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Well one way to find out is to measure it, coming from the measurement & standards calibration business. The internet is packed with fiction instead of facts. I do remember though reading if they advertized X mph, it actually did it, not that it matters on public roads.

And if what you say is true, by how much more, 5 HP, 50 HP, 100 HP or 150 HP? And at the moment based on their 518 HP claim from a 4 liter engine, that already makes it the most powerful engine based on displacement.

SamDoe1

A lot of it has to do with testing procedures and how numbers are reported. There isn't really a set standard on this.

Is the C8 Z06 even available in Europe? I can't find anywhere that's saying it is. I know that they said it will eventually get there but don't think it's there yet. Either way, it'll still be a hell of a lot cheaper than a GT3 RS.

Measure it is easy but you likely know that the amount of power an engine makes has a lot of variables that go beyond the measurement system. Even if you have a calibrated dyno, an engine can make vastly different power when the ambient temp is 100F in Denver vs 60F at sea level. Not to mention fuel used, how warm the engine is, how old the oil is, etc. Generally, the euro companies will report a "worst case" engine power output value whereas many American companies lean towards a "best case" power output value which is why a lot of people say that the euro cars underrate the engine output.

Tech

There are two that I know of from what I have seen in magazines in the very distant past. For example 424 bhp vs 430 hp for the same vehicle. So about a 1.4% max. difference and I highly doubt and I'll bet you won't see a 10% difference. Never bothered to look it up since I am not a power hound, but I am sure you can Google it.

There are a few C8 Z06 in Europe. They could have been brought in by one of the military guys. No doubt the C8 will be cheaper, but then companies can charge whatever they want which does not have anything to do with production costs. I know both of my cars well, really well and the Vettes of two of my friends does not compare quality wise. And from what I have seen in news reports of dead owners (as John Wayne would say "too much gun") in their C8 in accidents, no thanks.

As a commercial pilot and past flight instructor, I know about pressure and temperature, so you are preaching to the wrong guy about density altitude.

By the way, one of my neighbors with a 2017 C7 has a heads-up display. He was so impressed with it. Well I am not in an F-18 and really do not want the distraction of that in my car, any car. Strange that Porsche still does not have that gimmick. I was asked by another driver on the track "how fast were you going at the end of the straight". Hell, I don't know and the instructor said "good answer". I am driving and don't have time to look at a speedo.

Legend2TL

No worries, you're a good guy. My recent Porsche quality woes are just some experience with my brother's (two 911's, 996 and 993 and three Cayenne's including a GTS and a Turbo). While in general they've come along way from a quality point of view, but there still are some nagging issues I see in a variety of parts used on them. My brother's Cayenne Turbo was rock solid til 100k then alot of problems came up surprisingly. Also basically agree with Toyota being slightly above Honda in overall quality for a slew of reasons (that's a long topic onto itself).

We all have our perspectives on the C8 and 911, one thing that I think is how much the two have converged over the past couple decades. While the Corvette has traditionally been more of a grand tourer (more 928 based than 911), the 911 was perhaps more sporty with less creature comforts/luxuries. That's been changing with the 997/991/992 with the 911 becoming more of a GT car while the C8 with it's mid-engine design shows it moving it toward more sportiness which shows the two cars are alot more aligned than any period in their both respected long histories. One area I still give to the 911 over the C8 is more space efficiency as despite it's larger size the C8 is not very space efficient and can feel slightly cramped inside.

As for the GT3 and C8 Z06, SG did a great comparison. For me both are far more than what I'd want for the street as the base model for each car is more appealing for what I want.







Good point, gotta wonder how they'd select the shim without having measured the clearance first.



As Mercedes F1 technical director James Allison said in F1 success is 40% chassis 40% powertrain 20% driver. I haven't heard any MotoGP comparison, but I'd put the rider at 40%

00TL-P3.2

^ At least 40%, if not a bit more.
Chassis plays a good role, and the past couple seasons the Ducati powertrain has been a monster, but having to be much more physical with the vehicle [compared to F1] I'd put rider involvement a bit higher. Being able to get it leaned as far as it'll grip without dumping it, managing the weight tfr on heavy braking/accelerating all while steering on 1 wheel

Legend2TL

~40 years ago Fast Freddie Spencer was the first (?) 500cc Grand Prix Motorcyclist to start doing two wheel drifts on his NS500. Truly stunning to watch any cyclist do that.

Tech

Now you are taking me back in time when I watched FF win both the 250 and 500 GP championships in the same year. FF was always a very humble guy.

There was Eddie Lawson, Anton Mang, Randy Mamola (the showman) and others.

Interesting how riding styles changed over time.

Its too bad the street version in the mid 80s from Honda wasn't a 500. I went for the Suzuki RG500 Gamma which was the truest of the repli-racers. Sorry I sold it, but I still have the BMW R100 GS that it bought.

Legend2TL

Add to that King Kenny Roberts, Wayne Rainey, Kevin Schwantz,....

That was a golden era for American roadracers dominating the world.

As for the 500 from Honda, the VF500F Interceptor was a four stroke V4 Honda cafe bike from the mid-80's/

Tech

The battle between Wayne Rainey and Wayne Gardner till that one unlucky day for Rainey as he never made a mistake. And that was the only championship that Schwantz won. There was Doohan who was unbeatable but with lots of injuries.

The street version Honda NS400 three-cylinder two stroke should have been a 500. The Yamaha RZ500 four-cylinder two stroke was the other repli-racer, but the Suzuki RG500 Gamma was by far the best repli-racer at 340 pounds, 95 HP and the most advaned. The Interceptors were street 4-strokes.

Legend2TL

Those Gamma were very special, literally race bikes for the street. Were they ever sold in the US, I thought for some reason they were Euro and Asia market only. A colleague had a RZ350, which he loved riding until unfortunately it was stolen and couldn't find another used one. A older colleague was part of a riding club with Kawasaki 2-strokes riders, he had a couple Mach3/4 triple's.

Forgot to mention Rainey, another great US rider. Tragedy about his Monza crash Probably woulda won at least 1-3 more championships. IIRC Lawson claimed Rainey was the best rider he ever raced against.

Tech

Correct, the Gamma was never sold in the US, but I sold it to a guy in Florida.

The Gamma had it all, two cranks for the square-four cylinder layout, four flat-slide carbs, all aluminum frame with the air cleaner in the steering head as part of a casting which added strength, aluminum swingarm, two x four piston calipers up front and a dual piston in the rear, a cartridge transmission and very nice bodywork. Not a big deal today, but this was back in 1986 almost 40 years ago. And the 340 pounds and nimble. I'd hit a max of 225 kph or 139 mph, but by todays standards, slow, but it was only a 500 cc or 30 ci. Quarter-mile in 11.2s. When the power valve activated at ~7200 RPM, it felt like a hammer hitting your butt in the first few gears.

I have driven the Kawasaki H2, H1 and the 400 triple two-strokes. I liked the H2...power comes on like a light switch in that 750.

I'm very sorry I sold the Gamma and my 1975 Honda CB400F Super Sport.

Legend2TL

That's musta been a awesome ownership experience of your Gamma (which looks great BTW), remember alot of 80's motorcycle magazines had articles and reviews of them with the discouraging note of no US sales.

The older colleague that had the Kawasaki triple's said they were easy to have some tank-slapper moments and eventually got into BMW R's and K100's.

Legend2TL

00TL-P3.2

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Legend2TL

Jason Cammisa is an amazing story teller, never knew EB110 was such a show developing it. Also never knew the engine is offset to one side due to the integrated gearbox.

Legend2TL

nist7

Legend2TL

Jody Scheckter is selling off his racing car collection through RM Sotheby

That 312T4 is so cool looking , he only paid $75k for it post championship

00TL-P3.2

Never liked the 'razor blade'-nosed Ferrari

Legend2TL

Enzo called it the 312T4 a "lawnmower Ferrari" Forghieri, Scheckter, and Villeneuve loved it though.
Forghieri claimed in some interview that the chisel nose was to get as much clean air into the venturi tunnels despite the wide flat-12 in the rear section affecting the flow.

Scheckter talks in the interview about getting Villeneuve onboard with moving the lower exhaust pipes to the upper pipe location to widen the rear diffusor area. Forghieri was against the idea and after a bad race before Enzo summoned all of them into his office Monday morning, where the driver's both wanted the pipes moved to get more downforce.

One of the weird thing of the interview is Scheckter is not as charitable about Villeneuve as he was in prior interviews in the past. Perhaps in his old age his views have changed.

mrmako

That was an interesting video. Kind of nice to hear from the people that built the car what they were thinking at that time. Sadly I can not afford one now.

Legend2TL

knight rider

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That story is certainly one for the books! Somehow, that old LS still looks good. I think Lexus'? Lexus's? appeal has waned over the last 10 years due to styling choices (first "too bland" then the Predator grill) and increasingly more competition in the segment. The former keeps me out of their showroom.

mrmako

Honestly, the JDM Toyotas are better looking than their identical cousins at Lexus.

Legend2TL

I never posted my video before of startup of a McLaren F1 LM (one of only six made) at Amelia Concurs few years ago. It was pretty cool to see, this is the Chicago owner's LM. Still looking for Lauda's 312T Ferrari startup from another year


Also a former Bobby Isaac #71 NASCAR Superbird

Legend2TL

According to those that knew and worked with him, Ferdinand Piëch was more prickly than a porcupine. Didn't know Piëch was the one who ordered the first 911 be a dry sump deign.

knight rider

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There were some automotive icons that crossed the block, but STILL I think the event got the best of the bidders. This is what happens when you have FU money and want to win a pissing contest.

00TL-P3.2

G 6x6 meh. As much as I love the G-Wagen, the 6x6 does nothing for me. Would rather the 4x4^2
765LT But don't love the color combo
Diablo VT: That one I'd have
Corvette: Would prefer a standard over a restomod YMMV
F12 TdF: Not my favorite model, but it's a nice spec
Ford GT: Crazy money for it, IMO.
Carrera GT: Another -worthy one, but maybe not in yellow
540K: Awesome, never seen one other than photos. And a price!
Chiron: Most Bugatti cars don't do a lot for me. Respect for what they can do, but if I had FU money, a Bug wouldn't probably crack the top 10
Gullwing: My #1 Grail car, in nearly my grail spec. Make the tan interior blue & keep the plaid [blue not green] and I'm in! $3.1M I remember when they were in the $800k range.

knight rider

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Agreed on the 6x6. Just give me a G63 and I'm good. That Corvette was well done but appalling to me. Can't believe it sold for that much. The yellow (and very rare) Carrera GT was the showstopper for me. And I agree that the Gullwing is one of THE most iconic cars ever.

Still (and I'm no expert on collectible car prices) every car that went across the block sold for more than what they were actually worth.

Oh - you need to reconsider your top ten if a Bug isn't in it.

00TL-P3.2

Respect for the Bug, but my top 10 is full of Mercedes & Koenigsegg. A Bug might make #10

civicdrivr

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A Bug would be in my top 10, but it's an EB110, not a Veyron or Chiron. I admire the tech that's in them and how brutally fast they are while maintaining that level of luxury though.

I was thinking something similar though - Ferraris, Koenigseggs, Pagani would take up most spots, with a rare MB/BMW rounding out the top ten.
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civicdrivr

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Great, now I'm actually putting thought behind my top 10

​​​​​​In no particular order:

288 GTO
F50
Pagani Zonda
K'segg CCXR
Diablo GT
MB E63S Estate (gotta have a daily, right?)
EB110
NA2 NSX
850CSi
Lucid Air Sapphire (gotta have another daily when the E63 is in the shop, right?)

knight rider

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Because this is what car guy do, I'll bite. Top 5.

1. Pagani Huayra
2. Hennessey Venom GT
3. Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
4. Ferrari F12 TdF
5. Bugatti Chiron

civicdrivr

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After seeing this video I'm going to remove the 850CSi from the list and replace it with a GMA T.50.

https://youtu.be/cmR2mWBi3co

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Good choice on the 8C btw.

Shadow2056

I'll bite too:

1. Audi RS6 Avant
2. Audi RS5 Competition
3. 2018 BMW M3
4. Lamborghini Huracan
5. Porsche 911 GT3

Hypercars are great. But if I added one to the list, it would be the Koenigsegg Gemera.

00TL-P3.2

Top 4 in actual order, the rest as I could fill it

1: 300SL Gullwing
2: E63 Estate
3: Koenigsegg Agera
4: Mercedes 190E EVO II
5: AMG G-Wagen
6: Ferrari 360CS
7: E39 M5
8: Lotus/Caterham Seven
9: 66 Mustang GT350
10: SLR McLaren

Hard to leave off the McLaren F1 & the GMA T50/T33

Legend2TL

In no particular order
1) McLaren F1
2) Ferrari F40
3) Porsche 928GTS 5MT
4) BMW M3 CSL
5) Nissan 432Z
6) NSX Type S (2022)
7) Ferrari LaFerrari

Have of think of three more.....

PhilB81

my crazy garage

1) Pagani Zonda (later version, but with manual and convertible)
2) GMA T.50 ( to be fair, looks wise, I don’t care for it, but specs wise it appears to be an absolute gem )
3) Porsche 918
4) Ferrari 812 GTS (I could go with a LaFerrari here but since I already have 3 hypercars, I’m keeping it realistic, you know…)
5) Diablo
6) Porsche GT3 (either a 997.2 RS, or a 991.2 manual)
7) Alpina B5 Touring (the E63 many of you picked is a great choice, I just wanted to be different and I think the Alpina is more softly sprung, but the bark of the AMG engine is definitely better)
8) G-wagon 4x4^2 (ego / short man syndrome)
9) NA2 NSX Type S
10) 3rd Gen TL types manual

the #1 on the list is definitely the #1, the rest can swap around places.

00TL-P3.2

Dang, forgot about the Zonda
Would likely drop one of mine for a Zonda