View Poll Results: Would you abort a pregnancy?
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Pro-life
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10-17-2006, 03:44 PM
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^But that is an argument in regards as the when the fetus becomes a baby. I stand by as long as its brain dead its a fetus. I don't know the exact time window, but their should be some insurance weeks ahead of that date estimate for cutoff.
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10-17-2006, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Astroboy
are you for real??
dude, you have no idea.
it's not a fucking baby until it takes its first breath. i can see it being considered a human after 7months, but to suggest aborting a first trimester fetus is akin to killing a baby is just completely bonkers.
dude, you have no idea.
it's not a fucking baby until it takes its first breath. i can see it being considered a human after 7months, but to suggest aborting a first trimester fetus is akin to killing a baby is just completely bonkers.
But then again, not everyone paid attention in biology101. Don't let religious BS blind scientific facts.
It's not a baby within first few weeks.
10-17-2006, 03:48 PM
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I think we can all agree that decisions should be made according to each individual.
Some of you vote "pro life", some like me voted for "pro choice" and some voted "depends". It all comes down to each person's current life status, if you are ready, then I say have the baby. If you aren't, then abortion is the way to go. The pregnant woman should be able to have the FINAL SAY, not some douchebag that cries out for PRO-CHOICE or PRO-LIFE who knows nothing about the current status of the individual.
Some of you vote "pro life", some like me voted for "pro choice" and some voted "depends". It all comes down to each person's current life status, if you are ready, then I say have the baby. If you aren't, then abortion is the way to go. The pregnant woman should be able to have the FINAL SAY, not some douchebag that cries out for PRO-CHOICE or PRO-LIFE who knows nothing about the current status of the individual.
10-17-2006, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
Ultimatly it does come down to a religion vs. science debate...
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10-17-2006, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
Ultimatly it does come down to a religion vs. science debate...
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10-17-2006, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
I think we can all agree that decisions should be made according to each individual.
Some of you vote "pro life", some like me voted for "pro choice" and some voted "depends". It all comes down to each person's current life status, if you are ready, then I say have the baby. If you aren't, then abortion is the way to go. The pregnant woman should be able to have the FINAL SAY, not some douchebag that cries out for PRO-CHOICE or PRO-LIFE who knows nothing about the current status of the individual.
Some of you vote "pro life", some like me voted for "pro choice" and some voted "depends". It all comes down to each person's current life status, if you are ready, then I say have the baby. If you aren't, then abortion is the way to go. The pregnant woman should be able to have the FINAL SAY, not some douchebag that cries out for PRO-CHOICE or PRO-LIFE who knows nothing about the current status of the individual.
10-17-2006, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
I 2nd that motion.
But then again, not everyone paid attention in biology101. Don't let religious BS blind scientific facts.
It's not a baby within first few weeks.
But then again, not everyone paid attention in biology101. Don't let religious BS blind scientific facts.
It's not a baby within first few weeks.
Its not a religious issue, its a moral issue. And, in this case science doesnt offer any answers. Legaly though, its not a person untill it leaves the womb.
10-17-2006, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 98CLChick
If a condom breaks, then take the morning after pill. I just don't see the sense in having an abortion when there are so many birth control options out there. Why punish something you've created because of your mistake?
I do understand the need for an abortion due to rape, health issues, etc....I don't think it should be used as a substitute to birth control
I do understand the need for an abortion due to rape, health issues, etc....I don't think it should be used as a substitute to birth control
Accidents do happen, and people do make mistakes. I just hope that if it comes down to abortion, those who have used it or will use it should only use it once and learn from their mistakes.
I don't think people would use abortion as a birth control method... it's not that healthy to have abortions over and over.
10-17-2006, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
I think we can all agree that decisions should be made according to each individual.
Actually, the problem is that not everyone does agree that the decision should be made according to each individual.
10-17-2006, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by fdl
Its not a religious issue, its a moral issue. And, in this case science doesnt offer any answers. Legaly though, its not a person untill it leaves the womb.
10-17-2006, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
Science does offer answers though...
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It absolutely does not. Its a moral problem, period. Science can tell us when life is formed, when that life form has feelings, when its brain develops, etc. But it cant tell us when it is morally justifiable to end the life.
10-17-2006, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
My lady, not everyone knows about "morning after pill". You have to understand there are plenty of folks in this world who are uneducated or less-educated or knows nothing about birth controls, protections etc.,
Accidents do happen, and people do make mistakes. I just hope that if it comes down to abortion, those who have used it or will use it should only use it once and learn from their mistakes.
I don't think people would use abortion as a birth control method... it's not that healthy to have abortions over and over.
Accidents do happen, and people do make mistakes. I just hope that if it comes down to abortion, those who have used it or will use it should only use it once and learn from their mistakes.
I don't think people would use abortion as a birth control method... it's not that healthy to have abortions over and over.
10-17-2006, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by fdl
Actually, the problem is that not everyone does agree that the decision should be made according to each individual.
10-17-2006, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
I'm sure their are some... But majority is religion based.
Edit: CUnextTuesday... The moral challenges wound up with early term abortion are largly religion based...
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Edit: CUnextTuesday... The moral challenges wound up with early term abortion are largly religion based...
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There's an extremely large number of people who have abortions everyday, the thing is that most people don't tell you they have them (for obvious reasons).
10-17-2006, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fdl
It absolutely does not. Its a moral problem, period. Science can tell us when life is formed, when that life form has feelings, when its brain develops, etc. But it cant tell us when it is morally justifiable to end the life.
10-17-2006, 04:02 PM
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ok gentlemen, lady.
This was a great topic but I'm afraid I must leave you for an important engagement with the lady. I'm sure when I check this thread again, it will be least 15 pages long.
So far we have had a clivilized debate and I wish to continue this way next time I read it.
This was a great topic but I'm afraid I must leave you for an important engagement with the lady. I'm sure when I check this thread again, it will be least 15 pages long.
So far we have had a clivilized debate and I wish to continue this way next time I read it.
10-17-2006, 04:06 PM
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I dont think its right for people that are pro-life to make the desicions of other people. They dont know everyones situations and for them to say that its not right to have abortions, I think are ignorant. 
Think of the poor woman that gets raped and gets pregnant. Forced to have the kid because abortions are against the law. She now, has to look at the child that her bastard raper gave her. Im not saying that she is going to love that child any less, but that child is going to remind her of what happened every day of her life.
Think of the poor woman that gets raped and gets pregnant. Forced to have the kid because abortions are against the law. She now, has to look at the child that her bastard raper gave her. Im not saying that she is going to love that child any less, but that child is going to remind her of what happened every day of her life.
10-17-2006, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
My lady, not everyone knows about "morning after pill". You have to understand there are plenty of folks in this world who are uneducated or less-educated or knows nothing about birth controls, protections etc.
10-17-2006, 04:17 PM
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Right, so we can base our moral decisions off that science. A fertilized egg is no more of a life form than a sperm cell or egg cell is, except it has twice as many chromosomes and has started mitosis.
Again, the highly religious who are against stem cell research, abortion, etc, make up a large part of the pro-life croud: see prolife.com
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Again, the highly religious who are against stem cell research, abortion, etc, make up a large part of the pro-life croud: see prolife.com
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10-17-2006, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
^^
Fortunately, I don't think abortions will ever be against the law - it just poses too many problems.
Fortunately, I don't think abortions will ever be against the law - it just poses too many problems.
To my knowledge, none of their attempts were successful and a couple of them actually got a real abortion eventually, but imagine what lengths they'd have gone to if abortion were actually ILLEGAL? At least someone was able to talk some sense into those girls and convince them to terminate their unwanted pregnancies in a controlled medical environment rather than taking Astro's suggestion of coat hangers and vacuum cleaners.
10-17-2006, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
Right, so we can base our moral decisions off that science. A fertilized egg is no more of a life form than a sperm cell or egg cell is, except it has twice as many chromosomes and has started mitosis.
Again, the highly religious who are against stem cell research, abortion, etc, make up a large part of the pro-life croud: see prolife.com
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Again, the highly religious who are against stem cell research, abortion, etc, make up a large part of the pro-life croud: see prolife.com
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10-17-2006, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Caliadria
Man, I hope not. Even before parental consent became an issue, I can remember girls at my high school begging their boyfriends to punch them in the stomach, taking all sorts of weird herbal "medicines" and the like in order to "naturally" miscarry their pregnancies because they either didn't have the $400 to get an abortion, or didn't want their parents to ask why they were feeling under the weather.
To my knowledge, none of their attempts were successful and a couple of them actually got a real abortion eventually, but imagine what lengths they'd have gone to if abortion were actually ILLEGAL? At least someone was able to talk some sense into those girls and convince them to terminate their unwanted pregnancies in a controlled medical environment rather than taking Astro's suggestion of coat hangers and vacuum cleaners.
To my knowledge, none of their attempts were successful and a couple of them actually got a real abortion eventually, but imagine what lengths they'd have gone to if abortion were actually ILLEGAL? At least someone was able to talk some sense into those girls and convince them to terminate their unwanted pregnancies in a controlled medical environment rather than taking Astro's suggestion of coat hangers and vacuum cleaners.
10-17-2006, 04:42 PM
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10-17-2006, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
^I'd think just by taking a few breaths of the air, or glasses of the water... 
I will still disagree and say your morals are based largely off science or religion.
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I will still disagree and say your morals are based largely off science or religion.
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10-17-2006, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
Good thing that you don't need any parental consent to get an abortion in Jersey
10-17-2006, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
^I'd think just by taking a few breaths of the air, or glasses of the water...
I will still disagree and say your morals are based largely off science or religion.
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I will still disagree and say your morals are based largely off science or religion.
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I guess you just dont understand because you have never been in those shoes.
10-17-2006, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
Actually, I don't think they even have to notify the parents in NJ.
10-17-2006, 04:48 PM
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I don't think most states require it. I mentioned parental consent because I'm talking about the days when NOBODY required it, when it was TOTALLY legal for all ages, and girls I knew wanted to take drastic measures anyway, on the off-chance their parents may find out.
IMO, making parental consent a law poses a lot more problems than it fixes.
IMO, making parental consent a law poses a lot more problems than it fixes.
10-17-2006, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
^^
Fortunately, I don't think abortions will ever be against the law - it just poses too many problems.
Fortunately, I don't think abortions will ever be against the law - it just poses too many problems.
10-17-2006, 04:58 PM
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Pro choice. It should be no ones decision other than the mother
10-17-2006, 05:03 PM
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I think the pro-life VS pro-choice issue is far too big an issue in America compared to the other societal ills there are (eg drugs, guns, war).
Perhaps my Canadian upbringing and there being pro-choice my whole life, as well as other 'liberal' viewpoints we have (eg gay marriages, legal to for females to walk topless in Ontario, medicinal marijuana, etc) ...
Everyone has a right to their opinion. Why do conservative zealots kill abortion doctors to 'save' the unborn? Isn't that forcing your opinion onto someone else? It's almost like killing in the name of war. Isn't it the same conservatives who support a war against terrorism (ie kill the 'bad people') but at the same time want to protect the unborn? Isn't killing a life equally bad? This makes no sense to me. Can someone clarify this?
Is this the difference -- it's OK to kill someone with a gun for something your gov't wants you to believe is right/moral?
In case you don't know ... I'm pro-choice ... I can't, in my good conscience, force my opinion onto someone else. We live in a democracy and that's the right women have. Some of the proposals the right-wing US gov't have sent to debate on the floor basically does not allow any sort of abortion ... even ones that endanger the life of the mother or women that are victims of sexual assault.
Perhaps my Canadian upbringing and there being pro-choice my whole life, as well as other 'liberal' viewpoints we have (eg gay marriages, legal to for females to walk topless in Ontario, medicinal marijuana, etc) ...
Everyone has a right to their opinion. Why do conservative zealots kill abortion doctors to 'save' the unborn? Isn't that forcing your opinion onto someone else? It's almost like killing in the name of war. Isn't it the same conservatives who support a war against terrorism (ie kill the 'bad people') but at the same time want to protect the unborn? Isn't killing a life equally bad? This makes no sense to me. Can someone clarify this?
Is this the difference -- it's OK to kill someone with a gun for something your gov't wants you to believe is right/moral?
In case you don't know ... I'm pro-choice ... I can't, in my good conscience, force my opinion onto someone else. We live in a democracy and that's the right women have. Some of the proposals the right-wing US gov't have sent to debate on the floor basically does not allow any sort of abortion ... even ones that endanger the life of the mother or women that are victims of sexual assault.
10-17-2006, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMainEvEnt
I am pro-choice, but this is a topic that I rather stay away from.
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Now I'm glued to the screen, waiting to see who pops up with the next ignorant comment.
10-17-2006, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Caliadria
I don't think most states require it. I mentioned parental consent because I'm talking about the days when NOBODY required it, when it was TOTALLY legal for all ages, and girls I knew wanted to take drastic measures anyway, on the off-chance their parents may find out.
IMO, making parental consent a law poses a lot more problems than it fixes.
IMO, making parental consent a law poses a lot more problems than it fixes.