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I definitely see his point. I rented a Manuel A3 when I went to Europe and was very happy with it. Easy to park, and more responsive than it should have been.
Been a BMW > Audi guy for the longest, but that was one of the cars that closed the gap for me.
Straight up I would prefer to daily an A3, but then I slog along in traffic most of the time. Nowhere to wring out a car in a straight line.
Weekend car on the other hand, I will take a Camaro SS 1LE over anything Audi has short of an RS6.
Been a BMW > Audi guy for the longest, but that was one of the cars that closed the gap for me.
Straight up I would prefer to daily an A3, but then I slog along in traffic most of the time. Nowhere to wring out a car in a straight line.
Weekend car on the other hand, I will take a Camaro SS 1LE over anything Audi has short of an RS6.
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^ Same.
The closest thing Audi has to the SS / 1LE is the RS5 ... which, I believe is almost double the price .
Incredible car though.
The closest thing Audi has to the SS / 1LE is the RS5 ... which, I believe is almost double the price .
Incredible car though.
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1killercls (12-04-2019)
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I haven’t given it the beans, no. Other than a 20-55 run which is over in a blink.
I guess it is just the total driving experience. The power is massive overkill for street and highway driving. It’s not the balanced package that I like. I would probably like an RS5 better, but as properly noted it’s a whole different price class.
That said I do not regret taking it over the sea of Rogues and Maximas/Altimas that were in the Emerald Aisle. And it is a lot nicer than the V6 Challenger I had last year.
I guess it is just the total driving experience. The power is massive overkill for street and highway driving. It’s not the balanced package that I like. I would probably like an RS5 better, but as properly noted it’s a whole different price class.
That said I do not regret taking it over the sea of Rogues and Maximas/Altimas that were in the Emerald Aisle. And it is a lot nicer than the V6 Challenger I had last year.
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...use-barn-find/
Barn finds are one thing—there are a lot of old, dilapidated barns that no one has cracked open for decades. But greenhouses are clear, so it's a little hard to believe that 30 or so Jaguars sat in broad daylight for years and no one bothered to check them out.
Now, though, someone's finally noticed the 30-odd car-shaped tarps sitting in a Beaulieu, England greenhouse. They've started to clear out the old Jaguars, many of which are E-Types.
"Over 30 classic Jaguars, mostly E-Types, most of which looked like they'd been there a very long time," Beaulieu Garage said of the find in a Facebook post. "An offer was made and now I need to work out what to do with a whole lot of rusty metal
Unfortunately, while greenhouses can protect cars from UV rays, they also tend to be very humid. Combine that for decades with the delicate, rust-prone bodies of Fifties and Sixties Jags and, well, you're not going to end up with a bunch of museum pieces.
Beaulieu Garage, which is orchestrating the clean-out sale of these Jaguars, is clear that they're all pretty major projects. Per their website, Beaulieu Garage shares their facility with a company that specializes in restoring Series-1 E-Types. Should you decide to buy and restore one, then, you'll be able to do it in one place.
The company is still cataloging and documenting all of the cars that it recovered, but it'll be posting the cars on its Facebook page once it gets them officially ready for sale. While some, they say, are likely to run after a few days' work, most will require extensive restorations.
"All will see the road again I'm sure," Beaulieu Garage said.
Now, though, someone's finally noticed the 30-odd car-shaped tarps sitting in a Beaulieu, England greenhouse. They've started to clear out the old Jaguars, many of which are E-Types.
"Over 30 classic Jaguars, mostly E-Types, most of which looked like they'd been there a very long time," Beaulieu Garage said of the find in a Facebook post. "An offer was made and now I need to work out what to do with a whole lot of rusty metal
Unfortunately, while greenhouses can protect cars from UV rays, they also tend to be very humid. Combine that for decades with the delicate, rust-prone bodies of Fifties and Sixties Jags and, well, you're not going to end up with a bunch of museum pieces.
Beaulieu Garage, which is orchestrating the clean-out sale of these Jaguars, is clear that they're all pretty major projects. Per their website, Beaulieu Garage shares their facility with a company that specializes in restoring Series-1 E-Types. Should you decide to buy and restore one, then, you'll be able to do it in one place.
The company is still cataloging and documenting all of the cars that it recovered, but it'll be posting the cars on its Facebook page once it gets them officially ready for sale. While some, they say, are likely to run after a few days' work, most will require extensive restorations.
"All will see the road again I'm sure," Beaulieu Garage said.
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https://jalopnik.com/iihs-is-crackin...ity-1840391193
We may be going into the year 2020 as automakers talk of a future centered on autonomy and electrification, but in terms of the car technology we have in the year 2019, one is still severely lacking: headlights. But the IIHS wants to change that, and will try to do so by hinging its safety awards on quality headlights.
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety is the formal name for IIHS, which is the place many people in the United States consult when they want to know how safe their car, or the car they want to buy, is. The organization was founded by several insurance associations in 1959,and, 60 years later, is still crashing cars and commending them when they do well.
But IIHS tests more than just crashworthiness, and headlights have been a point of stubbornness since the organization began rating them in 2016. Thus, for its automaker-coveted 2020 safety awards, IIHS is changing the rules—in order to qualify for the top IIHS award in 2020, a model will have to offer decently rated headlights as standard on even the cheapest of trims.
Here’s a rundown of the added 2020 criteria, from IIHS’ announcement on it:
IIHS has four headlight ratings—poor, marginal, acceptable and good—and the key for the new criteria is that cars getting the top award, the Top Safety Pick+, will have to offer headlights with one of IIHS’ top two ratings as standard. Currently, the top award announcements often come with a disclaimer: that a model earned it on variations “equipped with specific headlights.” That’ll be no more with the new rules because carmakers won’t be able to get away with offering bad headlights on lower trims if they want the top award.
IIHS had a quick summary on why that’s necessary—essentially, because after several years of ratings, headlights still aren’t great:
Variation in headlight quality has been shown as a big issue since IIHS began its ratings, too. Many models offer a wide range of headlight types, and quality, depending on trims and options, meaning the same car can have ratings that range from “poor” all the way to “good.”
Poor headlights can not only jeopardize safety for the driver of the car with the poor headlights but other drivers as well, due to the fact that ratings can also be docked for things like excessive glare. Having a range of headlight ratings on the same model can also be confusing for buyers, who might go for an award-winning car without realizing that they chose the trim that was the exception.
But at least for the models that get IIHS’ top award, the Top Safety Pick+, there will be less ambiguity in the future. That’s not only a good thing for new-car buyers but also for the drivers around them.
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety is the formal name for IIHS, which is the place many people in the United States consult when they want to know how safe their car, or the car they want to buy, is. The organization was founded by several insurance associations in 1959,and, 60 years later, is still crashing cars and commending them when they do well.
But IIHS tests more than just crashworthiness, and headlights have been a point of stubbornness since the organization began rating them in 2016. Thus, for its automaker-coveted 2020 safety awards, IIHS is changing the rules—in order to qualify for the top IIHS award in 2020, a model will have to offer decently rated headlights as standard on even the cheapest of trims.
Here’s a rundown of the added 2020 criteria, from IIHS’ announcement on it:
Good or acceptable headlights need to be standard equipment next year for a vehicle to qualify for TOP SAFETY PICK+, the highest award from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
In addition, front crash prevention that earns at least an advanced rating in both the vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-pedestrian evaluations will have to be available. Previously, only the vehicle-to-vehicle rating was required.
The front crash prevention requirements will also apply to the second tier of awards, TOP SAFETY PICK. Available good or acceptable headlights will be required for that award too, though, like this year, they won’t need to be standard.
In addition, front crash prevention that earns at least an advanced rating in both the vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-pedestrian evaluations will have to be available. Previously, only the vehicle-to-vehicle rating was required.
The front crash prevention requirements will also apply to the second tier of awards, TOP SAFETY PICK. Available good or acceptable headlights will be required for that award too, though, like this year, they won’t need to be standard.
IIHS had a quick summary on why that’s necessary—essentially, because after several years of ratings, headlights still aren’t great:
Only three headlight systems from the 2016 model year earned a good rating out of 224 evaluated by IIHS. Another 36 earned an acceptable rating. Since then, the number of good and acceptable ratings has greatly increased. In the 2019 model year, 68 out of 465 systems evaluated were rated good, and 103 were rated acceptable.
However, many of those good- or acceptable-rated headlights are available only as part of optional packages or on higher trim levels. Consumers need to pay special attention if they want to buy a vehicle equipped with them.
IIHS is aiming to address this problem by requiring 2020 TOP SAFETY PICK+ winners to be available only with good or acceptable headlights. That applies equally to expensive lighting options and base headlights.
However, many of those good- or acceptable-rated headlights are available only as part of optional packages or on higher trim levels. Consumers need to pay special attention if they want to buy a vehicle equipped with them.
IIHS is aiming to address this problem by requiring 2020 TOP SAFETY PICK+ winners to be available only with good or acceptable headlights. That applies equally to expensive lighting options and base headlights.
Poor headlights can not only jeopardize safety for the driver of the car with the poor headlights but other drivers as well, due to the fact that ratings can also be docked for things like excessive glare. Having a range of headlight ratings on the same model can also be confusing for buyers, who might go for an award-winning car without realizing that they chose the trim that was the exception.
But at least for the models that get IIHS’ top award, the Top Safety Pick+, there will be less ambiguity in the future. That’s not only a good thing for new-car buyers but also for the drivers around them.
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My '16 F150 had halogen headlights & IIRC they were rated [appropriately] poor by IIHS.
LED bulbs made a dramatic difference, and I only got flashed a couple times, and that was when towing a heavy trailer.
LED bulbs made a dramatic difference, and I only got flashed a couple times, and that was when towing a heavy trailer.
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Now lets get those trick active matrix headlights the Europeans can get.
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Merry Christmas guys, just wanted to show you my new car!!!!!!! I feel so blessed!!!
https://petrolicious.com/articles/ta...PZWz8LiYJfFCCs
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Anyone in the market for an S-class? My dad was telling me that my grandmother is going to be selling hers in the near future. Wish I could afford to take it off her hands.
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Merry Christmas guys, just wanted to show you my new car!!!!!!! I feel so blessed!!!
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Merry Christmas guys, just wanted to show you my new car!!!!!!! I feel so blessed!!!
https://petrolicious.com/articles/ta...PZWz8LiYJfFCCs
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Had a Jeep Wrangler 4 door Rental in Phx over the weekend.... loved the car.. but i dont know how many windshield people have to replace a year on that thing... i already had 2 decent sized rock chip within 3 days of driving it.... in the city too.
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21k on mine, still on the OG windshield.
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...mit-dangerous/
Bridge Media analyzed state police records and found that roads with the new 75-mph speed limit had, on average, more crashes and injuries in 2018 (the full first year for the new limits) compared to the entire road network. While the statewide average for crashes rose 3.4 percent in 2018 compared to the annual average from 2014-16 (remember, the speed limits went up part of the way through 2017), the average on the 75-mph roads went up 17.2 percent, Bridge Media found.
Crash and death statistics from other states that raised their speed limits do not follow the same pattern. In Utah, for example, the number of crashes on some parts of I-15 in the state dropped between 2008, when the speed limit was raised to 80 mph, and 2014, when the data was analyzed, according to local news reports. In Montana, though, highway fatalities were 17 percent higher in 2015 than 2014 after the speed limit was raised from 75 mph to 80 mph in October 2015. The speed limit change was just one possible reason for that increase, as the fatality spike coincided with lower gas prices (which increases vehicle miles traveled) and more snow and ice on the roads that year than the previous year.
In 2013, the Connecticut General Assembly released a letter summarizing a 2006 National Cooperative Highway Research Program report. That organization found an "increased likelihood" (by 28 percent) of fatalities when a speed limit was raised from 55 to 65 mph. Going from 65 mph to 75 mph also found a minimal increase (0.6 percent) in the total number of crashes alongside a larger increase (13 percent) in the number of total fatalities. The Assembly said that the smaller increase in fatalities at higher speeds could be due to the fact that "people may drive more cautiously when driving faster, or that roads deemed appropriate for a 75-mph limit are safer." The Assembly also cited an American Journal of Public Health study that "found about a 3.2 percent increase in road fatalities attributable to the raised speed limit on all roads in the U.S." over a 10-year period.
Michigan state legislators who spoke with Bridge Media said they specifically selected segments of roads that would be the safest places to increase the speed limit, the "lowest of the low-hanging fruit from a risk perspective," according to Brad Wieferich, director of MDOT's Bureau of Development. That may be true, but that hasn't stopped the rise in the number of crashes and injuries.
- Michigan raised the speed limit by 5 mph on more than 600 miles of rural highways in 2017.
- In 2018, crashes on those roads went up 17.2 percent, compared to just 3.4 percent statewide, Michigan's Bridge Media reported.
- Other states have also seen more injuries and deaths in places where speed limits were increased.
Bridge Media analyzed state police records and found that roads with the new 75-mph speed limit had, on average, more crashes and injuries in 2018 (the full first year for the new limits) compared to the entire road network. While the statewide average for crashes rose 3.4 percent in 2018 compared to the annual average from 2014-16 (remember, the speed limits went up part of the way through 2017), the average on the 75-mph roads went up 17.2 percent, Bridge Media found.
40 Percent Drive 80+ MPH on 75-MPH Roads
The real-world average speed increase on the 75-mph roads in one single-day test sample was just under 2 mph (from 74.6 mph in 2016 to 76.9 mph in 2018), but the total number of people going over 80 mph went from 10 percent to 40 percent of all cars. The result for some rural Michigan roads is that plenty of people are still driving well under 75 mph, but more are now going even faster.Crash and death statistics from other states that raised their speed limits do not follow the same pattern. In Utah, for example, the number of crashes on some parts of I-15 in the state dropped between 2008, when the speed limit was raised to 80 mph, and 2014, when the data was analyzed, according to local news reports. In Montana, though, highway fatalities were 17 percent higher in 2015 than 2014 after the speed limit was raised from 75 mph to 80 mph in October 2015. The speed limit change was just one possible reason for that increase, as the fatality spike coincided with lower gas prices (which increases vehicle miles traveled) and more snow and ice on the roads that year than the previous year.
In 2013, the Connecticut General Assembly released a letter summarizing a 2006 National Cooperative Highway Research Program report. That organization found an "increased likelihood" (by 28 percent) of fatalities when a speed limit was raised from 55 to 65 mph. Going from 65 mph to 75 mph also found a minimal increase (0.6 percent) in the total number of crashes alongside a larger increase (13 percent) in the number of total fatalities. The Assembly said that the smaller increase in fatalities at higher speeds could be due to the fact that "people may drive more cautiously when driving faster, or that roads deemed appropriate for a 75-mph limit are safer." The Assembly also cited an American Journal of Public Health study that "found about a 3.2 percent increase in road fatalities attributable to the raised speed limit on all roads in the U.S." over a 10-year period.
Michigan state legislators who spoke with Bridge Media said they specifically selected segments of roads that would be the safest places to increase the speed limit, the "lowest of the low-hanging fruit from a risk perspective," according to Brad Wieferich, director of MDOT's Bureau of Development. That may be true, but that hasn't stopped the rise in the number of crashes and injuries.
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Instead of blaming the people who are going 80mph+, maybe we should blame the fuckers in Prius and Corolla doing 65 on the left lane.
My theory is if everyone is doing 80mph, then we wont have to change lanes as often... = less chance of accident.
My theory is if everyone is doing 80mph, then we wont have to change lanes as often... = less chance of accident.
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^ Plus cell phones / distractions.
80+ on the Austin toll roads, seemed to work pretty well.
75+ once your clear the contiguous Harris counties (Houston) & doesn't seem an issue.
Same with the 3rd, 170 mile (When complete), loop around Houston which has a 75mpg limit for the majority hat I'm aware of.
80+ on the Austin toll roads, seemed to work pretty well.
75+ once your clear the contiguous Harris counties (Houston) & doesn't seem an issue.
Same with the 3rd, 170 mile (When complete), loop around Houston which has a 75mpg limit for the majority hat I'm aware of.
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It specifically said road conditions were much worse since the law was enacted, plus the increased speed limit exposes false driver confidence. They think it's safe to travel those speeds without realizing it takes longer to stop and maintain control of their vehicle. Particularly those adapted to driving 10-20% over the posted limit.
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^ Plus cell phones / distractions.
80+ on the Austin toll roads, seemed to work pretty well.
75+ once your clear the contiguous Harris counties (Houston) & doesn't seem an issue.
Same with the 3rd, 170 mile (When complete), loop around Houston which has a 75mpg limit for the majority hat I'm aware of.
80+ on the Austin toll roads, seemed to work pretty well.
75+ once your clear the contiguous Harris counties (Houston) & doesn't seem an issue.
Same with the 3rd, 170 mile (When complete), loop around Houston which has a 75mpg limit for the majority hat I'm aware of.
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Lane discipline in the US is horrendous.
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00TL-P3.2 (01-16-2020)
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Which manufacturers are giving out good leases these days?
I’m thinking of adding a car as the Mazda will be paid off this summer.
I’m thinking of adding a car as the Mazda will be paid off this summer.
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you know BMW always has good leasing programs... i heard some Volvo SUV is relatively cheap to lease.... Mazda CX5 is cheap to lease
I mean you will have to be a little more specific on the type of car you wanna lease....
I mean you will have to be a little more specific on the type of car you wanna lease....
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charliemike (01-17-2020)
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I am looking for something reasonably luxurious for less than $500/mo with an automatic transmission and auto cruise control with start/stop because it’s going to be used for driving to meetings and such.
Volvo, Genesis, Audi, BMW, etc would be fine. Doesn’t have to have a big engine.
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Audi is expensive to lease.
You can check your local BMW dealers for Demo Leases.. usually those are the ones with 4-5k miles on them. Those are bargains on top of good BMW leasing programs.
I mean you can literally get a 530i for around 500 a month with min. drive off ($1000) or a 330 for 400 a month... probably less.
I heard Volvo CX60 T5 can be had for about $500 a month with tax included. $47k MSRP.. $5k off + $2k incentive
But a lot of the leasing incentives are regional, so you probably will need to do some research...
Edmunds is a good place IMO. At least it gives you an idea what everyone else is paying
You can check your local BMW dealers for Demo Leases.. usually those are the ones with 4-5k miles on them. Those are bargains on top of good BMW leasing programs.
I mean you can literally get a 530i for around 500 a month with min. drive off ($1000) or a 330 for 400 a month... probably less.
I heard Volvo CX60 T5 can be had for about $500 a month with tax included. $47k MSRP.. $5k off + $2k incentive
But a lot of the leasing incentives are regional, so you probably will need to do some research...
Edmunds is a good place IMO. At least it gives you an idea what everyone else is paying
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charliemike (01-17-2020)
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Some examples of cheap demos here locally...
https://www.newcenturybmw.com/invent...JA5C50KG901091
https://www.newcenturybmw.com/invent...5R1C51KAK11582
https://www.newcenturybmw.com/invent...JA5C50KG901091
https://www.newcenturybmw.com/invent...5R1C51KAK11582
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charliemike (01-17-2020)
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Volvo sedans are always a steal to lease. They basically give the S90's away.
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charliemike (01-17-2020)
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I think I saw a new Audi A4 on IG that has that new foresty/racing green. Get one of those
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charliemike (01-17-2020)
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G70?
Giulia?
S60 V60
Giulia?
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charliemike (01-17-2020)
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Lease
Why not buy?
Why not buy?
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I realize that leasing is just renting but I’m hoping that I can lease a car and then we will see some more EV options coming.
Because so many midsize sedans have been killed off, I don’t have many options. Normally, a 30 month Fusion Titanium lease would be fine for what I want. But they don’t exist anymore.
Also, I’m not ready to put $50K into a Model 3 just yet.
Because so many midsize sedans have been killed off, I don’t have many options. Normally, a 30 month Fusion Titanium lease would be fine for what I want. But they don’t exist anymore.
Also, I’m not ready to put $50K into a Model 3 just yet.
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https://jalopnik.com/these-are-the-g...ade-1840912520
Photos & details at link above, long article.
Photos & details at link above, long article.
Time is but a social construct, but as we’ve all decided the 2010s are over, I guess a roundup of the best engines of the decade is in order. We’ve got V10s (duh, because it’s me writing this list), V12s, V8s and four-bangers galore.
The 2010s were an interesting bunch of years. They saw the split between old-school methods of producing big power (fat displacement, superchargers) and modern ways of making driving efficient (cylinder deactivation, turbocharging). Some of the units listed here have been discontinued; others began their lives only recently and will hopefully continue to affect change into this new decade.
Now, these engines aren’t listed in any particular order other than how they appeal to me, personally. Did I leave anything out? Should all of the cars on this list just get LS swaps? Feel free to tell me in the comments.
The 2010s were an interesting bunch of years. They saw the split between old-school methods of producing big power (fat displacement, superchargers) and modern ways of making driving efficient (cylinder deactivation, turbocharging). Some of the units listed here have been discontinued; others began their lives only recently and will hopefully continue to affect change into this new decade.
Now, these engines aren’t listed in any particular order other than how they appeal to me, personally. Did I leave anything out? Should all of the cars on this list just get LS swaps? Feel free to tell me in the comments.
17. Infiniti’s Variable Compression Engine
16. Ford’s One-Liter EcoBoost
15. Mazda’s SkyActiv-X ‘Holy Grail’
14. Honda’s 2.0-Liter, Turbocharged Inline-Four
13. Bugatti’s 8.0-Liter, Quad-Turbocharged W16
12. Dodge’s 6.2-Liter, Supercharged Hellcat
11. BMW’s 4.0-Liter V8
10. Mercedes-Benz’s 6.0-Liter, Twin-Turbocharged V12
9. Audi/Lamborghini’s 5.2-Liter V10
8. Lamborghini’s 6.5-Liter V12
7. Ferrari’s 4.5-Liter V8
6. Porsche’s 4.0-Liter Flat-Six
5. SRT’s 8.4-Liter V10
4. McLaren’s 3.8-Liter, Twin-Turbocharged V8
3. Mercedes-AMG’s 6.2-Liter V8
2. Ford’s 5.2-Liter Voodoo V8
1. Lexus’s 4.8-Liter V10
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I realize that leasing is just renting but I’m hoping that I can lease a car and then we will see some more EV options coming.
Because so many midsize sedans have been killed off, I don’t have many options. Normally, a 30 month Fusion Titanium lease would be fine for what I want. But they don’t exist anymore.
Also, I’m not ready to put $50K into a Model 3 just yet.
Because so many midsize sedans have been killed off, I don’t have many options. Normally, a 30 month Fusion Titanium lease would be fine for what I want. But they don’t exist anymore.
Also, I’m not ready to put $50K into a Model 3 just yet.
Do you buy all your cars new? Accustomed to leasing and unaccustomed to owning a car or selling one?
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charliemike (01-17-2020)
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You said Mazda will be paid off.. I'm so confused.
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3rd car, or trading the Mazda in?
Agreed above, you could find a pretty clean low mile Fusion Titanium for fairly cheap & just sell or trade out of it when you're ready.
Agreed above, you could find a pretty clean low mile Fusion Titanium for fairly cheap & just sell or trade out of it when you're ready.
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Sorry for the confusion. I’m thinking stuff in my head I’m not actually explaining here
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Third car and that’s not a bad idea. They still make Fusions apparently. Maybe they will have some left over.
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Is there a specific EV you're targeting? Because used EVs are actually a pretty good value.
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charliemike (01-17-2020)
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I think he would lose too much $$ in 2-3 years when he needs to sell it if he buys new or slightly used.
Or just buy a Tacoma you probably will drive it for free for 2 years...