Rick_TL-S

The value yes, but it doesn't change the fact that even then, the upkeep is still not as exaggerated as VinWiki's video believes. The second owner's comments are made in direct response to that video.

nist7

Yeah...I remember watching a youtuber who was talking about a friend of his looking to buy a F40. They had to go through Lloyd's of London and one of the many stipulation was that the car could not be out of owner's sight at anytime and it was also ridiculously low miles per year and it was like $20k/yr for insurance premium.

I would imagine similar or even more strict rules for a F1 since that's worth many many times that of a F40

Yeah if you have to "stretch" to get a F1...you are woefully unable to properly own one.

That vinwiki video on the mclaren owner said he bought his F1 that had a recent factory service within 4months of his purchase...and then when McLaren took a look again they quoted him $250,000 of maintenance/repairs...lol...

Costco

I haven't followed their values but I'm fairly confident that an F1's appreciation easily outpaces standard maintenance costs. A limited-edition one like an LM? By several orders of magnitude, probably.

If anything, not having the expected service records will drop its value.

Costco

Standard-spec F1 sold at $14.2M in 2017. Looks like there are only 7 street-legal examples in the US.

https://www.motor1.com/news/177307/m...en-f1-auction/

Sell your F1 and put that money towards a T.50

srika

There are 2 in Chicago, one Is an orange LM

that i keep missing opportunities to take photos of. They took it out on the racetrack this year and i missed it. Oh along with a silver regular F1. Yes- they had two at Autobahn this year and I missed it. I’m a little bitter.

nist7

Oh 100%. It's Ferrari level of originality/factory everything x1000. ANY missed maintenance record will definitely turn buyers off. People who can drop 10+ millions on essentially a luxury/investment piece...will be meticulous and not accept any less....since they know future sale will be lower in number if the upkeep has been anything less than perfect.

Wow only 7 street-legal ones in the US? Guessing Leno is 1 of 7.

Doom878

Does it take a few minutes to open this thread? Are we going to need to open another like in the "What are you doing today" thread?

Rick_TL-S

I don't think there would be any significant depreciation, though. The cars are so rarely up for sale in the public eye (off market, only 1-2 change hands every year), that values are determined by the last few sold (like 288s, F50s, etc.). And because pretty much nearly all 100 of them are still kept track of, serious buyers won't bypass bidding on one if it's overdue for some maintenance needs. Many of the new owners send their cars back to McLaren anyway for retro-fitting or new cosmetics so they'll bring the cars up to date at that time.

The only cars that will likely take a huge hit are the examples like the Mexico car or the Brunei cars where no one knows what's going on. However, the lore & determination behind getting these examples back into the public light is big enough where people will likely still bid 8 figures for the opportunity.
1 of 7 legalized through Ameritech. All the examples are now legal under the Show & Display. According to a F1 tech I follow on IG, examples worldwide never put on more than 800 miles a year.

BTW, that particular chassis #044 is said to belong in the hands of a certain F1 driver with the same distinction.

Rick_TL-S

Mate, people will drop $2+ million on a barn-find Daytona just because it's a one-off alloy-model, even though that's way, way above the normal market value for perfectly good Daytonas. Owner also has to be fully responsible for the Classiche costs as well as sending the car to Ferrari for a factory restoration. This example Daytona will likely run the new owner in excess of $3 million when all is said and done. Last I heard in 2019, she was still in restoration.

The rich love living by different questionable decisions to us.
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/201...i-only-auction

nist7

Man.....when you have that much money.....you could probably restore almost anything to OEM spec...I think Honda is doing a NSX restoration program, Nissan has one for GT-R I believe...and of course for Ferrari and McLaren and such....if you have an ultra rare car...I'm sure if you have 7 figures to burn and years to wait...you can get factory-new level of restoration given those kinds of resources....Savagegeese recent LFA video said some parts have to be literally made new at the Lexus/Toyota factory due to rarity and they obviously don't keep those kinds of parts in stock.... must be nice....

edit: Didn't Mr. Bean's F1 also get insanely wrecked and had to be essentially rebuilt by McLaren?

00TL-P3.2

He wrecked it twice, IIRC. The 2nd time just about split the car in 2.

nist7

lol...twice?? Oh boy....did they have to essentially re-make a new tub and frames I'm assuming....

SamDoe1

Yep. Still didn't total it though lol. Also I'm pretty sure he sold it for a substantial profit.

00TL-P3.2

IIRC, the 'tub' wasn't significantly damaged, but I believe the engine/rear end was separated from the car.

Still worth millions.

Rick_TL-S

Tthey have the resources to build a new tub according to the F1 tech on IG. It sounds like they could pretty much build an entirely new car if they wanted to.

srika

from 2015
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/09/rowa...2-million.html

mrmako

If anyone noticed, the Grand Tour released another episode 2 weeks ago. Haven't seen much chatter here about it. It was OK. Interesting that Clarkson took a Continental GT and, well, I won't spoil it if you haven't seen it. Good routine by the guys, but not as much vehicle focus IMO.

nist7

When Top Gear (with the OG trio) got really popular about 10 years ago the reason was not that they were true car show but they were an entertainement variety show that used cars as props - IMO.

If you watch some of the first few seasons of original Top Gear episodes..they were MUCH more car-oriented and no one watched it and it pretty much sucked outside of true car enthusiasts.

Then I'm sure the hosts/producers knew about it and tried to make it much more entertainment accessible/understandable for the lay person and their popularity took off like crazy.

I used to watch it quite a bit about 8-10 years ago at the peak of their popularity and they were basically more of an entertainment show and do all kinds of random stunts with a fairly generic review of some ultra expensive car review....their photography/videography was also really good for that time but then I think it became stale/formulaic/non-changing for a while and I lost interest and haven't seen an episode in years.

Then you have Clarkson's ego finally got so big that he actually assaulted a production staff and was rightfully fired by the BBC. It wasn't surprising to see some of the car community still backing him but I was disappointed...as also Hammond and May who also stuck with Clarkson to have their own show revived on Amazon since those 3's image/popularity is worth a tooon of mooola

I used to be fairly regular poster on a Top Gear forum long time ago but they were a bunch of snobbyists who only accepted the OG Trio as "real" Top Gear and also defended Clarkson when he finally was shown to the world what an egomaniacal asshole he was. I was very supportive of BBC's efforts to expand Top Gear such as Top Gear America and other places as a way to expand our passion to the public...and some of the forum guys were very gate-keeping and says the only good TG is the OG Trio and that any other TG is trash.

My personal unpopular opinion is that Top Gear used to be good WAY back in the day....then they had to move the show into more accessible entertainment for the lay public to get super popular and it really stopped become a car show long time ago...and then you see Clarkson becoming such a massive egotistical asshole that he actually assaults people and I have no interest in watching or supporting anything he is involved with at this point.

Be interesting to see what AZine thinks of Top Gear. But this is my two cents.

Costco

I never took Clarkson too seriously to be honest, at least on Top Gear. He's an entertainer first and foremost.

The trio have great chemistry. I don't know if Clarkson on his own can carry a show like that.

Rick_TL-S

It's hard to get into what their show is now, for me. The only thing that seems to make it work is their chemistry as Costco said; I'd be easily content if they retired and just did podcasting together, b/c they could tell stories , talk about the news, and still riff on each other.

How is the new Top Gear with Harris & the other blokes? Worth looking into?

mrmako

Admittedly, May, Hammond, and Clarkson are really great together as long as May and Hammond can get their jabs in at the egregious ass that Clarkson is. And I think that's why they work well together. And yes, the Grand Tour is just an entertainment extension from the final year of TG. Yes, it's less about the cars and more about their "trek" with said cars. They are entertaining, but as pointed out earlier, the old TG with the Stig, guest drivers, and some shows about every day cars (even with Clarkson shitting on them) was also very entertaining but in a car-centric way.

Clarkson could not carry a show alone. No way. He's needs the other two to be the brunt of his shtick.

Aman

I think they struggled to carry the same TG magic to Amazon, for whatever reason. I mostly enjoyed the news segments, cheap car challenges and specials. The most recent special was underwhelming, and using cars that were so expensive this time around actually detracted from the entertainment for me. Keep them in cars that could fall apart for any of 100 reasons.

IMO Seasons 10-13 of Top Gear were their prime, but I'd watch anything from Season 2 right to the end of the the trio's time on BBC. Vietnam special and Columbian special were probably the high points.

SamDoe1

Even the last boat episode was decent compared to this one. They do need to get back to the basics though, that's what they're good at.

The south america one is by far my favorite, followed closely by the two you listed plus the trip to the north pole.

00TL-P3.2

The VinWiki boys also took a couple swings at Top Gear-esque series.

On the Tavarish channel, they've done 3 CarTrek series (1: Supercars for the price of a C8 Vette. 2: Super depreciated high end cars. 3: Super unreliable lux cars). Amusing & a bit of the TG feel to it.

srika

Fun fact you may likely not know, one of the guys on the CarTrek team is our very own @MarbleGT who is manning the video cameras. Great job by Jordan.

00TL-P3.2

I gave a shout out to him after seeing his name on CarTrek 1. Not sure he's been on here in quite a while.

00TL-P3.2

This guy reverse-engineered Koenigsegg's Freevalve system onto a B&S engine & is developing it for a Miata (NA/NB) head.
Only part 1 of the Miata build is there, he hasn't put part 2 up yet.

https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/di...t-diy-project/



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oonowindoo

So... what this video is telling us is If you want a fast car from dig, get the Accord. If you want a fast car from a roll, get the Sonata. If you want to be the slowest in every category, get the TLX.

oonowindoo

Yumcha

That'll buff right out.



BTW, what the fark happened to cause THAT?

cu2wagon

Failure to signal. Probably.

SamDoe1

#itsthatkindofthrill

Also, that BMW was farked. They are beyond lucky no one was in the back seat or there would have been deaths.

mrmako

It's a BMW, so driving like a douche can't be ruled out.

oonowindoo

Normally i would agree but things have changed in recent years...

I have seen more Kia and newer Accord think they are the fastest thing on the road than BMW....

When you got turbo, you think you are faster than everyone else.

Doom878

Tis true. We are equal opportunity douchebags in SFL.

RPhilMan1

Too bad each one is not that good looking at all.

I saw a Glowing Yellow Sonata yesterday (ironically the day of watching this video) and the rear bumper was painted the body color... except for the two black triangles at each side. It looked hideous.







It looks really bad in the lighter colors. It's also funny because most pre-production shots show that area as painted black it seems... which would look a lot better.

Anyway, I would not personally consider any of those three cars in that video. Even if I was in the market for an auto tranny.

EDIT: Found a photo. Awful.





I can't get over the front styling and those stupid chrome strips as well.

The built-in rear "decklid" and the bar taillights that stretch across the rear remind me of the Lincoln MKZ rear styling... and we all know how well that sold. Yes, maybe brand perception as well.

SamDoe1

WTF? All they needed to do was paint those triangles body color and it would fix so many things wrong with the design. Also, it looks like it's riding on it's tip toes.

That said, I do still think that this current gen Accord is a good looking car.

Doom878

I test drove the 2.0 Accord and the TLX V6. Both were fast as shit straight line but they felt like boats.

oonowindoo

I dont think the new Sonata is good looking... but for some reason, i kinda like it....

K5 looks better. I personally probably take K5 if i were in that market..

Accord is good but i probably see 20 of them within my 15 miles commute every morning...

00TL-P3.2

K5 > Sonata.
Tougher call on K5 vs Accord.

I drove the Accord Touring 10AT & Sport 6MT, both drove well & are enormous inside. The backseat of the 10G Accord rivals the 2016 F150 I had at the time.