Anybody seen or know a more solid release date for Type S?
#41
Burning Brakes
People are paying $600-$800 per month to lease a Base 2021 TLX. The Type S is going to cost people close to $1000 a month to lease and I will LMAO at people paying it only to get their doors blown off by every other competitor in the market.
Ok so you get a base TLX because you want comfort and don’t care about performance . However the only reason to spend more for a TLX (Type-S) is because you’re into performance right? If that’s the case who in their right mind will spend over 60k for less performance than every car it competes against!?!?!?
Ok so you get a base TLX because you want comfort and don’t care about performance . However the only reason to spend more for a TLX (Type-S) is because you’re into performance right? If that’s the case who in their right mind will spend over 60k for less performance than every car it competes against!?!?!?
Personally, I was looking for a more permanent solution ... FINANCING and BUYING a nice new sedan around $45k (which is $50k out the door). Plan to keep it 6-8 years or at least until it is paid off.
For me, I don't see how TLX-Type-S is worth waiting for because it sounds like we will have to settle for performance over creature comforts. I just can't bring myself to spend $55k on a sedan without HUD, Power-Folding-Mirrors, Surround-Cameras, etc. when the other sports sedans in this high-segment have them. It's not THAT pretty or estimated to be that fast either.
#42
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"Paying to Lease" is an accurate description (ie, not Buying). Other than one or two here, sounds like most new TLX-2.0T owners are just Acura Lessees moving to their next TLX that they will drive for a few years and then give back.
Personally, I was looking for a more permanent solution ... FINANCING and BUYING a nice new sedan around $45k (which is $50k out the door). Plan to keep it 6-8 years or at least until it is paid off.
For me, I don't see how TLX-Type-S is worth waiting for because it sounds like we will have to settle for performance over creature comforts. I just can't bring myself to spend $55k on a sedan without HUD, Power-Folding-Mirrors, Surround-Cameras, etc. when the other sports sedans in this high-segment have them. It's not THAT pretty or estimated to be that fast either.
Personally, I was looking for a more permanent solution ... FINANCING and BUYING a nice new sedan around $45k (which is $50k out the door). Plan to keep it 6-8 years or at least until it is paid off.
For me, I don't see how TLX-Type-S is worth waiting for because it sounds like we will have to settle for performance over creature comforts. I just can't bring myself to spend $55k on a sedan without HUD, Power-Folding-Mirrors, Surround-Cameras, etc. when the other sports sedans in this high-segment have them. It's not THAT pretty or estimated to be that fast either.
My 2019 X3 M40i was slightly used with CPO warranty, I paid right under 50K out of the door. It's a fully optioned vehicle and I wouldn't pay nearly 50K if it wasn't up to my standards of what a 50K vehicle is / should have. I'm almost certain it's quicker than the Type-s, have a better ride quality, can drive itself (as long as your hands are on the wheel), can park itself, sounds incredible, lots of aftermarket support, more options than the advance TLX.. The TLX-S is one of those vehicles which is hard to justify the cost. Now the new MDX is what I would consider the right type of vehicle for the money. It's like the TLX team was on another planet while the MDX team focused on the competition.
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People are paying $600-$800 per month to lease a Base 2021 TLX. The Type S is going to cost people close to $1000 a month to lease and I will LMAO at people paying it only to get their doors blown off by every other competitor in the market.
Ok so you get a base TLX because you want comfort and don’t care about performance . However the only reason to spend more for a TLX is because you’re into performance right? If that’s the case who in their right mind will spend over 60k for less performance than every car it competes against!?!?!?
Ok so you get a base TLX because you want comfort and don’t care about performance . However the only reason to spend more for a TLX is because you’re into performance right? If that’s the case who in their right mind will spend over 60k for less performance than every car it competes against!?!?!?
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#44
Burning Brakes
Yeah somebody on here already got the TLX and his payments are over $600 a month and his money factor is crazy high. Then another guy got quoted over $800 a month Smh. There’s no reason I would pick a slow TLX over an M340i . In fact there is nothing you can’t get in that range better than this TLX it’s not even the Type S!
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#45
Just have to wait for the prices to come down once all the suckers fans buy theirs at sticker. Given that sedans in general see massive discounts compared to crossovers, I’d expect there to be very generous discounts on the TLX sooner than later, especially since even the RDX is seeing huge discounts right now. Given that trim for trim they’re basically the same price sticker wise, I can’t imagine that many people would be willing to pay 20% more for the TLX over the equivalent RDX.
#46
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LOL yeah I’m on my way to BMW currently. I look at my build status daily. It’s making me crazy . It’s been in the production status for 2 days now.
Yeah somebody on here already got the TLX and his payments are over $600 a month and his money factor is crazy high. Then another guy got quoted over $800 a month Smh. There’s no reason I would pick a slow TLX over an M340i . In fact there is nothing you can’t get in that range better than this TLX it’s not even the Type S!
Yeah somebody on here already got the TLX and his payments are over $600 a month and his money factor is crazy high. Then another guy got quoted over $800 a month Smh. There’s no reason I would pick a slow TLX over an M340i . In fact there is nothing you can’t get in that range better than this TLX it’s not even the Type S!
Park ave BMW 2021 M340 Xdrive lease offer. $629 /month
- $1,500 Lease Credit
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#47
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Just have to wait for the prices to come down once all the suckers fans buy theirs at sticker. Given that sedans in general see massive discounts compared to crossovers, I’d expect there to be very generous discounts on the TLX sooner than later, especially since even the RDX is seeing huge discounts right now. Given that trim for trim they’re basically the same price sticker wise, I can’t imagine that many people would be willing to pay 20% more for the TLX over the equivalent RDX.
#48
The problem is the more "fans" that buy the car at these ridiculous prices the longer it will take for them to drop. But yes overall I agree with you and as inventory piles up there won't be much choice (unless they slow/halt production, which they may pull under the circumstances).
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#49
I don't know how some of you rationalize that monthly payment as a good deal, then pay rent or mortgage, credit cards, student loans, cell and internet service, food, utilities, etc. I'm not judging, just astonished.
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#51
Burning Brakes
What's funny, I had 3 members reach out to me (PM) asking about my BMW and if they should get the M340i. I kid you not, all 3 were offered the same if not less for a lease deal on the M340i vs the TLX advance. The one lease offer was for a nearly loaded M340i. I can't imagine other dealerships not offering the same type of lease deal since it's coming from BMW Corporate. Once you experience that B58 engine, you will want the vehicle.
Park ave BMW 2021 M340 Xdrive lease offer. $629 /month
Park ave BMW 2021 M340 Xdrive lease offer. $629 /month
- $1,500 Lease Credit
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#52
Sometimes, the heart wants what the heart wants. Someone recently paid $65K for a low mileage ITR after all.
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Do BMWs lease really well or does Acura lease poorly? I know nothing about leasing has it never interested me, but that’s astonishing that an M340i can be leased around the same as a TLX. I see guys leasing well equipped M3/M4’s for about $1,000/mo. The main detractor from the German’s is their perceived long-term reliability. That’s gone with leasing. How do they lease so well compared to Acura?? Or are people just getting raked over the coals with this new TLX?
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#57
Burning Brakes
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#58
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I get where you're coming from. My wife and I do our evening walks and notice many young individuals driving 80-100K+ vehicles. Early 20's or so. I always made the comment of "how's that possible". You never know what that persons situation is.
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#59
Agreed. I have contact with a lot of people who live in extravagant houses and drive expensive cars, yet claim dire straights if or when they have to pay for something out of pocket or that exceeds their insurance deductible. Smacks of living outside your means if your disposable income is that tight after such expenses.
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#61
Software engineers make serious bank. At a FANG company, total comp for just one is easily 400K after a few years of work experience. New college grads are getting at least $250K a year in total comp. A DINK couple can be sniffing close to $1M in combined annual income by the time they hit 30.
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#62
Burning Brakes
If they are young, my guess would be that the cars likely belong to their parents. Easy to borrow since they live at home with them. Either that or they are "gift" from their parents that are bank-rolling the life-style that they are used to and entitled to.
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#63
Burning Brakes
You really never know peoples situations. Some of those people who “look” young could be in their 30s and making mid six figures. Especially in my area the SF Bay Area, lots of young tech people making $300-$500k . When you’re making $30-$40k a month a car payment isn’t really anything.
#64
Do BMWs lease really well or does Acura lease poorly? I know nothing about leasing has it never interested me, but that’s astonishing that an M340i can be leased around the same as a TLX. I see guys leasing well equipped M3/M4’s for about $1,000/mo. The main detractor from the German’s is their perceived long-term reliability. That’s gone with leasing. How do they lease so well compared to Acura?? Or are people just getting raked over the coals with this new TLX?
In comparison, the RV from Acura seems to be consistently in the low 50% range. Acura has been doing ok with non-competitive lease, because most people don't lease an Acura. And the price ifference is usually not as bad as what you are seeing now with TLX.
Just realized that this thread has been getting off topic, so let me just say that I hope Acura learn from BMW and offer better RV for Type-S. Maybe someone can check the lease on CTR to see if that is a possibility.
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#65
Where have you read that even the Type-S won't have an around view camera? That's a deal breaker for me. I can live without the power folding side mirrors and heads up display but around view cameras have been on cars for almost 10 model years now and are even sold on 35K Mazdas. That's would be extremely disappointing and would stop me from trading in my 2018 TLX Type-S for it. If that's the case I'll probably just get an Audi S5 Sportback.
"Paying to Lease" is an accurate description (ie, not Buying). Other than one or two here, sounds like most new TLX-2.0T owners are just Acura Lessees moving to their next TLX that they will drive for a few years and then give back.
Personally, I was looking for a more permanent solution ... FINANCING and BUYING a nice new sedan around $45k (which is $50k out the door). Plan to keep it 6-8 years or at least until it is paid off.
For me, I don't see how TLX-Type-S is worth waiting for because it sounds like we will have to settle for performance over creature comforts. I just can't bring myself to spend $55k on a sedan without HUD, Power-Folding-Mirrors, Surround-Cameras, etc. when the other sports sedans in this high-segment have them. It's not THAT pretty or estimated to be that fast either.
Personally, I was looking for a more permanent solution ... FINANCING and BUYING a nice new sedan around $45k (which is $50k out the door). Plan to keep it 6-8 years or at least until it is paid off.
For me, I don't see how TLX-Type-S is worth waiting for because it sounds like we will have to settle for performance over creature comforts. I just can't bring myself to spend $55k on a sedan without HUD, Power-Folding-Mirrors, Surround-Cameras, etc. when the other sports sedans in this high-segment have them. It's not THAT pretty or estimated to be that fast either.
#66
Burning Brakes
1. Where have you read that even the Type-S won't have an around view camera? That's a deal breaker for me. I can live without the power folding side mirrors and heads up display but around view cameras have That's would be extremely disappointing and would stop me from trading in my 2018 TLX Type-S for it. If that's the case I'll probably just get an Audi S5 Sportback.
2. been on cars for almost 10 model years now and are even sold on 35K Mazdas.
2. been on cars for almost 10 model years now and are even sold on 35K Mazdas.
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...late-september
I'm not sure, but I think it's because it is not planned to have Power-Folding Mirrors either, and those advanced mirrors are the only ones with the hidden surround cameras.
2. Exactly. So, we are again buying a new car and still don't get it? That's the only reason I start considering Audi and others ... just being realistic.
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#67
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Software engineers make serious bank. At a FANG company, total comp for just one is easily 400K after a few years of work experience. New college grads are getting at least $250K a year in total comp. A DINK couple can be sniffing close to $1M in combined annual income by the time they hit 30.
A couple former colleagues are at Facebook (one has already left), they are senior staff (with 25-30 years of experience) and were at ~$250k not including options.
The extremely important thing of stock options are the strike price, and what the company offers them at whether they're ISO or NQ stock options.
#68
Not that high, vast majority of new college S/W engineers total compensation (not including healthcare cost) is $100-$150k. My youngest daughter graduated RIT last year and heard what many of classmates were getting.
A couple former colleagues are at Facebook (one has already left), they are senior staff (with 25-30 years of experience) and were at ~$250k not including options.
The extremely important thing of stock options are the strike price, and what the company offers them at whether they're ISO or NQ stock options.
A couple former colleagues are at Facebook (one has already left), they are senior staff (with 25-30 years of experience) and were at ~$250k not including options.
The extremely important thing of stock options are the strike price, and what the company offers them at whether they're ISO or NQ stock options.
And yes, NCG comp at FANG companies are that high (keyword, FANG). I have plenty of engineers on my team that were making that fresh out of school. For a relatively average eng, you can expect about $130K in base comp, 20% annual bonus, an initial grant of $200K vested over 4 years, and an annual refresher of about $100K vested over 4 years. 130 + 26 + 200/4 + 100 is well over 300K and that's before you factor in other stuff like 401k matching, various perks like free gym, all sorts of reimbursements, etc.
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#69
AZ Community Team
Agreed. I have contact with a lot of people who live in extravagant houses and drive expensive cars, yet claim dire straights if or when they have to pay for something out of pocket or that exceeds their insurance deductible. Smacks of living outside your means if your disposable income is that tight after such expenses.
#70
AZ Community Team
They do both, depends where you work. Both colleagues at FB got ISO SO, one of which never vested when he left for another startup. I've had stock options at four companies (NV and ISO). A former colleague at Microchip told me how they went from SO to RSU, there's pro's and con's to both.
#71
They do both, depends where you work. Both colleagues at FB got ISO SO, one of which never vested when he left for another startup. I've had stock options at four companies (NV and ISO). A former colleague at Microchip told me how they went from SO to RSU, there's pro's and con's to both.
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#72
AZ Community Team
FYI they don't get stock options, most of the big tech companies offer RSUs. No need to worry about a strike price, it's literally shares being granted to you as soon as they vest.
And yes, NCG comp at FANG companies are that high (keyword, FANG). I have plenty of engineers on my team that were making that fresh out of school. For a relatively average eng, you can expect about $130K in base comp, 20% annual bonus, an initial grant of $200K vested over 4 years, and an annual refresher of about $100K vested over 4 years. 130 + 26 + 200/4 + 100 is well over 300K and that's before you factor in other stuff like 401k matching, various perks like free gym, all sorts of reimbursements, etc.
And yes, NCG comp at FANG companies are that high (keyword, FANG). I have plenty of engineers on my team that were making that fresh out of school. For a relatively average eng, you can expect about $130K in base comp, 20% annual bonus, an initial grant of $200K vested over 4 years, and an annual refresher of about $100K vested over 4 years. 130 + 26 + 200/4 + 100 is well over 300K and that's before you factor in other stuff like 401k matching, various perks like free gym, all sorts of reimbursements, etc.
and I know people who work at Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Cisco, Google, Intel and other tech firms. Alot of information is fairly restricted
I had a Google job offer in 2010, as a senior OTN/SDN engineer it was a good offer but it was also Palo Alto so COL is also a factor and Google expect ALOT of work out of their employees.
The one company I can truly say does pay very well is cyber engineering Splunk who had a median salary of $256k in 2018. Another former colleague is there and love the company and work environment.
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/...splk-intc.html
Cyber is a very good place to work in, I highly recommend it.
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#73
AZ Community Team
I was referring to FB since that's the example you brought up. Do they still do ISO? Every FB employee I know has been getting RSU's for the past 5 years. Regardless, equity is equity, and the value of said equity is worth quite a bit even if it can't be exercised just yet.
In terms of Facebook, both said ISO in the early to mid 2010's. Both were senior staff member and SME's.
Although I just checked and some random SO site said FB went to RSU in 2007.
https://mystockoptions.typepad.com/b...t-reveals.html
#74
I don't believe you because you frequently post alot of and information on these forums.
and I know people who work at Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Cisco, Google, Intel and other tech firms. Alot of information is fairly restricted so again I think you're just rambling away with numbers and
I had a Google job offer in 2010, as a senior OTN/SDN engineer it was a good offer but it was also Palo Alto so COL is also a factor and Google expect ALOT of work out of their employees.
The one company I can truly say does pay very well is cyber engineering Splunk who had a median salary of $256k in 2018. Another former colleague is there and love the company and work environment.
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/...splk-intc.html
Cyber is a very good place to work in.
and I know people who work at Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Cisco, Google, Intel and other tech firms. Alot of information is fairly restricted so again I think you're just rambling away with numbers and
I had a Google job offer in 2010, as a senior OTN/SDN engineer it was a good offer but it was also Palo Alto so COL is also a factor and Google expect ALOT of work out of their employees.
The one company I can truly say does pay very well is cyber engineering Splunk who had a median salary of $256k in 2018. Another former colleague is there and love the company and work environment.
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/...splk-intc.html
Cyber is a very good place to work in.
https://www.levels.fyi/company/Faceb...e-Engineer/E3/
https://www.levels.fyi/company/Googl...e-Engineer/L3/
Keep in mind these numbers don't even include the initial stock grant from the sign-on, and they divide the refreshers by 1/4 (which doesn't make much sense to do because by year 4, you'll be vest 4 of those quarter grants which makes for 1 entire refresher grant)
I call BS on you because if you actually knew people at these places, you'd know what they're making and what competitive offers look like. Compensation information is very much in the open thanks to things like levels.fyi or glassdoor or blind, or even your own experience. I take it you've never gotten an offer from these type of companies, or work at one and have access to compensation information of your reports? Want me to share my offer letters from these companies that I've gotten over the last decade? Actually, probably a waste of time, you'll just say it's BS because it doesn't line up with your view of things.
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#75
It's also the amount, Microchip didn't give out as many RSU and SO so gotta consider the whole senario.
In terms of Facebook, both said ISO in the early to mid 2010's. Both were senior staff member and SME's.
Although I just checked and some random SO site said FB went to RSU in 2007.
https://mystockoptions.typepad.com/b...t-reveals.html
In terms of Facebook, both said ISO in the early to mid 2010's. Both were senior staff member and SME's.
Although I just checked and some random SO site said FB went to RSU in 2007.
https://mystockoptions.typepad.com/b...t-reveals.html
#76
AZ Community Team
Software engineers make serious bank. At a FANG company, total comp for just one is easily 400K after a few years of work experience. New college grads are getting at least $250K a year in total comp. A DINK couple can be sniffing close to $1M in combined annual income by the time they hit 30.
I don't really care if you believe me or not, but here's some actual data for other people who do actually want to know.
https://www.levels.fyi/company/Faceb...e-Engineer/E3/
https://www.levels.fyi/company/Googl...e-Engineer/L3/
Keep in mind these numbers don't even include the initial stock grant from the sign-on, and they divide the refreshers by 1/4 (which doesn't make much sense to do because by year 4, you'll be vest 4 of those quarter grants which makes for 1 entire refresher grant)
I call BS on you because if you actually knew people at these places, you'd know what they're making and what competitive offers look like. Compensation information is very much in the open thanks to things like levels.fyi or glassdoor or blind, or even your own experience. I take it you've never gotten an offer from these type of companies, or work at one and have access to compensation information of your reports? Want me to share my offer letters from these companies that I've gotten over the last decade? Actually, probably a waste of time, you'll just say it's BS because it doesn't line up with your view of things.
https://www.levels.fyi/company/Faceb...e-Engineer/E3/
https://www.levels.fyi/company/Googl...e-Engineer/L3/
Keep in mind these numbers don't even include the initial stock grant from the sign-on, and they divide the refreshers by 1/4 (which doesn't make much sense to do because by year 4, you'll be vest 4 of those quarter grants which makes for 1 entire refresher grant)
I call BS on you because if you actually knew people at these places, you'd know what they're making and what competitive offers look like. Compensation information is very much in the open thanks to things like levels.fyi or glassdoor or blind, or even your own experience. I take it you've never gotten an offer from these type of companies, or work at one and have access to compensation information of your reports? Want me to share my offer letters from these companies that I've gotten over the last decade? Actually, probably a waste of time, you'll just say it's BS because it doesn't line up with your view of things.
Facebook Average Total Compensation $178,208
Google Average Total Compensation $188,271
this is why I call on you. Your own linked data shows you're wrong.
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#77
Yet the website you listed shows this to be off by ~$72k.
From your link, https://www.levels.fyi/company/Faceb...e-Engineer/E3/
Facebook Average Total Compensation $178,208
Google Average Total Compensation $188,271
this is why I call on you. Your own linked data shows you're wrong.
From your link, https://www.levels.fyi/company/Faceb...e-Engineer/E3/
Facebook Average Total Compensation $178,208
Google Average Total Compensation $188,271
this is why I call on you. Your own linked data shows you're wrong.
I said:
Keep in mind these numbers don't even include the initial stock grant from the sign-on, and they divide the refreshers by 1/4 (which doesn't make much sense to do because by year 4, you'll be vest 4 of those quarter grants which makes for 1 entire refresher grant)
Who's spouting out BS now?
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#78
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#79
Just admit it, you can't fathom that you're not making that kind of money, and are just telling yourself that it's not real and not what people are getting. And that's fine, tell yourself whatever you want to help you sleep better at night, but that doesn't make it any less real.
#80
Frankly they can't afford to have a bad work-life balance because there are other companies willing to pay just as much with good conditions. Anyone who says it's too hard there is either on a bad team, or probably not cut out to be there much longer. You have two former colleagues that you pulled information from...I have two dozen that are currently at Facebook, not even counting those who used to work there.
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