View Poll Results: Would you abort a pregnancy?
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10-23-2006, 10:19 AM
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10-23-2006, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Pull_T
Has anyone won this debate yet?
It seems pretty unanimous that every situation is different and none of can really say what's best in any particular situation that doesn't concern us.
10-23-2006, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
If anything, I think this decision should be taken out of the parents hands and put into the hands of some sortof medical review/child protective services committee.
yeah, lets take the most personal, intimate decision a person could ever have to make, and put it in the hands of some cold stranger
10-23-2006, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
If anything, I think this decision should be taken out of the parents hands and put into the hands of some sortof medical review/child protective services committee.
What if a medical board decided that the rate of growth in the population was too high and every other male should be snipped....would you go for that? Or that only every 3rd person is entitled to have a surgury? Where would it stop? This a personal decision, not for a third party.
10-23-2006, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
If anything, I think this decision should be taken out of the parents hands and put into the hands of some sortof medical review/child protective services committee.
10-23-2006, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
If anything, I think this decision should be taken out of the parents hands and put into the hands of some sortof medical review/child protective services committee.
WOW! CLASSIC! I want to remember this moment 1:13pm on Monday 10/23/2006.
10-23-2006, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
If anything, I think this decision should be taken out of the parents hands and put into the hands of some sortof medical review/child protective services committee.
Are you the president of the ACLU as well?
10-23-2006, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Astroboy
dude, you're crazy.
yeah, lets take the most personal, intimate decision a person could ever have to make, and put it in the hands of some cold stranger
yeah, lets take the most personal, intimate decision a person could ever have to make, and put it in the hands of some cold stranger
I think you should apply to have your baby killed, which is reviewed and either granted or denied.
Last edited by leedogg; 10-23-2006 at 02:59 PM.
10-23-2006, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike97 3.0P
^^^Look, I don't even know 100% where I stand on this issue. There are so many factors involved and parties affected by either choice. I just don't like how people can get an abortion because it's not "convenient" for them to have a baby at the current moment, or because they "don't feel like taking care of it" (easy way out kind of thing).
So what about all those parents that actually wanted kids and planned them out, but just suck at being parents (in CPS's views)?? Are we supposed to go around saying "you should have aborted that kid?"
So what about all those parents that actually wanted kids and planned them out, but just suck at being parents (in CPS's views)?? Are we supposed to go around saying "you should have aborted that kid?"
10-23-2006, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
I think you should apply to have your baby killed, which is reviewed and either granted or denied.
I grant you, the world is overpopulated, but this is not the answer.And we're debating rights regarding an embryo or fetus, not a baby.
10-23-2006, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
I think you should apply to have your baby killed, which is reviewed and either granted or denied.
10-23-2006, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
I think you should apply to have your baby killed, which is reviewed and either granted or denied.
10-23-2006, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
I think you should apply to have your baby killed, which is reviewed and either granted or denied.
Hopefully the sarcasm comes across without the red text.
10-23-2006, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
Why not just go to a modified version of China's old policy on children. They would only allow each family one child unless they received special permission from the government. How about we require all couples to receive permission to have any children?
Hopefully the sarcasm comes across without the red text.
Hopefully the sarcasm comes across without the red text.
10-23-2006, 04:55 PM
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You guys can scorn it all you want, but my biggest problem with abortion is that it will be desensitized to simply another form of birth control that can easily be abused. Some examples:
They dont want to use condoms or contraceptives
Its done without approval of both parents (i.e. the woman is getting back at the man or simply doesnt want the child even if the father does)
Pscyhological problems- Feel overwhelmed, depression, etc - which can be discovered and treated.
Pretty much any reason that doesnt provide a compelling reason for an abortion.
Now if they are rejected for an abortion, a possible recourse could always be adoption.
They dont want to use condoms or contraceptives
Its done without approval of both parents (i.e. the woman is getting back at the man or simply doesnt want the child even if the father does)
Pscyhological problems- Feel overwhelmed, depression, etc - which can be discovered and treated.
Pretty much any reason that doesnt provide a compelling reason for an abortion.
Now if they are rejected for an abortion, a possible recourse could always be adoption.
Last edited by leedogg; 10-23-2006 at 04:57 PM.
10-23-2006, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
You guys can scorn it all you want, but my biggest problem with abortion is that it will be desensitized to simply another form of birth control that can easily be abused. Some examples:
They dont want to use condoms or contraceptives
Its done without approval of both parents (i.e. the woman is getting back at the man or simply doesnt want the child even if the father does)
Pscyhological problems- Feel overwhelmed, depression, etc - which can be discovered and treated.
Pretty much any reason that doesnt provide a compelling reason for an abortion.
Now if they are rejected for an abortion, a possible recourse could always be adoption.
They dont want to use condoms or contraceptives
Its done without approval of both parents (i.e. the woman is getting back at the man or simply doesnt want the child even if the father does)
Pscyhological problems- Feel overwhelmed, depression, etc - which can be discovered and treated.
Pretty much any reason that doesnt provide a compelling reason for an abortion.
Now if they are rejected for an abortion, a possible recourse could always be adoption.
10-23-2006, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fast-tl
^^But you say it like it's just a pill you pop. It's a surgical procedure; there's nothing casual about it!
10-23-2006, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
It is commendable that you would accept the responsibility though.
10-23-2006, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike97 3.0P
Thanks, I mean at 19 I might have felt different, but now I have a job, money, house, etc and would man up even if it was unplanned.
As for someone who has had three by the time they turned 21? I wouldn't feel too bad if the doctor "fixed" the plumbing while he was in there the last time.
10-23-2006, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fast-tl
^^But you say it like it's just a pill you pop. It's a surgical procedure; there's nothing casual about it!
Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
Might as well make couples pass an examination before they're allowed to reproduce if they wants kids.
Having and or wanting to have kids is different than wanting to kill a kid. You're acting like its a fundamental right to kill your baby or something. Its a big goddamn deal to kill a life form, and I want it to stay that way. I want people forced to accept responsibility for their actions when then can and should. Sorry, no easy McBortion for you.
10-23-2006, 07:47 PM
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^^^Sounds AWWWFULLY Democratic to me. Tell me, how far should that extend? Who will be responsible to ensure your responsibility for your actions?
Being a Republican, I want as little gov't intrusion into my life as possible, especially where it concerns my reproductive options. Can you elaborate on HOW this review board would work? What types of questions ensure that a woman "deserved" her abortion? Who would "review the reviewers" to ensure they were objective and without ulterior motive. Who would the reviewers be?
Leedogg, I don't think you've thought this one out. What's next? Gov't review of our spending habits and forcing me to be responsible and buy soda instead of beer?
Being a Republican, I want as little gov't intrusion into my life as possible, especially where it concerns my reproductive options. Can you elaborate on HOW this review board would work? What types of questions ensure that a woman "deserved" her abortion? Who would "review the reviewers" to ensure they were objective and without ulterior motive. Who would the reviewers be?
Leedogg, I don't think you've thought this one out. What's next? Gov't review of our spending habits and forcing me to be responsible and buy soda instead of beer?
10-23-2006, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
Having and or wanting to have kids is different than wanting to kill a kid. You're acting like its a fundamental right to kill your baby or something. Its a big goddamn deal to kill a life form, and I want it to stay that way. I want people forced to accept responsibility for their actions when then can and should. Sorry, no easy McBortion for you.
10-23-2006, 11:35 PM
#588
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Originally Posted by leedogg
You guys can scorn it all you want, but my biggest problem with abortion is that it will be desensitized to simply another form of birth control that can easily be abused. Some examples:
They dont want to use condoms or contraceptives
Its done without approval of both parents (i.e. the woman is getting back at the man or simply doesnt want the child even if the father does)
Pscyhological problems- Feel overwhelmed, depression, etc - which can be discovered and treated.
Pretty much any reason that doesnt provide a compelling reason for an abortion.
Now if they are rejected for an abortion, a possible recourse could always be adoption.
They dont want to use condoms or contraceptives
Its done without approval of both parents (i.e. the woman is getting back at the man or simply doesnt want the child even if the father does)
Pscyhological problems- Feel overwhelmed, depression, etc - which can be discovered and treated.
Pretty much any reason that doesnt provide a compelling reason for an abortion.
Now if they are rejected for an abortion, a possible recourse could always be adoption.
10-23-2006, 11:37 PM
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You will never stop women from aborting children, so would you rather let them make that choice themselves, or limit it to cases where some judge or panel deems it "necessary."
You do not want to see women self-aborting....
You do not want to see women self-aborting....
10-24-2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by fast-tl
^^^Sounds AWWWFULLY Democratic to me. Tell me, how far should that extend? Who will be responsible to ensure your responsibility for your actions?
Being a Republican, I want as little gov't intrusion into my life as possible, especially where it concerns my reproductive options. Can you elaborate on HOW this review board would work? What types of questions ensure that a woman "deserved" her abortion? Who would "review the reviewers" to ensure they were objective and without ulterior motive. Who would the reviewers be?
Leedogg, I don't think you've thought this one out. What's next? Gov't review of our spending habits and forcing me to be responsible and buy soda instead of beer?
Being a Republican, I want as little gov't intrusion into my life as possible, especially where it concerns my reproductive options. Can you elaborate on HOW this review board would work? What types of questions ensure that a woman "deserved" her abortion? Who would "review the reviewers" to ensure they were objective and without ulterior motive. Who would the reviewers be?
Leedogg, I don't think you've thought this one out. What's next? Gov't review of our spending habits and forcing me to be responsible and buy soda instead of beer?
As for myself, I'm one of those boring, middle-of-the-road "independents."
Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
You do not want to see women self-aborting....
10-24-2006, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
Birth control pills from Planned Parenthood are less than $10 a month. 
10-24-2006, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wickedlysane
No, they aren't. They are $25 a month, just slightly cheaper than a pharmacy. I just bought 4 packs, it was $100.
Wouldn't the price at the pharmacy depend on your insurance?
10-24-2006, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
I forgot to mention that they are cheaper at PPH for high school students. My girlfriend in high school got them for $8 or $9 a pack...not sure how the price changes after that.
Wouldn't the price at the pharmacy depend on your insurance?
Wouldn't the price at the pharmacy depend on your insurance?
10-27-2006, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by leedogg
Its a big damn deal to kill a life form, and I want it to stay that way. I want people forced to accept responsibility for their actions when then can and should. Sorry, no easy McBortion for you.
....my wife is ~ 16 weeks with a baby we really did not plan on (us=late 30s, current kids=mid teens, with college and retirement being diligently worked on). We look forward to our mid-life parenting. Although we are currently the parents of teens, this one has almost a novel, first time feel to it.
We have a 4D ultrasound scheduled for mid-November.
10-27-2006, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SwervinCL
Then you would find even more babies in the dumpster, but you must think that is a better alternative!
But in any case, I guess having the baby chopped up and sucked out by a vacuum in the 3rd trimester is alot more humane that being dumped into a dumpster.
10-27-2006, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
....my wife is ~ 16 weeks with a baby we really did not plan on (us=late 30s, current kids=mid teens, with college and retirement being diligently worked on). We look forward to our mid-life parenting. Although we are currently the parents of teens, this one has almost a novel, first time feel to it.
We have a 4D ultrasound scheduled for mid-November.
After my kid, I finally realized what truth lies in the saying...."Life is what happens when you're too busy planning everything."
10-27-2006, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
Congrats. After my kid, I finally realized what truth lies in the saying...."Life is what happens when you're too busy planning everything."
After my kid, I finally realized what truth lies in the saying...."Life is what happens when you're too busy planning everything." That saying is SO true on SO MANY levels!!!!
10-27-2006, 07:54 PM
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I recall when my mother recommended an abortion soon after she found out that I (then 20 y/o, college student, zero income, no savings) got my girlfriend (19 y/o, fairly recent immigrant, college student, zero income, small savings) pregnant.
Although I was an agnostic, pro choice liberal back then, I was still personally against abortion and decided against my mother's recommendation (although I briefly considered it). The idea just did not sit well for me. (Maybe this was a sign that being a somewhat conservative, Born Again follower of Christ was in my future.
)
Fast forward to 2006: I have been married to that 'girlfriend' for 16 1/2 years and have an AWESOME 16 y/o son (who happens to know more about cars than yours truly), a TERRIFIC 14 y/o daughter (who I suspect may have a future in US politics), and a surprise blessing on the way. (When I look at my son, I literally shed a tear when I think that abortion was even a consideration.)
The road I traveled has not been easy but, it was/is well worth the trip.
Although I was an agnostic, pro choice liberal back then, I was still personally against abortion and decided against my mother's recommendation (although I briefly considered it). The idea just did not sit well for me. (Maybe this was a sign that being a somewhat conservative, Born Again follower of Christ was in my future.
)Fast forward to 2006: I have been married to that 'girlfriend' for 16 1/2 years and have an AWESOME 16 y/o son (who happens to know more about cars than yours truly), a TERRIFIC 14 y/o daughter (who I suspect may have a future in US politics), and a surprise blessing on the way. (When I look at my son, I literally shed a tear when I think that abortion was even a consideration.)
The road I traveled has not been easy but, it was/is well worth the trip.
10-27-2006, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
(When I look at my son, I literally shed a tear when I think that abortion was even a consideration.)
I can imagine.
I just found out that my friend and his wife are having trouble having a child. They have been trying for a couple of years now, but apparently there is a problem with her. They are now contemplating finding an egg donor, and are both pretty down about the whole situation.
The sad twist,.. is that my friends wife had been pregnant before, and had an abortion.