true that....mine too...only thing is women dont think like us obviously lol. If I was in this situation then yea, id make the call...but our lil friend over here may not be so confident. The problem is we dont know enough about him...but I can assume from the fact that he started this thread and is buying pheremone colognes to help his game out that he isnt the smoothest when it comes to the ladies. Im just tryin to get the kid laid without it being a painstaking process lol. He already has one foot in the door!

 

UPDATE:

So I called her a couple of days ago, cause I felt txting would be kind of lame, and we spoke for a few minutes, just small talk/sweet talk, and she asked me if I'd like to come ice skating with her and a few of her friends in a couple of weeks.

I didn't know how to respond without sounding nervous or anything, so I told her that I'll see what I'm upto in the next couple of weeks and let her know later.

So I'm planning on going with her, but I'm also planning on taking a few friends with me, since she's bringing her friends, its only fair, right?

Anyways, what would be the right way to tell her that I wanna go?

 

you should have said, "yeah sure, just give me a couple days heads up before you want to go..."

also you had an opportunity to see if she wanted to go grab a coffee or something this coming weekend? why didn't you jump on that?

 

A couple of weeks dude?

 

After all that work to get her number? Nothing says I want you like "I might see you in a couple of weeks and I'll bring friends to give me an out in case you have bad breath".

 

Ok Kidd, my apologies. I was gone for a minute, but your wingman is back!

This is what I want you to do:

1) Call her on the phone and just start talking to her. The whole idea about two weeks and friends is based on her not feeling really comfortable about being one on one with you yet. Not so much cuz she is afraid, as it is to break the ice with the unknown - you. So you fix that by conversation. Ironically, talk about the job a little, as a starter, since it is something you both have in common. Then slowly transition from that, to "So tell me a little about yourself Veronica. I know there is way more to a woman like you than cleaning buildings. I can tell by the way you carry yourself. Tell me something I don't know. Like what do you like to do?" A lot of what I say may seem small or corny, but when it rolls off your tongue genuinely in the flow of a conversation, it is right on the money. In other words, just slowly, gradually get to know her. Women like a guy to be interested in them and share an interest in what they like to do. If you have a knack for humor, make her laugh. And if you don't, do it anyway. I can't tell you how much women love that! Sometimes you can make a girl swoon just by making her laugh. Whatever you do, just don't be arrogant as others suggested you do. Women actually don't like that. Just be confident and assertive, but just not overly aggressive.

2) A couple of phone calls and a stop at the coffeehouse or quick bite to eat will have you on your way. In no time. Do not wait for the ice-skate date. Ask her out to talk some more after a couple of phone calls. Tell her besides, I think it's better for me that I share some laughs and stories with you BEFORE I go out with you and your friends and fall on my butt! That way you know there is more to me than my ice-skating skills. LOL! (that means you laugh) If she says no, that she isn't comfortable with that, then don't push it. Just talk on the phone with her. But you have to keep contact, even if sparingly, before the ice skating event because you also must maintain her interest. No conversation by the time you go out in two weeks, and you are history or at best a fifth wheel on that night!

3) WHATEVER YOU DO - DO NOT CREATE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT YOU AND HER AS AN ITEM! THAT IS SHUTDOWN CITY!! Don't tell her that you want her to be yours or any dumb thing like that. Don't even look at her with puppy dog eyes if you go out. Look at her with friendly eyes. Eyes that tell her that you are ok, and that she can relax herself around you, with a hint of interest. Women like to be wanted, not swarmed early on, so be cool.

4) I don't care what anyone else says - be yourself! Just cut it in half. That way, you don't hog the attention. It is very hard for you, Mark, to maintain momentum in a conversation or "scene" with a woman (based on current events). But if you stick close to what you know, then you will be ok. If you like to laugh, say funny stuff. Just cut it in half. If you like to be goofy, cut it in half. Let it be about her and what you guys are doing when you hook up for the first few times. Then show her something about you that she might like based on your previous converations and hanging out. Find out what her interests are, and do something small at first, in that area. All of these things must have a natural flow. So they will flow more naturally if "Mark" (if that's your real name) is doing them, not somebody you try to be to impress her. mark is good enough, or you go your way. She liked something about you, enough to take this time with you, so you only need to be you! Simple.

5) Ok, so you got invited to ice skate. Do you know how? If not, you have two weeks to familiarize yourself with the ice. Don't worry about being good. That might actually work in your favor as it will mean more time spent with you, helping you, than jaw-jacking with her friends! But don't be a clutz! Try to stay on two feet and you should be ok. But even if the ice night sucks, pretend to have fun, and don't let the crowd leave you on the side. Engage, be a part. At the same time, let her do stuff with her friends as well, while you chill. Don't worry, you will get your turn another day, but first do something she likes and make her laugh. You will be able to tell if falling on your ass will amuse her or make her look at you like you're an idiot.

6) Don't over-think things. She gave you her number. Ball in your court...don't throw up no bricks! And don't dribble the clock out. Let the game come to you and you will be ok. Just hang loose, have a good time, and remember what it took to get you here so don't blow it playing hard to get or being a jerk. Like Nike..."Just do it"

Go get 'er Kidd!

 

where in Queens are ya??? i'll be a wingman packin the brown bags so you don't hyperventilate


Trent: You know what you are? You're like a big bear with claws and with fangs...

Sue: ...big fucking teeth, man.

Trent: Yeah... big fuckin' teeth on ya'. And she's just like this little bunny, who's just kinda cowering in the corner.

Sue: Shivering.

Trent: Yeah, man just kinda... you know, you got these claws and you're staring at these claws and your thinking to yourself, and with these claws you're thinking, "How am I supposed to kill this bunny, how am I supposed to kill this bunny?"

Sue: And you're poking at it, you're poking at it...

Trent: Yeah, you're not hurting it. You're just kinda gently batting the bunny around, you know what I mean? And the bunny's scared Mike, the bunny's scared of you, shivering.

Sue: And you got these fucking claws and these fangs...

Trent: And you got these fucking claws and these fangs, man! And you're looking at your claws and you're looking at your fangs. And you're thinking to yourself, you don't know what to do, man. "I don't know how to kill the bunny." With *this* you don't know how to kill the bunny, do you know what I mean?

Sue: You're like a big bear, man.

Mike: So you're not just like fucking with me?

Trent: No I'm not fucking with you.

Sue: Honestly, man.

 

Your advice is much better when you keep it general. Cyrano de Bergerac you aren't.

 

^^

talking on the phone is what guys do when they're in a relationship. mostly cuz they have to.

Call her and ask her out it's as simple as that. you can talk over tea. Don't talk on the phone for too long - that's where you have the biggest chance of fucking shit up by saying something dumb.

 

....or sounding needy or like you have no life. Always keep it short and sweet and most importantly find a way to end the call before she does.

 

The "cleaning buildings" part was supposed to be in red so he knew it was a joke. LOL! My bad...hope he sees that...But you know what tho, if I could do the Cyranno thing, he would fuck that night! Hahahahahaha!

And as for the talking on the phone part Cibs, that is to maintain some type of connection and initiate a closer one. That isn't for him to call her up and say what are you doing? C'mon man, think. Getting invited to an event two weeks from now means disaster for our boy if he doesn't get her interested or develop some idea of what to say to her. I thought she asked for two weeks when friends would be around because she didn't feel comfortable. No established dialogue means in two weeks "Hey, remember me, we have a date tonight"! Then total silence. Dude is too green for that. Anyway, I already said for him to try to meet up with her beforehand, but SETTLE for phone contact. Not everyday, sparingly, a couple of times. He will be alright.

Kidd - I'm telling you, if you listen to me, you are in there! Some of these guys are forgetting that you have an interest in this girl beyond banging her. So your approach has to be different. Take what you need from the post, and discard what you don't, or what doesn't fit when you encounter her. But it is sound advice for achieving what you want.

Also, when you are reading what I say to him, remember that I am talking to a beginner, so my advice reflects that. It isn't what I would say or you might say. But just enough for him to build conversation on. he hasn't been where you have so give him some room for growth, know what I mean? And you guys are thinking about him fucking, not building. Entirely different mindset. And no, I am not trying o marry him off or get him hitched, I just know he wants that so I advise accordingly for the down the road part that comes next.

 

LOL damn you did get a second chance, lucky sonbitch. Anyways most there girls I know tell me dont text girls you just meet. Its awkward. So you did the right thing by calling her.

This reminds me of that scene from 40year old virgin where the guy just got that ebay chicks number. And darksom is that bald black guy LOL! "Your dick is his dick. Waves of Hoes is gonna be comming at you Friday, Saturday, by SUnday your nuts will be drained!" AHAHAHAHA

But good job bro, she totally wanted to give you her number. Keep talking to her, and stayyyy away from silent moments. Cuz its really awkward, unless you guys are gazing into each others eyes lol. First ask questions to get her to open up, then try to be yourself when you are with her. Because if you always have to act like a different person when your with her its not gonna work, unless your just looking for a wambam-ty-mam.

 

Good insights and advice here! Yes, call her again before the ice skating date to show your interest.

 

if you going to bring friends dont bring the type that will try to get with the girl your interested in.

 

^Agreed.

 

Damn Kidd, went to Vegas for Thanksgiving with no AZ and I missed all this drama! Here I was clubbing at Tao and Tryst and missing out on all your exploits. Props for rectifying the situation and making the most of your 2nd opportunity As usual darksom is on like donkey kong, short phone conversations are good to maintain the spark. Don't be all needy and shit or spend like an hour on the phone with her or you will be well on your way to friendzone. Just be calm, cool, and collected. Plus you'll fuck up less if you ask questions about her. Try find something you have in common, i.e. musical tastes, movies, sports, traveling. Ladies are always a lot more enthusiastic if you are enthusiastic so it doesn't hurt to talk about stuff you like as long as you don't turn into a blabbermouth. Face time is always better so play it cool on the tele and maybe meet up for something chill like coffee before the ice rink. Dinner and a movie are a lot more pressure on you so build up to that, confidence is king.

BTW, do you have "Blades of Glory"-like skills on the skates or are you a skating neophyte? If you're gonna spend the evening face-planting you might want to hone your skills ahead of time imo.

 

Thanks for the advice, very much appreciated.

As far as skating goes, well...I've never skated before BUT I've been rollerblading since I was like 13 and I'm pretty damm good at it. My cousin tells me that it's almost the same, except in skating there's more of a slippery feel to it....

 

congrats man. the first thing i thought of when you said that you talked to her in the elevator was Harold and Kumar. looks like it went the same, except no amsterdam,white castle,or Neil Patrick Harris.

 

It's not quite the same, but you're well on your way to not looking like a total idiot on the ice On the ice, you have to rely on and trust the edges of the blades more.

 

yeah, it is similar but not exactly the same...

also remember, you don't have a brake anymore... don't break something trying to hockey stop if you have never done it before...

 

UPDATE:

Alright, so over the last week or so, I've called her twice, and we spoke, and she actually invited me to the movies tomorrow night. But the thing is, the way she said it was very weird, it's like she was trying to show no interest in me when she invited me, so I kinda dont know what to make out of this situation..., and I better give her a reply fast cause I got less than a day left

 

she is playin a bit hard to get... go to the movies and if things go well continue the night by offering to go grab a coffee someplace...

 

she's playing the same game both sexes do and not showing too much interest all at once

 

so she asked if you wanted to ask her our
she asked you to the ice rink
she asked you to the movies

i can understand why she's sounding a bit despondent man.
why aren't you doing these things yourself?
You should make sure you do something unexpected (in a good way) after you pick her up for the movies .....you are picking her up, right?

 

yea im gonna call her tomorrow and let her know that im going and ask her what time i should pick her up

 

Kidd, at some point in time, you have to man up and grow some stones! Damn, this wimp stuff is irritating! LOL!

You see a woman that is "dis-interested"...I see a woman throwing herself in the path of your oncoming dick, but will be surprised when she gets close that it is just a mirage!!! (3 exclamations - )

Just play the role of the aggressor and ACT like you want the woman and stop waiting for her to do everything. I bet her friends are asking her what are you doing messing with him when he doesn't even act like he likes you.

Recap:

She gave you her number
She asked you to go ice-skating
She asked you to go to the movies

Like shnee420 said, you are one step away from being a bad experience for this chick, or from her telling her friends you must be gay not to want THIS! (you did say that right Shnee? Haha)

This is how we get her back on track to following your lead, which by the way you stumbled and lost at the elevator :

Call her up and ask her to meet you somewhere where you could laugh and talk with her. Tell her the phone is cool, but her eyes are better! SAY IT JUST LIKE THAT! You suggest the place and let her accept. You see, all of this is you being assertive and acting like you WANT her. Women like to be WANTED and courted (read: come and get me)!! Look, just because she suggested ice-skating at first doesn't mean that is the only thing open on the menu. She is opening up herself to you and you are not getting it. C'mon man - it's right there Kidd...go get it! I don't mean sex, I mean everything is right there...but like a going out of business sale: it can be here today, and gone tomorrow! Sooooo...

STEP YOUR GAME UP KIDD!!!! (4 that time )

P.S. - Do all of you guys who said "No Kidd don't call her on the phone, that's only for relationships or if you are pressed" see the enormous progress in his quest, from calling her? I know what the fuck I'm talking about daaawwwggg!!! Go get 'er Kidd!!!

 

Yeah...make sure you guys go out early enough so that its not too late to hang out a bit for a coffee... even if she's playin hard to get, when you get in a relaxed, half way crowded place, if she's really down for you, you will have her undivided attention, even as people move in and out of your space... I used to ask women out for coffee, then if the vibe was right I would have a "next step"( movie, dinner, go carts...whatever) on tap if needed...

 

Unbelievable that she hasn't given up yet.


I just read through this for the first time in about a month. Any updates? I hope you've hung out multiple times by now...

 

what ever happened? Any updates AcuraKidd?

 

I think he's fallen and can't give up!

 

Geez, just do it. Don't screw around and tell her you'll get back to her just go see the movie and maybe hit up Miami. Maybe you two could get a Jetski together but lets leave your cuz at home this time

 

maybe he realized he is actually gay.

 

Yikes..

 

Update please, I feel that it's the least you can do after i read 8 pages of your drama

 

After these 8 pages, my best guess is he's cleaning her house this weekend.

 

Alright guys, here's the long awaited update,

So we went ice skating and she brought a couple of hot friends with her, who turned out to be single, and my cousin brought his girlfriend with him, which he regretted very much later on. Here's how it went down:

I picked her up at her house, along with her two friends, and during the ride we spoke about normal stuff like school, work, etc..., which was very boring for me. One of the girls suddenly asked me "so how long you two have been going out?" and then we just had like a moment of silence for like 10 secs, and veronica answered "about 38 minutes due to all the traffic" (that was how long we were driving for), and then we just all laughed.

So after we got to the ice skating place, we met up with my cousin, and got in line, which wasn't really that long. My cousin started checkin out her two friends right away, and started chatting with them, and his girl got REALLY jealous and pissed (she always does, but I guess in this situation she had the right to be)

So as we started to go in to get our skates, my cousins girl flipped, and went home. My cousin could really care less cause he was with the 2 other chicks. Me and veronica just laughed at the whole situation.

So we got our skates, and since this was my very first time ice skating, as soon as I stepped on the ice, I almost fell. But a few minutes later I got the hang of it and actually started doing pretty good, but that was before veronica tried to get me to fall...turns out she's skated before and is very, and I mean VERY good at it. She was doing all kinds of stunts and moves. Well for the hour that we've been skating, I've only fallen on 3 people, and we had a good laugh about it.

Oh yea, forgot to mention that my cousin left a little earlier with the 2 other girls, they went to TGI Fridays, which we ended up going to after ice skating. Veronica tunred out to be very tired and kinda hungry, and so was I, so when we got there, she just sort of relaxed on my shoulder.

We ate, had a few drinks, and had some good laughs, and started to leave. My cousin left in a cab with the 2 girls, took them to his place, and from there you could just use your imagination

So me and veronica are walking to the car, and she tells me that she just wants to chill in my car for a bit, so i'm like alright. So as I'm gettin in the car, she say's she wants me to sit with her in the back...

 

I dunno about this whole story here...I hope ur tellin the truth

 

i call BS, where are the pics...

 

hmm discrepencies. At what point did he actually start regretting?

 

Ummm... yeah... back seat then what? talk? make out? surely not banging her, otherwise you would've posted another thread titled "There's a girl in the back seat of my TL, what do I do now?"