RPhilMan1

I think that was one of the worst and unfruitful reads, especially PCOTY, I've ever read. I feel like I learned nothing about the Veloster N and why they think it feels that way.

At the end, they call the McLaren "could be simultaneously dull and exhausting at a public pace", even though there's not a single mention of anything resembling dull during the entire article..?

I could get the C8 not having a manual and first-year dual-clutch issues to work out.

They said the 911 does everything well, has the best transmission, and even a backseat for practicality... but when it came to following the speed limits or driving in the city, for example, they think it feels too much like a Panamera? How is that a bad thing? Would they prefer it to be laborious driving in those situations? "Felt big on the back roads" is so vague.

I can also understand the feelings on the Lotus, GT-R, and Miata. But why does the Golf R feel numb in comparison to the Veloster? What should the Civic Type R be saying that the Veloster does?

So the Veloster won and I don't really have any inclination as to what makes it so great. How's the interior, too? Any wheel hop or spin? How's the traction outside of dry conditions? What kind of tires were on it? How does the gearbox feel? How does the remark "the engine has all the character of an ink-jet printer" going to help me?

Seriously, this felt more of a Facebook or Instagram story of some young dude renting sports cars with his friends and going on a road trip. I also tried to follow along on their road trip while looking at a map to see their route. They opted not to include photography on some of the things that seemed to make the journey great, like the lunch stop on the lake, or the wetlands, or the scars from the Camp Fire, the fuel stop at Quincy (would be cool to see them all at the pump, right?), Donner Pass, getting to Lake Tahoe???

So disappointing.

Majofo

Driver's Car
I'd Veloster N > CTR
Shit.. if VW didn't have such strong support might even Veloster N > R > GTI
But nah..

cu2wagon

Well, it read like all of the enthusiasm that Matt Farrah can muster in one of his wet farts (which he surely left in whatever car he happened to drive). If you're reading R&T and it's funboy staff and expect anything passing as journalism, you'll be disappointed.

Majofo

It's a FWD hot hatch that oversteers and has exhaust crackles, but it's an easy daily and it costs the least minus the Miata
Plus it has real launch control... i.e. it's super fun, great gearbox, nice to listen too, and cheap
Boom!

Majofo

werd werd
Matt Farrah is really just a bag of wet farts

charliemike

The thing was way too long too. If pictures are worth 1,000 words now I know why. They wrote out a 7 minute video.

SamDoe1

Yeah...and take a look at the interior, it's straight up base model Hyundai. I know it's cheaper but a GTI isn't that much slower and a much better place to be than this. Also, no need to enter a Hyundai dealership.

There is one (1) of these in the entire state of MN. Black without PP lol.

Watched both of those linked videos. They both keep referring back to track days and so good at the track. What if, and hear me out on this one, I don't want to track the car and just want an enjoyable ride to work?

I'm sure the Veloster N is a great performance car but how good of an all around car is it?

To answer the PCOTY thing, I'm not sure what world we live in where a Veloster N wins this award over a C8 Corvette or Porsche 992. Both of those are way better at doing everything than a Hyundai.

00TL-P3.2

For me, the Velo N isn't a winner, as with only 3 doors it's not ideal.
Wish they'd done the Elantra/i30 N for us instead of/along with the Velo.

Majofo

i30 N isn't available in US
Elantra GT is N-line, not real N car, just trim +sporty details

00TL-P3.2

Right, for me, and wanting 4 real doors. An Elantra N would be a better fit than the Velo N.

oonowindoo

According to Hyundai's website. There are 31 with PPl within 50 miles .... considering how many Hyundai dealers there are... that is alot of inventory and this is with PP only.

SamDoe1

Apparently Veloster N's aren't all that popular in MN...

Also, why the hell would anyone not order the PP? It's like $2k and is definitely worth every penny. Hyundai should just raise the price $2k and make it standard.

oonowindoo

^ Marketing... $27k sounds better than 30k. A small Hyundai starting at $30 will turn some ppl off.. at the end of the day it does not have the Type R name....

SamDoe1

Apparently a small Hyundai starting at $27k is already a turn off.

Aman

I miss Peter Egan.

RPhilMan1

Wait, I'm confused. Is the Veloster N a 2-door or 4-door? Why on Hyundai's website and all the promo mags show 2-door but when I searched local cars in my area (only four by the way, which is pretty sad for this area), they show as 4-door?

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0644/overview/

Also, no leather sucks. I'd be hard pressed to give up my full leather Recaro seats for this interior.

SamDoe1

No, it is quite literally a 3 door. There's one door on one side of the car and two on the other. I guess that's a 4 door in hatchback speak but it has three (3) passenger access doors, not 4.

RPhilMan1

Oh shit, now I see it. Damn dealer takes exterior photos all on the passenger side and Hyundai shows the driver's side.

And it kinda sucks that it only has four seats. Not like I really carry four passengers but still...

Astonishingly enough, both the Velo N and Focus ST have ~ 44 ft³ of cargo volume with the seats down. Not bad for that small hatch.

oonowindoo

well there you go.. so that is why PP is an option not standard.

RPhilMan1

This Golf R is still available... I'd much rather spend the $8k and get a much better overall hatch, and no funny wheel drive.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0044/overview/

oonowindoo

You can't compare a discounted price vs. MSRP on the other.
Based on what i have seen on Edmund... people are getting 4k off sticker on the Veloster N.

Golf R is obviously a much better car all around... But at 38k vs 26k, Veloster N basically can be had around the same price as a Civic HB Sport

Costco

$8k is nothing to scoff at.

That’s basically the difference between a Civic Si and an S2000, back in the day

Majofo

... Better all-around.. how so?

Sarlacc

I remember reading the N was engineered in part or overseen by a former bmw M person. Can’t remember exact details.

but I sat in one at the auto show last year. Interior is blah and the shifter had long throws.

nope.

Majofo

SamDoe1

Right...which is why it should compete with the Civic Si and GTI not CTR's and Golf R's. To that end, it's probably a better car than the Si and it's probably pretty close to the GTI.

In what regard? As a track car, definitely agree. As an every day driver, there's no way a Veloster is anywhere as good.

Find a not track battle video. A Golf R is not a track car and makes no suggestion that it is. If you want a track car, buy a CTR.

Majofo

Sam still drinking the kool-aid

Wait.. first Sam is like Velo N should be compared to a GTI or Si
Then he's like R isn't made for the track
So is Sam saying GTI has track lineage over R????

Or that the Velo N can't keep up with the R.. so confused.
Didn't my snipped video show the Velo pull on the R?


Golf R not a track car
Doesn't the R stand for Race / Racing?
And doesn't it have adjustable suspension, where the race mod stiffens damping

...Increases throttle response, makes steering heavier
...Increases the adaptive headlight response time
..and can fully disengage DSC... shiett.. not a track car.


I guess the R is just a fancy pants reggo Golf
Save your monies, buy the shit one

oonowindoo

While looks is subjective.. but i would put Golf R above Veloster N. Veloster N with all the red stripes look almost as Pepboyish as CTR.
Interior... Golf R > by about 10 miles.
Performance: Edit. I dont know. Haha since i have never driven one.
Practicality: AWD > FWD

Now fun to drive or being on the track... i dont know since i have never driven the N.

Aman

To be fair, GTI interiors have been ten miles ahead of the competiton for generations now.

TylerT

iTrader: (1)

If the N was AWD .. I think it would be a better comparison to the R as it's not really a direct competitor to the GTI.

Sure, it does have some similarities to the R on the performance end, but interior quality / AWD / optional DSG kind of seals the deal for me and justifies the added price.

Only gets better if you shop pre-owned.

TylerT

iTrader: (1)

I didn't realize the 2020 GTI upped power to 228hp ... it's a lot closer than I thought to the N.


I think it's fair to say - If you're cross shopping a hot hatch, go drive the competition and see what you like. I'm more of a fan of VAG from an interior stand point alone and I never go to the track.

RPhilMan1

I mentioned Golf R because that was just my personal shopping preference. Yes, GTI is much closer aligned with Velo N.

I concur. I'd love to see a "daily driver battle" version. I really don't care so much about track performance. That's not going to be 99% of its use.

Majofo

You guys are out of your fucking mind.. N is a direct competitor to the R just for the fact that it blows teh fucking doors off a stock GTI.

The Velo R-spec on the other hand, IS the direct competitor to the GTI.

Majofo

I'm not a Velo N fanboi either.

I love the Golf R.. support is crazy for it.
It's the best value for that alone.

But stock to stock..
I can see why they voted it top of the top.

Majofo

GTFO

Aman's favorite shirt:

SamDoe1

GTI isn't made for the track either but for comparison's sake in terms of price, driven wheels, and features that's where you should be at. The interior of the GTI is also miles ahead of the Hyundai.

I'm not sure what part of the video you're referencing but for the part I watched there seemed to be quite a large...or very large gap between the R and the N when crossing the finish line of that drag race. Also, that was with the manual version of the R, the DSG would have been even faster. So...error 404, pulling not found.

It's not a track car, never has been in any generation. Not sure what the R stands for, doesn't really matter. My wife has an outback with a 3.6R on the back, would you assume that's also for racing? What do you think N stands for? Lots of cars have drive modes called lots of things that do all of the things you described...most of them aren't track cars. Hell my old Cherokee had a sport mode that did all that stuff lol.

shieeet, you dun got skooled.

save your pennies for gas and handies caddy boi.

SamDoe1

By what metric though? Just walking around saying that makes you look like a pigeon who's proud to have shit on the nicest car in the lot.

Aman

You goddam right.

Majofo

Sam out here trying to deny the true nature of the Golf R..
All butt hurt a Hyundai is being compared to his car.


It's funny how y'all think the Golfs are a close second to a hypercar interior
It's okay, calm the fuck down

The Velo N got plenty of praise for being comfortable and having good ergos
Plus that steering wheel > Golf








Driver's car, bye felicia


Need I remind y'all.. Sam owns a Golf R DSG





Why buy handies when you given up that mouf for free

Majofo

Sam thinks his DSG Golf R is teh nicest car on the lot
Cute