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Old 06-10-2020 | 10:08 AM
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Old 06-10-2020 | 01:50 PM
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Just a bit too low for me, the silver/gray one above > the white just above.
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Old 06-10-2020 | 04:16 PM
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Whoa momma...

Alpina reveals the D5S...

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Old 06-10-2020 | 04:16 PM
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More pics and info here: https://www.motor1.com/news/428048/2...pina-5-series/
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I am so sick of tired of seeing those Alpina wheels... classic? yes... boring? yes x10

But that looks like the ultimate sleeper
Old 06-10-2020 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
I am so sick of tired of seeing those Alpina wheels... classic? yes... boring? yes x10

But that looks like the ultimate sleeper
Funny, but I think the opposite. I love those wheels, but it has to be the whole Alpina package. It can't be some rip off, BS wheels on some other type of car or BMW for that matter. But that's just me.
But I will say my favorites are by HRE. They make the best wheels I can never afford. Someday.





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Old 06-10-2020 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
I am so sick of tired of seeing those Alpina wheels... classic? yes... boring? yes x10

But that looks like the ultimate sleeper
Would you like someone to photoshop the buckteef of the new 4er onto one to make you feel better?
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Old 06-10-2020 | 08:39 PM
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Alpina literally put that shit on everything like a hot sauce...

It doesn't matter if the car is a sedan, coupe, suv.. 3 series, or 7 series.
HRE has about 20 or 30 different designs... Alpina has like what 2?

actually no.. just 1 design across their current lineup...

Originally Posted by mrmako
Funny, but I think the opposite. I love those wheels, but it has to be the whole Alpina package. It can't be some rip off, BS wheels on some other type of car or BMW for that matter. But that's just me.
But I will say my favorites are by HRE. They make the best wheels I can never afford. Someday.



Old 06-10-2020 | 08:40 PM
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Would you like someone to photoshop the buckteef of the new 4er onto one to make you feel better?
Hey you never know... it might look less ugly in person... if they offered me $15k off.. . buckteeth or no teeth, i would take it.
Old 06-10-2020 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Hey you never know... it might look less ugly in person... if they offered me $15k off.. . buckteeth or no teeth, i would take it.
FWIW, I would hope you have SOME standards, man. I know it's a BMW but c'mon...that's clear mockery of what constitutes a nice vehicle and even with $15K off, you're driving some supreme ugliness with performance, IMO, you an replicate in a nicer looking vehicle.

That being said, get what you like -- but, if I were to stay in BMW-land, I'd say a preowned 6er GC for the same price?
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Old 06-10-2020 | 11:50 PM
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Old 06-10-2020 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmako
Funny, but I think the opposite. I love those wheels, but it has to be the whole Alpina package. It can't be some rip off, BS wheels on some other type of car or BMW for that matter. But that's just me.
But I will say my favorites are by HRE. They make the best wheels I can never afford. Someday.
You have great taste, man.

I have seen those on other cars before, and they instantly caught my eye.
Old 06-11-2020 | 12:24 PM
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FWIW, I would hope you have SOME standards, man. I know it's a BMW but c'mon...that's clear mockery of what constitutes a nice vehicle and even with $15K off, you're driving some supreme ugliness with performance, IMO, you an replicate in a nicer looking vehicle.

That being said, get what you like -- but, if I were to stay in BMW-land, I'd say a preowned 6er GC for the same price?
Too early to tell... i have standard.. it is just not as important as $$

We will see.. i still have some time..

6GC has a regular trunk with tiny opening... only 4GC is a full hatch, 2GC, 6GC and 8GC all have regular trunks..
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Not a bad option for an affordable and usable DD ... would drive this over a SUV or CUV any day, every day ....

Bid stands at US$20k with 2 hrs left on auction ....

No Reserve: 2013 Mercedes-Benz E350 4MATIC Wagon




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Old 06-11-2020 | 01:26 PM
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$20k isn't bad, but a bit more than I'd go for a 2013.
Does look nicely optioned, though.
Old 06-11-2020 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Too early to tell... i have standard.. it is just not as important as $$

We will see.. i still have some time..

6GC has a regular trunk with tiny opening... only 4GC is a full hatch, 2GC, 6GC and 8GC all have regular trunks..
It's a first-world prob but really man, I know it's not RWD but you really should re-consider the Sportbacks from Hyundaudi.

You turn on the sports mode in the S or RS and honestly, I don't think you'll care it's AWD.
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Old 06-11-2020 | 03:13 PM
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You can buy Doug DeMuro's E63 wagon right now on his new bidding site. I think it was at like $32k last time I checked. The spec of that one above is awesome though, great combo. It's no red but it's pretty good.

Also, the 6GC has a normal trunk? I thought it was hatch?

Might as well go Kia Stinger for 75% off the MSRP and call it good. Or a Panamera.
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Old 06-11-2020 | 05:13 PM
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It's a first-world prob but really man, I know it's not RWD but you really should re-consider the Sportbacks from Hyundaudi.

You turn on the sports mode in the S or RS and honestly, I don't think you'll care it's AWD.
Audi does not want me as their customer... their leasing program sucks balls
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Old 06-11-2020 | 05:17 PM
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You can buy Doug DeMuro's E63 wagon right now on his new bidding site. I think it was at like $32k last time I checked. The spec of that one above is awesome though, great combo. It's no red but it's pretty good.

Also, the 6GC has a normal trunk? I thought it was hatch?

Might as well go Kia Stinger for 75% off the MSRP and call it good. Or a Panamera.
Nope.. the only GC with Hatch from BMW is the 4GC.






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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Audi does not want me as their customer... their leasing program sucks balls
Ah. I have never looked at leasing a vehicle.
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Old 06-11-2020 | 06:55 PM
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Ah. I have never looked at leasing a vehicle.
I can't change gf/wife every 3 years, the least i can do is change cars every 2-3 years

Just to give you an example how shitty Audi's leasing program is compare to BMW's.

a $83k RS5 sportback is around $1200-$1350 a month with $3k drive off in 2020
a $83k M4 is about $900 or less with the same $3k drive off in 2020

The same structure applies to 3 series/A4S4 and 4 series/A5S5

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Old 06-11-2020 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
I can't change gf/wife every 3 years, the least i can do is change cars every 2-3 years

Just to give you an example how shitty Audi's leasing program is compare to BMW's.

a $83k RS5 sportback is around $1200-$1350 a month with $3k drive off in 2020
a $83k M4 is about $900 or less with the same $3k drive off in 2020

The same structure applies to 3 series/A4S4 and 4 series/A5S5
Go figure. Not sure why Audi is not being competitive with BMW...?

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Yumcha, here you go (off wagon topic, but on topic for a 6 GC)

2017 BMW 640i Grand Coupe

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2016 BMW 328i XDrive Wagon



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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
I can't change gf/wife every 3 years, the least i can do is change cars every 2-3 years

Just to give you an example how shitty Audi's leasing program is compare to BMW's.

a $83k RS5 sportback is around $1200-$1350 a month with $3k drive off in 2020
a $83k M4 is about $900 or less with the same $3k drive off in 2020

The same structure applies to 3 series/A4S4 and 4 series/A5S5
You can change the gf/wife every 2/3 years. But the residual value is absolutely horrible, plus depreciation.
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I saw one running in my area ... white, 328d, wagon, and xDrive, with roof racks.

Looked exactly like this





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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Nope.. the only GC with Hatch from BMW is the 4GC.
That's stupid.

Originally Posted by oonowindoo
I can't change gf/wife every 3 years, the least i can do is change cars every 2-3 years

Just to give you an example how shitty Audi's leasing program is compare to BMW's.

a $83k RS5 sportback is around $1200-$1350 a month with $3k drive off in 2020
a $83k M4 is about $900 or less with the same $3k drive off in 2020

The same structure applies to 3 series/A4S4 and 4 series/A5S5
Why is that and how do they still manage to be competitive? I'd imagine a huge portion of their sales are still leases just like BMW and Benz. Is it that they compensate with lower selling price?
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That's my thought. MSRP on the RS5s range from $75-98k depending on options, but I see them advertised anywhere from $3-10k off. It's actually pretty hilarious that new RS5 SBs are advertised for $71k (with an msrp of $81k) when similarly spec'd used RS5 SBs are listed for the same with 10k miles.

I think Audi, like BMW, make most of their money off lease specials, so A4s, 328s, etc. The M3/4 probably just has a higher residual. But I'm sure if you worked on it, you can get an RS5 lease for around the same.
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Go figure. Not sure why Audi is not being competitive with BMW...?
I have been asking that question for years... i even asked the Finance Manager when i worked for Audi...

They all wish Audi could do better on their leasing program.. that means deals and more sales.. for everyone..

But nope..
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That's stupid.



Why is that and how do they still manage to be competitive? I'd imagine a huge portion of their sales are still leases just like BMW and Benz. Is it that they compensate with lower selling price?
That is stupid.. considering A7/S7 is a full hatch.. But it is BMW... they dont care

I dont know why.. it is not like it is helping their resale value or anything.. they all suck when it comes to that.... I know BMW has very low Money factor (Interest) and high RV, which makes their lease significantly more attractive than Audi..

Audi's sales # could be very close to BMW's if they chose to...
Old 06-12-2020 | 01:22 PM
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You can change the gf/wife every 2/3 years. But the residual value is absolutely horrible, plus depreciation.
But during the first 6-12 months, reliability and driving enjoyment are both excellent!
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That's my thought. MSRP on the RS5s range from $75-98k depending on options, but I see them advertised anywhere from $3-10k off. It's actually pretty hilarious that new RS5 SBs are advertised for $71k (with an msrp of $81k) when similarly spec'd used RS5 SBs are listed for the same with 10k miles.

I think Audi, like BMW, make most of their money off lease specials, so A4s, 328s, etc. The M3/4 probably just has a higher residual. But I'm sure if you worked on it, you can get an RS5 lease for around the same.

Residual is the biggest component of a lease though and it can't be negotiated. If they are going to bone you on the residual for a $80k car, your payment is going to be through the roof without substantial rebates or incentives applied.
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But during the first 6-12 months, reliability and driving enjoyment are both excellent!
GF maybe.. wife? soon you will be living on the street
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GF maybe.. wife? soon you will be living on the street
So it'll be just like an Audi and leave you stranded on the side of the road?
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But during the first 6-12 months, reliability and driving enjoyment are both excellent!
So like anything else in this world, the newness of the shiny object is great. After you ride it for a while the luster is gone. Oh, and the warranty has expired. That means high maintenance costs, unless being stranded on the side of the road (see above) is appealing. So better to lease than settle down for the long haul .

Um, am I talking about cars or... Ah never mind.
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So like anything else in this world, the newness of the shiny object is great. After you ride it for a while the luster is gone. Oh, and the warranty has expired. That means high maintenance costs, unless being stranded on the side of the road (see above) is appealing. So better to lease than settle down for the long haul .

Um, am I talking about cars or... Ah never mind.
It's really tough to match that shiny newness once it's gone. But it never lasts very long.

On the other hand, with every exciting session, you feel a better connection, and less hesitant. Your bodies feel more connected. I have gone through the cycle of trying something new every few years, but as I get older the nagging feeling of sticking with something that's less of a headache long term would be great. You also realize its the little things that matter.

We're just talking about cars, man.
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