I think he was meaning more towards being extreme one way or the other = ignorant?

 

Punishable by death?

 

let me throw this out there. Take a female who is 1 month pregnant. I kill her baby. Is it considered murder if she wants the baby but an abortion if she doesnt?

 

You cant compare the two because its in HER body. Its HER choice.

 

That's a ridiculous scenario and I'm not even going to say anything about it.

 

I'm illustrating the slippery slope of how you define life. In one scenario it is OK, in the other it could be considered murder with all things being equal other than the sentiments of the mother.

 

Thats the same as argueing that if some one was suicidal and you decided to shoot them in the head that you are not guilty of murder. "Well Judge, he wanted to off himself anyways." Good luck with that one.

Agreed.

 

You murdering her child and her having it aborted are NOT the same thing. Legally you have no right to do that, and she has all the right in the world.

Morally I can see where you're heading, but it's still not the same thing.

 

Is she able to legally drive in the carpool lane? Does she have to pay an additional "per person" charge everywhere she went?

As for your scenario, either way, it is an unfortunate circumstance and it would be trearted as assult and battery. The severity of the punishment would be determined by your intent.

 

wrong. Its more tantamount to doctors assisted suicide vs murder. Guess where the court stands on this?

 

There is a difference between taking an infant who's 1 month old and killing it and having an abortion. I hope you know where to draw that line.

 

Yet another instance where the courts side with religion rather than the will of the people.

 

Our country was built on religion sooooooooo...

 

1 month pregnant. I said the only difference between the 2 is whehter the mother wants the baby or not.

Another similar situation is say the mother doesnt want the baby but the father does, the mother would rather abort the baby than give it to the father.

 

Yeah, my 5 month old REALLY know precisely how big a burden he is. That's a ridiculous point of view.
Plenty of people would have better lives by making the decision NOT to have a baby rather than raising one indifferently or incompetently. My mom had me when she was 16 and I was raised by my grandparents (thank God for them!) My brother came along when she was 21. Guess what? He's a completely different, less successful, weed-smoking, less educated person, much as I love him.
I honestly shudder to think what would've happened had I been raised in that same household! Of course I love my Mom to death, I just realize that 16-year-olds should have an out (with parental consent) versus fucking it up for the child, you know?

 

 

You're completely ignorant to the process of pregnancy yet making bold statements to the contrary.

Like it or not, a child in the womb is a child. If refusing to accept that is the only way you can support your own right to abortion than that is most certainly ignorant.

Nevertheless, no. I'm not labelling you an ignorant person. I think you have a rather ignorant view on this subject but I think you're just a child yourself. You're 19, and 5 years ago I probably thought the same way as you. In fact, if I did, it's probably documented here.

Fact remains, your life will change exponentially over the next few years and it won't be long until you learn think like a rational adult, accept responsibility, and be a man. At the very least, you'll learn to research your views before solidifying them and arguing them.

So no, you're not ignorant. You're simply uninformed. Young dumb and full of cum, as they say.

I'm speaking from no bias here. We're both on the SAME SIDE of this issue. I simply can't support inaccurate reasoning just to bolster our shared stance.

 

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Very true. You were lucky that your grand parents were around to help raise you. Anyone woman can give birth to a child. It takes a more mature person to be a parent.

 

Relax. It's just sickening to me, that's all. If you can go out and get yourself pregnant then you can deal with the consequences.

Oh and btw, you are far from even slightly funny so I'd just quit now if I were you

 

Not everyone can/wants or should deal with the consequeces. There are a lot of people that should not be parents. Personally, I would rather if they had an abortion than read about another child killed by a parent.

 

It's a little thing called adoption......

No, it isn't fair to the child but it's also not fair for that growing human being to not have a chance to live.

 

So because there are some (very few) parents who kill their children, that makes abortion OK in all cases? Poor argument.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Gentlemen, you do realize there are such things as condoms and practices such as pulling out that when used together damn near guarantee you never have to consider abortion?

Ultimately, most of us are men and have absolutely no say in this matter. It's a womens choice. You have the option of very easily preventing yourself from getting a woman pregnant. If you're not prepared to deal with the consequences, maybe you shouldn't be commiting to the act of reproduction?

Like I've said, I'm pro-choice because I believe it's a woman's right to choose. Some of you guys, however, seem to be pro-choice only to justify careless behavior. Sickening.

 

I'm leaving on this note:

IMO adoption is the best way to go. Having an abortion is something that will remain in a women's mind forever. Why not give the baby a chance to live? If you weren't planning on becoming pregnant and you do not want/can't take care of a child then let someone else do it. There are tons of people who would love to make a good home for somebody. Abortion is a quick and easy way out.


A, feel free to unleash your unamusing remarks.

 

Your right, adoption should be the first option. I completly agree. But sometimes adoption just is not an answer. Its hard for the woman to carry a child for 9 months, get attatched, to just give it away.

 

Your right, but there is just at freak chance that the birth control fails. Not saying that it happens often, but it does happen.

 

Between condoms, the pill, and safe practices... there is absolutely no way a woman can get pregnant. It's just not happening.

If you're ejaculating in a girl and relying on only the pill to save you, than yeah... it can happen... and you should be prepared for it. Otherwise, you should be safer.

If you don't want children and you have no say on the matter of abortion, why leave control over GETTING pregnant to the woman? Use your head.

 

Yeah, your right.... But never say never.

A girl I work with was on the pill & her husband was wearing a condom.. She got pregnant.

 

Basically what I've been trying to say this whole time. There is a big difference between abortion as a convienence and abortion as a neccessity.

 

But where is the line drawn between convienence & neccessity?

 

Rape and death of the mother as neccesity are a good place to start. But's something that's going to vary to each person, just like the point of when the baby becomes human or alive

 

I guess I must have missed the part where I posted my uninformed point of view regarding pregnancy. You know damn well that the question of when life actually begins is a huge part of this debate. Scientifically, ok, the blastocyst that forms is a child (or will become one), but many people do not consider a cluster of cells to be an actual human child. (as you said earlier, the "crutch" that helps many people rationalize their decision to abort)

As far as the subject matter at hand, abortion, I think I am very well informed. Yes, I'm still a kid, but a kid who had to make a very adult decision two years ago. I may be no expert on the science of pregnancy, but I certainly know what it feels like to be in some of these situations. I also know quite a bit about abortions, procedures, etc. so if anyone ever had questions I could definitely be of use.

I just don't see where I'm so uninformed.

 

No birth control method is 100% effective except abstinence! So unless we don't want to have any sex at all, we always risk at least a little something.

 

That's the best part about Internet debates. Everyone always knows someone whose had something extraordinary happen to them...

You weren't in bed with them and you have absolutely no idea what went on under those covers.

Get serious.

We're not talking about disease here.

If she's on the pill, you wear a condom, and you pull out... there is absolutely no chance she will get pregnant. You can/should take that even a step further and DON'T have sex when she's ovulating.

Use common sense, and safe practices, and there is no chance your partner will ever have to make this decision.

Abortion is not a proportionate response to carelessness.

 

I agree...it's just one of those 1/1000000 things that can happen. But hey, a lot of the scenarios we're throwing out there in this topic are not all that common...

 

So everytime you have sex and wear a condom, you pull out too?

Your reaching!

 

Completly right, Completly heresay. But by you saying that wearing a condom, the pill, and pulling out resolves all problems, I think is a little ignorant.

 

Soopa, let me ask you this... Have you ever been faced with this problem?