN'T cost them the game. If it had, I guarantee the Pittsburgh fans would have been complaining about it (Porter sure did!), and rightfully so. I'd have joined in with them.
The Superbowl on the other hand was FULL of bad calls, and they all - every single one of them - went against Seattle. That only ever happens as a result of officiating bias. Period. Like I said before, they slipped and let their bias show too much with the personal foul on Hasselbeck for tackling the ball carrier. No excuse for that whatsoever if they had been calling a fair game. Psychologically, bad call after bad call took the edge off of Seattle. The intangibles of momentum were completely sapped by the continual badgering of the referees. Seattle outplayed Pittsburgh, period. They made mistakes. But Bill Leavy was much more instrumental in the Stealers' win than Hines Ward was.
The Superbowl on the other hand was FULL of bad calls, and they all - every single one of them - went against Seattle. That only ever happens as a result of officiating bias. Period. Like I said before, they slipped and let their bias show too much with the personal foul on Hasselbeck for tackling the ball carrier. No excuse for that whatsoever if they had been calling a fair game. Psychologically, bad call after bad call took the edge off of Seattle. The intangibles of momentum were completely sapped by the continual badgering of the referees. Seattle outplayed Pittsburgh, period. They made mistakes. But Bill Leavy was much more instrumental in the Stealers' win than Hines Ward was.
Because it is a penalty! A bad one, but still a penalty. Your not allowed to go through a another player below the knees to tackle the ball carrier.
I don't think a flag should have been thrown, but it's on the books.
If you watch the replay again, he dove at the ball carrier through a blocker.
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I think that the officials made a lot of bad calls, but you can't solely blame them. Seattle played pretty poorly and missed some crucial opportunities. If that pass interference wasn't called, Seatle would have been down a touchdown. It would have made a uterly boring game a bit exciting. Hopefully next year we will have a exciting game to watch. Better yet, lets see the Bears in the Superbowl.
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Originally Posted by WdnUlik2no
no way dude, niners all the way..
They're at least a couple of years away, if not more.