0-60 & 1/4 mile times
09-09-2020, 07:57 AM
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Anyway, Infiniti is not at their best. We wish them good luck.
Time to wait for the TLX, TLX Type S and MDX and MDX Type S!
RDX is already a huge success and even during this pandemic is selling 5K units
Let's go Acura!
Time to wait for the TLX, TLX Type S and MDX and MDX Type S!
RDX is already a huge success and even during this pandemic is selling 5K units
Let's go Acura!
09-09-2020, 08:18 AM
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LOL.
You're not wacist.... you're stating facts. Same here bruh. I see Infinitis parked next to beater Impalas in ghetto neighborhoods all of the time.
Oh, and of course, the beat up 2005 G35 with broken bumpers I see at the wash like clockwork.
It seems to be the same with newer Infinitis too. Lots of new buyers that appear to be upside down in debt.
I work at a tunnel carwash, I know every car's demographic.
The stupidest drivers always drive Nissan Versas. #Facts
You're not wacist.... you're stating facts. Same here bruh. I see Infinitis parked next to beater Impalas in ghetto neighborhoods all of the time.
Oh, and of course, the beat up 2005 G35 with broken bumpers I see at the wash like clockwork.
It seems to be the same with newer Infinitis too. Lots of new buyers that appear to be upside down in debt.
I work at a tunnel carwash, I know every car's demographic.
The stupidest drivers always drive Nissan Versas. #Facts
Nissan Altima with the 4 cylinder engine.
09-10-2020, 07:08 PM
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I'm just wondering why the Audi 2.0 A4 quattro can do in like 5.2.Anyway, the 5.7 isn't bad, but it's about what the accord 2.0 does it in. Wouldn't it be a shame for Acura to have the TLX not out performing one of it's mainstream cars ? I'm not saying your wrong. But wouldn't you find it really odd if it didn't beat the accord in acceleration ? I mean god, your paying 10k more for it.
And I'm not sure if the Acura's version of an "ideal" TLX customer would compare to the Accord. They might be strictly looking at how the TLX is against the A4, 3 Series, ATS, Q50, IS, C Class, etc. If a person is comparing to an Accord, then it's likely that person is more budget-conscious and will likely buy the Accord instead, no point of trying to convince that person to buy the TLX. It's very likely such person is more about specs and features, rather than how the car drives, how the car rides, how the car feels inside, what the materials are like, what's the quality is like, etc. And that's perfectly understandable too since most people are buying the Accord instead of the TLX (20000 units sold a month for the Accord vs 2000 units for the TLX).
I agree that 0-60mph sells cars though, even though in the real world, I don't think that's as important as the 1/4 mile trap speed, 5-60mph, and actual throttle response and transmission response.
09-10-2020, 08:40 PM
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Has Acura actually released performance figures for the TLX 2.0T? Surely it’s time to make this info public given the car is just a couple of weeks away from being flogged at your local dealership.
Strange, considering they’re a performance oriented brand.
Strange, considering they’re a performance oriented brand.
09-11-2020, 01:39 AM
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I can't find it anymore, but I read somewhere on here that their local dealership got two TLXs in to prep for media reviews. So, hopefully the specs/test results get released in the next few weeks.
09-11-2020, 02:54 AM
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Independent third party testing is great and all, but surely Acura itself can publish their own data by now. I mean, we learned about the C8 Corvette’s 0-60 time almost a year before the car became available for delivery.
09-11-2020, 07:29 AM
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Somewhere I read that the predicted 0-60 time for the base TLX 2.0 was over 6 seconds.With the 2.0 base German cars that it's competing with, all doing it in the low to mid 5's. I will be shocked and sad, if it's not able to match those numbers. Please Acura don't disappoint me
09-11-2020, 08:21 AM
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The A4 has a launch control system. I don't think Acura has that. Acura generally don't even allow brake torquing to be done. Without these, there's just no way to build up turbo boost and rev's for a strong, hard launch.
And I'm not sure if the Acura's version of an "ideal" TLX customer would compare to the Accord. They might be strictly looking at how the TLX is against the A4, 3 Series, ATS, Q50, IS, C Class, etc. If a person is comparing to an Accord, then it's likely that person is more budget-conscious and will likely buy the Accord instead, no point of trying to convince that person to buy the TLX. It's very likely such person is more about specs and features, rather than how the car drives, how the car rides, how the car feels inside, what the materials are like, what's the quality is like, etc. And that's perfectly understandable too since most people are buying the Accord instead of the TLX (20000 units sold a month for the Accord vs 2000 units for the TLX).
I agree that 0-60mph sells cars though, even though in the real world, I don't think that's as important as the 1/4 mile trap speed, 5-60mph, and actual throttle response and transmission response.
And I'm not sure if the Acura's version of an "ideal" TLX customer would compare to the Accord. They might be strictly looking at how the TLX is against the A4, 3 Series, ATS, Q50, IS, C Class, etc. If a person is comparing to an Accord, then it's likely that person is more budget-conscious and will likely buy the Accord instead, no point of trying to convince that person to buy the TLX. It's very likely such person is more about specs and features, rather than how the car drives, how the car rides, how the car feels inside, what the materials are like, what's the quality is like, etc. And that's perfectly understandable too since most people are buying the Accord instead of the TLX (20000 units sold a month for the Accord vs 2000 units for the TLX).
I agree that 0-60mph sells cars though, even though in the real world, I don't think that's as important as the 1/4 mile trap speed, 5-60mph, and actual throttle response and transmission response.
If the Type-S is capable of low 5s in the 5-60, I'll be very strongly considering it. Otherwise, there might be other brands/ options to look at. I do think with the power/ weight/ AWD it will be capable of a 5.2 or 5.3 5-60.
09-11-2020, 08:43 AM
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This - 5-60 is the most important metric of how quickly you can actually get off the line in 95% of instances during regular driving. This means torque and power to the wheels. All the wheels.
If the Type-S is capable of low 5s in the 5-60, I'll be very strongly considering it. Otherwise, there might be other brands/ options to look at. I do think with the power/ weight/ AWD it will be capable of a 5.2 or 5.3 5-60.
If the Type-S is capable of low 5s in the 5-60, I'll be very strongly considering it. Otherwise, there might be other brands/ options to look at. I do think with the power/ weight/ AWD it will be capable of a 5.2 or 5.3 5-60.
09-11-2020, 08:55 AM
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I am just wondering how many people will buy the TLX to do all the 0-60 hahah!
Let's be honest to ourselves and no matter how enthusiasts we are, no one buy these cars to go on the track and race 0-60 on the weekend. The percentage of those buyers are less than 5%. Whoever buys an A4, 3 series, C Class, TLX, IS or Q50 just want to have a car that feels good, drives/handles well and of course has some power to push time to time. Mosy of us lives in this major materopolitine areas where the driving is 40KM/HR when we are going or coming from work.
If you are into racing and real sport cars, then you will buy a Golf R or Civic Type R and Mod it to the max or or if you have money then you will get a RS5 or E63S. No one buys a TLX to race with it,
Let's be honest to ourselves and no matter how enthusiasts we are, no one buy these cars to go on the track and race 0-60 on the weekend. The percentage of those buyers are less than 5%. Whoever buys an A4, 3 series, C Class, TLX, IS or Q50 just want to have a car that feels good, drives/handles well and of course has some power to push time to time. Mosy of us lives in this major materopolitine areas where the driving is 40KM/HR when we are going or coming from work.
If you are into racing and real sport cars, then you will buy a Golf R or Civic Type R and Mod it to the max or or if you have money then you will get a RS5 or E63S. No one buys a TLX to race with it,
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09-11-2020, 09:12 AM
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You have it backwards. AWD doesn’t offer much advantages (if any) for the 5-60 times, just 0-60. In fact, most cars (especially turbocharged) with AWD have a much larger difference in the 0-60 and 5-60 times. Case in point, the STi has a sub-5 0-60 get its 5-60 is 7 seconds.
Nonetheless, I still prefer a car with lots of torque that has the power available at low RPMs for a quicker off-the-line sprint.
09-11-2020, 09:48 AM
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And yet almost all of Acura's TLX ads feature some form of racing element. The more you market it, the more people will try. Not racing, but at least spirited driving. Which the A4 does very well if you want to have a bit of fun on highway.
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09-11-2020, 10:13 AM
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I am just wondering how many people will buy the TLX to do all the 0-60 hahah!
Let's be honest to ourselves and no matter how enthusiasts we are, no one buy these cars to go on the track and race 0-60 on the weekend. The percentage of those buyers are less than 5%. Whoever buys an A4, 3 series, C Class, TLX, IS or Q50 just want to have a car that feels good, drives/handles well and of course has some power to push time to time. Mosy of us lives in this major materopolitine areas where the driving is 40KM/HR when we are going or coming from work.
If you are into racing and real sport cars, then you will buy a Golf R or Civic Type R and Mod it to the max or or if you have money then you will get a RS5 or E63S. No one buys a TLX to race with it,
Let's be honest to ourselves and no matter how enthusiasts we are, no one buy these cars to go on the track and race 0-60 on the weekend. The percentage of those buyers are less than 5%. Whoever buys an A4, 3 series, C Class, TLX, IS or Q50 just want to have a car that feels good, drives/handles well and of course has some power to push time to time. Mosy of us lives in this major materopolitine areas where the driving is 40KM/HR when we are going or coming from work.
If you are into racing and real sport cars, then you will buy a Golf R or Civic Type R and Mod it to the max or or if you have money then you will get a RS5 or E63S. No one buys a TLX to race with it,
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09-11-2020, 10:25 AM
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But that doesn’t explain why Acura is afraid to publish their own performance data for their sports sedan this close to launch. All I keep getting in my emails are heavy handed push strategies trying to get me to buy the new performance oriented TLX but offering zero info about its performance capabilities.
09-11-2020, 10:33 AM
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But that doesn’t explain why Acura is afraid to publish their own performance data for their sports sedan this close to launch. All I keep getting in my emails are heavy handed push strategies trying to get me to buy the new performance oriented TLX but offering zero info about its performance capabilities.
But i am totally with you, Acura is disappointing by not revealing any info, no reviews and yet the car is coming in 2 weeks.
09-11-2020, 10:56 AM
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You have it backwards. AWD doesn’t offer much advantages (if any) for the 5-60 times, just 0-60. In fact, most cars (especially turbocharged) with AWD have a much larger difference in the 0-60 and 5-60 times. Case in point, the STi has a sub-5 0-60 get its 5-60 is 7 seconds.
Just for comparison, there is a 0.9 to 1.0s discrepancy for the S4, C43 AMG, and M340i. Which means in the real world, the TLX Type S should accelerate about the same.
Since were on the topic of 5-60, it's also worth noting some of the biggest discrepancies come from the Germans. An Audi S5 Sportback does 0-60 in 4.3s, but 5-60 in 5.8s, which is the same as a G1 TLX V6 FWD. A BMW X2 M35i does 0-60 in 4.5s, but 5-60 takes 6.4s, which is 0.5s slower than an Accord.
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09-11-2020, 11:11 AM
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Sorry, I'm not a race-car driver so can you please explain what that even means ?
How can a rolling-start be slower ?
Don't you still get to use any available Launch Controls or driver-race-skills ?
How can a rolling-start be slower ?
Don't you still get to use any available Launch Controls or driver-race-skills ?
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09-11-2020, 11:15 AM
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09-11-2020, 11:23 AM
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In the real world, 5-60 is much more relevant than 0-60 unless you make a habit of using launch control or do some serious brake torquing at stoplights. Most of us just mat the pedal when the light turns green (or when we want to accelerate), and 5-60 is much more indicative of what we should expect in those situations.
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09-11-2020, 11:25 AM
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Other the other hand, 5-60 launches is basically how you'd accelerate from a stop in day-to-day driving. Right foot on brake, then right foot on gas. It's a more realistic measurement of acceleration and highlights the effects of turbo lag. That's why a FWD V6 G1 TLX is just as quick as a 3.0T AWD Audi S5 Sportback.
09-11-2020, 11:27 AM
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Agreed. With that said, there's only a 0.4s discrepancy between the RDX's 0-60 and 5-60 times, which is quite good for a turbo AWD and a good sign for the new TLX.
Just for comparison, there is a 0.9 to 1.0s discrepancy for the S4, C43 AMG, and M340i. Which means in the real world, the TLX Type S should accelerate about the same.
Since were on the topic of 5-60, it's also worth noting some of the biggest discrepancies come from the Germans. An Audi S5 Sportback does 0-60 in 4.3s, but 5-60 in 5.8s, which is the same as a G1 TLX V6 FWD. A BMW X2 M35i does 0-60 in 4.5s, but 5-60 takes 6.4s, which is 0.5s slower than an Accord.
Just for comparison, there is a 0.9 to 1.0s discrepancy for the S4, C43 AMG, and M340i. Which means in the real world, the TLX Type S should accelerate about the same.
Since were on the topic of 5-60, it's also worth noting some of the biggest discrepancies come from the Germans. An Audi S5 Sportback does 0-60 in 4.3s, but 5-60 in 5.8s, which is the same as a G1 TLX V6 FWD. A BMW X2 M35i does 0-60 in 4.5s, but 5-60 takes 6.4s, which is 0.5s slower than an Accord.
On paper, the TLX 2.0T weighs almost the same as the RDX, and it has the same powertrain (some wishfully claim it could have different engine or transmission tuning but that's all speculation at this point), so I'm already mentally preparing myself to see acceleration numbers that lag behind a minivan...
09-11-2020, 11:36 AM
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For the RDX, I think it's less about it having a solid 5-60 time, and more about it having a poor 0-60 time due to no launch control. For comparison sake, an Odyssey minivan does 5-60 in 6.6s, almost a half second faster than the RDX, even though it weights 600lb more. If we compare it to the Q5, yes there's a bigger difference between 0-60 and 5-60, but it's 5-60 time is still half a second faster even though (on paper) it makes about 20 less horsepower than the RDX.
On paper, the TLX 2.0T weighs almost the same as the RDX, and it has the same powertrain (some wishfully claim it could have different engine or transmission tuning but that's all speculation at this point), so I'm already mentally preparing myself to see acceleration numbers that lag behind a minivan...
On paper, the TLX 2.0T weighs almost the same as the RDX, and it has the same powertrain (some wishfully claim it could have different engine or transmission tuning but that's all speculation at this point), so I'm already mentally preparing myself to see acceleration numbers that lag behind a minivan...
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09-11-2020, 03:14 PM
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I have a Saab 9-3 Aero XWD which is a turbo 2.8l v6 and while the thing is not fast off the line it's got great passing power which is where I think most of us would use the power. For me 0-60 times is really just a number to satisfy the mind when I'm buying a $50K car. There is just a certain expectation of performance when I'm paying $50 for a sedan.
09-11-2020, 04:51 PM
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Acura has cornered it self again. You bet your ass 0-60 and other metrics matter. This car will be put under a microscope and the reviews better be good or it could sink this Gen especially with a hefty price increase. The new NSX got slaughtered at the launch and you bet it put a nail in the coffin in terms of sales. Oh, and the hefty price contributed as well, sound familiar?
I don't care what anyone saids, if this car is slower than 1st Gen TLX it's already a failure in my books. WTH is Acura waiting for. These cars are already sitting on dealers lots!!!!
I don't care what anyone saids, if this car is slower than 1st Gen TLX it's already a failure in my books. WTH is Acura waiting for. These cars are already sitting on dealers lots!!!!
09-11-2020, 04:59 PM
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I have a Saab 9-3 Aero XWD which is a turbo 2.8l v6 and while the thing is not fast off the line it's got great passing power which is where I think most of us would use the power. For me 0-60 times is really just a number to satisfy the mind when I'm buying a $50K car. There is just a certain expectation of performance when I'm paying $50 for a sedan.
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09-11-2020, 06:41 PM
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This - 5-60 is the most important metric of how quickly you can actually get off the line in 95% of instances during regular driving. This means torque and power to the wheels. All the wheels.
If the Type-S is capable of low 5s in the 5-60, I'll be very strongly considering it. Otherwise, there might be other brands/ options to look at. I do think with the power/ weight/ AWD it will be capable of a 5.2 or 5.3 5-60.
If the Type-S is capable of low 5s in the 5-60, I'll be very strongly considering it. Otherwise, there might be other brands/ options to look at. I do think with the power/ weight/ AWD it will be capable of a 5.2 or 5.3 5-60.
You have it backwards. AWD doesn’t offer much advantages (if any) for the 5-60 times, just 0-60. In fact, most cars (especially turbocharged) with AWD have a much larger difference in the 0-60 and 5-60 times. Case in point, the STi has a sub-5 0-60 get its 5-60 is 7 seconds.
I am just wondering how many people will buy the TLX to do all the 0-60 hahah!
Let's be honest to ourselves and no matter how enthusiasts we are, no one buy these cars to go on the track and race 0-60 on the weekend. The percentage of those buyers are less than 5%. Whoever buys an A4, 3 series, C Class, TLX, IS or Q50 just want to have a car that feels good, drives/handles well and of course has some power to push time to time. Mosy of us lives in this major materopolitine areas where the driving is 40KM/HR when we are going or coming from work.
If you are into racing and real sport cars, then you will buy a Golf R or Civic Type R and Mod it to the max or or if you have money then you will get a RS5 or E63S. No one buys a TLX to race with it,
Let's be honest to ourselves and no matter how enthusiasts we are, no one buy these cars to go on the track and race 0-60 on the weekend. The percentage of those buyers are less than 5%. Whoever buys an A4, 3 series, C Class, TLX, IS or Q50 just want to have a car that feels good, drives/handles well and of course has some power to push time to time. Mosy of us lives in this major materopolitine areas where the driving is 40KM/HR when we are going or coming from work.
If you are into racing and real sport cars, then you will buy a Golf R or Civic Type R and Mod it to the max or or if you have money then you will get a RS5 or E63S. No one buys a TLX to race with it,
0-60mph sells cars but in the real world, it's probably not that important compared to other metrics. I care more about passing power, throttle response, turbo lag, transmission logic, etc. I think this is where a hybrid TLX may come i handy as a performance option. The electric motors will eliminate the turbo lag feeling and give you that instant shove as soon as you step on it.
But that doesn’t explain why Acura is afraid to publish their own performance data for their sports sedan this close to launch. All I keep getting in my emails are heavy handed push strategies trying to get me to buy the new performance oriented TLX but offering zero info about its performance capabilities.
Agreed. With that said, there's only a 0.4s discrepancy between the RDX's 0-60 and 5-60 times, which is quite good for a turbo AWD and a good sign for the new TLX.
Just for comparison, there is a 0.9 to 1.0s discrepancy for the S4, C43 AMG, and M340i. Which means in the real world, the TLX Type S should accelerate about the same.
Since were on the topic of 5-60, it's also worth noting some of the biggest discrepancies come from the Germans. An Audi S5 Sportback does 0-60 in 4.3s, but 5-60 in 5.8s, which is the same as a G1 TLX V6 FWD. A BMW X2 M35i does 0-60 in 4.5s, but 5-60 takes 6.4s, which is 0.5s slower than an Accord.
Just for comparison, there is a 0.9 to 1.0s discrepancy for the S4, C43 AMG, and M340i. Which means in the real world, the TLX Type S should accelerate about the same.
Since were on the topic of 5-60, it's also worth noting some of the biggest discrepancies come from the Germans. An Audi S5 Sportback does 0-60 in 4.3s, but 5-60 in 5.8s, which is the same as a G1 TLX V6 FWD. A BMW X2 M35i does 0-60 in 4.5s, but 5-60 takes 6.4s, which is 0.5s slower than an Accord.
09-11-2020, 08:05 PM
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No, it would normally appear in one of the many press releases that go out to automotive publications and websites, especially for an all-new model. Not having performance metrics for the car isn’t the end of the world. The reality is many of the cars will leave the dealer’s lot simply because the customer’s lease on the 1G has come to an end and picking up a new 2G is the simple thing to do (plus they get the loyalty discount on the lease rate). I just feel disappointed that they went to the trouble of touting their renewed focus on performance when it’s clearly turned out to be just lip service.
09-12-2020, 06:24 PM
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Yea I don't think the TLX will set any 0-60 or 1/4 mile records in its class. It does not have top of class power figures, and it does not have any launch control system. And if I recall correctly, it does not have a wheel option with some grippy summer tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. So in terms of performance figures, my guess is that the TLX probably won't look too good.
It comes down to how the car drives and how competitive it is performance wise. It may not be the benchmark in 0-60mph, but as long as it's right up there with the others, I'd imagine that's fine. I mean if it's running 14's in the 1/4 mil in the Type S, then that's a problem.
It comes down to how the car drives and how competitive it is performance wise. It may not be the benchmark in 0-60mph, but as long as it's right up there with the others, I'd imagine that's fine. I mean if it's running 14's in the 1/4 mil in the Type S, then that's a problem.
09-12-2020, 07:20 PM
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Yea I don't think the TLX will set any 0-60 or 1/4 mile records in its class. It does not have top of class power figures, and it does not have any launch control system. And if I recall correctly, it does not have a wheel option with some grippy summer tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. So in terms of performance figures, my guess is that the TLX probably won't look too good.
It comes down to how the car drives and how competitive it is performance wise. It may not be the benchmark in 0-60mph, but as long as it's right up there with the others, I'd imagine that's fine. I mean if it's running 14's in the 1/4 mil in the Type S, then that's a problem.
It comes down to how the car drives and how competitive it is performance wise. It may not be the benchmark in 0-60mph, but as long as it's right up there with the others, I'd imagine that's fine. I mean if it's running 14's in the 1/4 mil in the Type S, then that's a problem.
Agreed that it won't be lighting the world on fire ... it will be adequate, but inferior to its main rivals. It's just annoying seeing the prepubescent fanboys acting like Acura just took over the sporty compactish-midzided-ish luxury sedan market. The amount of celebration for the Type S was incongruent to the figures Acura was releasing. It would certainly be a welcomed surprise if Acura threw a curveball and did some real magic with the engine and drivetrain, but looking at everything they have now, it's not looking that way. There's rumors swirling about an NSX Type-R (which is odd, since I thought Type-S was now being used solely by Acura, while Type-R was solely for Honda), which may lead to positive things for the TLX-S down the road ... if it survives to see a 3rd generation.
Either way, my 5yr plan just got shot to shit, so no TLX-S or any $50k+ car in my near future. I do hope Acura does some great things with the TLX in the coming future. The 2021 is hopefully just the beginning and they don't abandon the platform too quickly.
09-12-2020, 08:10 PM
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No, it would normally appear in one of the many press releases that go out to automotive publications and websites, especially for an all-new model. Not having performance metrics for the car isn’t the end of the world. The reality is many of the cars will leave the dealer’s lot simply because the customer’s lease on the 1G has come to an end and picking up a new 2G is the simple thing to do (plus they get the loyalty discount on the lease rate). I just feel disappointed that they went to the trouble of touting their renewed focus on performance when it’s clearly turned out to be just lip service.
Yea I don't think the TLX will set any 0-60 or 1/4 mile records in its class. It does not have top of class power figures, and it does not have any launch control system. And if I recall correctly, it does not have a wheel option with some grippy summer tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. So in terms of performance figures, my guess is that the TLX probably won't look too good.
It comes down to how the car drives and how competitive it is performance wise. It may not be the benchmark in 0-60mph, but as long as it's right up there with the others, I'd imagine that's fine. I mean if it's running 14's in the 1/4 mil in the Type S, then that's a problem.
It comes down to how the car drives and how competitive it is performance wise. It may not be the benchmark in 0-60mph, but as long as it's right up there with the others, I'd imagine that's fine. I mean if it's running 14's in the 1/4 mil in the Type S, then that's a problem.
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...a-tlx-overview
One Honda product does have quite a few performance numbers, the HondaJet
https://www.hondajet.com/hondajet/Performance#0
09-12-2020, 08:16 PM
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Yea I don't think the TLX will set any 0-60 or 1/4 mile records in its class. It does not have top of class power figures, and it does not have any launch control system. And if I recall correctly, it does not have a wheel option with some grippy summer tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. So in terms of performance figures, my guess is that the TLX probably won't look too good.
It comes down to how the car drives and how competitive it is performance wise. It may not be the benchmark in 0-60mph, but as long as it's right up there with the others, I'd imagine that's fine. I mean if it's running 14's in the 1/4 mil in the Type S, then that's a problem.
It comes down to how the car drives and how competitive it is performance wise. It may not be the benchmark in 0-60mph, but as long as it's right up there with the others, I'd imagine that's fine. I mean if it's running 14's in the 1/4 mil in the Type S, then that's a problem.
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09-12-2020, 11:02 PM
#152
I'm not expecting any amazing acceleration results but as you probably have already felt in your RDX, the 10AT have a broad gear ratio range of 10/1 (FWIW a BMW 8AT is ~8.2) but since there are ten gears there's less RPM drop between gears so the powertrain can stay in the powerband. 1st and 2nd are pretty high ratios so that's gonna help 0-60 acceleration a fair amount
I wouldn't be that disappointed if this ended up being the case, because at the end of the day for a car like this it's how it feels that matters more than how it actually performs. Nobody is going to bragging about how fast their 2.0T TLX is. Ultimately, it's just a fancier Accord that handles a little better (or a lot better if you get SH-AWD), and as long as it feels fast then the target customer will be satisfied enough. My old Abarth was a hoot to drive and felt a heck of a lot faster than it actually was, but I didn't look at the numbers and think "Wow, this thing sucks, it's way behind a Fiesta ST and Cooper S". Now, the Type-S is a different story, because it's supposed to have performance and sporting pretenses, and so it absolutely needs to deliver both in terms of feeling fast and actually being fast.
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09-14-2020, 12:23 AM
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Yea, perception is important!
The 3G RDX in sport+ mode feels really quick. Off the line it makes me almost feel like I'm invincible lol. It's a huge difference compared to the 1g RDX with 5AT and a huge amount of turbo lag. The funny thing is that both are supposed to do 0-60mph in low 6's.
The 3G RDX in sport+ mode feels really quick. Off the line it makes me almost feel like I'm invincible lol. It's a huge difference compared to the 1g RDX with 5AT and a huge amount of turbo lag. The funny thing is that both are supposed to do 0-60mph in low 6's.
09-14-2020, 11:15 AM
#154
The TLX base-spec (SH-AWD) is only a little lighter than the current RDX, so I'd say 0-60 in 6.2s, and 1/4-mile of 15.0s.
Just enough to beat the new Honda Odyssey (but I'm not so sure about 5-60, the Odyssey's 5-60 time is 0.3s faster than the current RDX, and just 0.2s slower than the Mercedes GLE 43 AMG). So in the real world, don't be surprised if you see an Odyssey pull on the TLX 2.0T A-spec.
The TLX Type S will likely weight around 4200lbs, giving it a similar power-to-weight ratio as the BMW 540i or a Mercedes GLC 43 AMG. So I'm guessing a 0-60 of 4.6s, and 1/4-mile of 13.2s.
It's just too heavy to compete with the likes of the Audi S4 or BMW M340i, but it will be competitive with their SUV-counterparts (SQ5, X3 M40i).
Just enough to beat the new Honda Odyssey (but I'm not so sure about 5-60, the Odyssey's 5-60 time is 0.3s faster than the current RDX, and just 0.2s slower than the Mercedes GLE 43 AMG). So in the real world, don't be surprised if you see an Odyssey pull on the TLX 2.0T A-spec.
The TLX Type S will likely weight around 4200lbs, giving it a similar power-to-weight ratio as the BMW 540i or a Mercedes GLC 43 AMG. So I'm guessing a 0-60 of 4.6s, and 1/4-mile of 13.2s.
It's just too heavy to compete with the likes of the Audi S4 or BMW M340i, but it will be competitive with their SUV-counterparts (SQ5, X3 M40i).
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09-14-2020, 11:22 AM
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Similar to the RDX, I think the 2G TLX will feel faster than the 1G V6, even if it doesn't actually show up in the numbers. For the most part, the midrange in the 3G RDX feels much stronger than in the 2G thanks to the turbo, all that torque, and maybe the gearing, to the point where unless you look at the actual times most people would swear it's at least half a second faster to 60, not slower. But alas, this turbo setup runs out of steam at the top, and that's where it loses its edge to the old V6, but again, most of these customers aren't going to be doing WOT pulls through multiple gears. The customer mindset is probably going to be similar to folks who think their Subaru is pretty quick due to the aggressive tip-in Subaru uses to make up for their anemic powerplants.
I wouldn't be that disappointed if this ended up being the case, because at the end of the day for a car like this it's how it feels that matters more than how it actually performs. Nobody is going to bragging about how fast their 2.0T TLX is. Ultimately, it's just a fancier Accord that handles a little better (or a lot better if you get SH-AWD), and as long as it feels fast then the target customer will be satisfied enough. My old Abarth was a hoot to drive and felt a heck of a lot faster than it actually was, but I didn't look at the numbers and think "Wow, this thing sucks, it's way behind a Fiesta ST and Cooper S". Now, the Type-S is a different story, because it's supposed to have performance and sporting pretenses, and so it absolutely needs to deliver both in terms of feeling fast and actually being fast.
I wouldn't be that disappointed if this ended up being the case, because at the end of the day for a car like this it's how it feels that matters more than how it actually performs. Nobody is going to bragging about how fast their 2.0T TLX is. Ultimately, it's just a fancier Accord that handles a little better (or a lot better if you get SH-AWD), and as long as it feels fast then the target customer will be satisfied enough. My old Abarth was a hoot to drive and felt a heck of a lot faster than it actually was, but I didn't look at the numbers and think "Wow, this thing sucks, it's way behind a Fiesta ST and Cooper S". Now, the Type-S is a different story, because it's supposed to have performance and sporting pretenses, and so it absolutely needs to deliver both in terms of feeling fast and actually being fast.
09-14-2020, 04:21 PM
#156
I just can't believe and accept that the 2.0 Accord will actually accelerate faster than the new base 2.0 TLX. That is what I'm hearing here,and it just sounds crazy. It's family sedan is actually faster than it's sport sedan ????
09-14-2020, 04:56 PM
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09-14-2020, 06:30 PM
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Here's the rub: it's not a sports sedan. Acura can call it whatever they want, but it just plain isn't. They called the 1G TLX a sport sedan, and the V6 SHAWD model barely makes the cut; the other models most definitely do not. Now, this isn't a knock on the TLX; it's also just that the Accord is really really good. But that said, methinks they're overselling the TLX. It's the ILX all over again. If you took that car for what it really is (a fun, sporty, nicer 9th generation Civic Si with a DCT), then it's a fantastic little car. But if you go in expecting it to have the level of luxury and refinement Acura claims it to have, then you wind up sorely disappointed. As I said earlier, if you go in expecting a fancier Accord that handles a little better (or a lot better if you get SH-AWD), then you'll be pretty happy. Go in expecting the same level of sportiness and performance offered by the Germans, you best prepare to be disappointed. At the end of the day this car is bigger and quite a bit heavier than those cars, and in reality probably puts down less power to the ground. You can't beat physics.
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09-14-2020, 06:47 PM
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Yea, I think that's a bit too early to judge on what the car feels like inside, how it rides, how it handles, what the interior materials are like, NVH, etc. I think the whole point of them going with a heavily modified platform, designing a bespoke double wishbone suspension, etc, is to make the car feel more premium along with better handling.
And coming from a 3rd gen RDX, which has an interior on par with most competitors, the TLX seems to have taken it to another level higher. So I don't know, I think things look promising for the car. But gotta wait for reviews to have a better conclusion.
The weight specs of the TLX 2.0T have been released and the car is heavier by about 150lb or so.
And coming from a 3rd gen RDX, which has an interior on par with most competitors, the TLX seems to have taken it to another level higher. So I don't know, I think things look promising for the car. But gotta wait for reviews to have a better conclusion.
The weight specs of the TLX 2.0T have been released and the car is heavier by about 150lb or so.
09-14-2020, 06:52 PM
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Your statement on being disappointed if you compare it to the Germans is asinine. The car has not even been tested against it's competitors. For example, compare the Audi A4/S4 to the Base TLX and Type S. They're similar in HP & torque numbers,both equipped with AWD etc. Are are you saying you are positive it will never be able to match the performance of those cars ? . By the way I have a TL and ask anyone who's driven it that it is just a fancy accord and they'll laugh at you. Even if the Acura doesn't surpass it's rivals in performance, it will still have indisputable advantages over them. The car hasn't been released yet, so please don't make statements without factual data to prove it. And by the way the weight of the car hasn't been released yet.so how do you know it's gonna be " quite a bit heavier".
In the words of Avril Lavigne, "Can I make it any more obvious?"
Note how similar the weights are, how the car has the same exact power figures, and that the gear ratios are exactly the same, save for the final drive ratio which is actually geared for better acceleration for the RDX. Unless you're insisting that Acura is wrong in their spec sheet, please tell me how these cold hard facts adds up to the TLX being as fast or faster than the competition when it might not even be much faster than the RDX.
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