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Old 11-07-2019, 10:54 PM
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BoostedJack is selling one of his 50 McLaren P1 GTRs.

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It's no Golf R.
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No DSG, shit interior
Might as well slap a Hyundai badge on it
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Sam thinks his DSG Golf R is teh nicest car on the lot
Cute

Nice troll, A+ effort.

Originally Posted by Majofo
No DSG, shit interior
Might as well slap a Hyundai badge on it
P1 has a single clutch? Damn...that thing gets abused.
Old 11-08-2019, 10:28 AM
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As usual, I'm late to the butt tickle party, but here goes...

Originally Posted by Majofo
So is Sam saying GTI has track lineage over R????
Actually yes, the GTI does have track lineage over the R. The GTI has been racing for all seven (and soon to be eight) generations. It's participated in rally championships, BTCC races, Touring Car America, etc. The R has been around for four generations (mk4 and 5 R32, mk6 R, and now the mk7). VW may market the R as a car made for the track, but it is not. Even they chose the GTI chassis as the basis of all their race cars.

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You guys are out of your fucking mind.. N is a direct competitor to the R just for the fact that it blows teh fucking doors off a stock GTI.

The Velo R-spec on the other hand, IS the direct competitor to the GTI.

The problem with your argument is that it can be applied to literally anything. I'm sure the Veloster N is faster and more track focused than an ATS, but that doesn't mean you can compare it to an ATS-V. They may look the same, but they are in very different classes.
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
They may look the same, but they are in very different classes.
Nuh uh. My car looks like a Hyundai Optima and it's in the same class.

I just paid German pricing.
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Old 11-08-2019, 11:20 AM
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Wait..
So the GTI and R essentially have teh same suspension
But the R has more power and better traction
Yet the R is not for the track, but the GTI is
Okay
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I guess we're putting a Golf R and GTI in the ATS-V class now
ATS-V - hot hatch
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I can understand that you can't compare it to an R
For the simple fact that it's more affordable
and closer to the price point of a GTI (still cheaper)

all the other shit..
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Old 11-08-2019, 12:46 PM
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You said track lineage, not track equipment. They're different.

If you're now asking which would be quicker around a track I think we can all agree the R is obviously faster than a GTI.
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Originally Posted by Majofo
No DSG, shit interior
Might as well slap a Hyundai badge on it

Are you talking about Yumcha?
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Are you talking about Yumcha?
Who else?



It's raining now to go on top of the snow. And I'm headed out to drive. Plow into a sidewalk soon.
Old 11-08-2019, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Who else?



It's raining now to go on top of the snow. And I'm headed out to drive. Plow into a sidewalk soon.
Yumcha car abuse thread update in 3... 2... 1...
Old 11-08-2019, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Wait..
So the GTI and R essentially have teh same suspension
But the R has more power and better traction
Yet the R is not for the track, but the GTI is
Okay
Technically all MQB cars have similar suspension so a VW Alltrack would have track ready suspension and it has more traction just like the Golf R!

Originally Posted by Aman
You said track lineage, not track equipment. They're different.

If you're now asking which would be quicker around a track I think we can all agree the R is obviously faster than a GTI.
Depends on the track...
Old 11-08-2019, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Are you talking about Yumcha?
I was talking about the Velo N.. but okay

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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Technically all MQB cars have similar suspension so a VW Alltrack would have track ready suspension and it has more traction just like the Golf R!
So what makes a GTI a track car and makes an R a road car?
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Technically all MQB cars have similar suspension so a VW Alltrack would have track ready suspension and it has more traction just like the Golf R!
Didn’t a guy buy a wrecked R and a wrecked Sportwagen and make a R Sportwagen? I think he said all the mounting points for the R suspension and drivetrain was already there.
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So what makes a GTI a track car and makes an R a road car?
Nothing. GTI isn't a track car out of the box either. Just a platform that people use more often to build on than the R.

Originally Posted by charliemike
Didn’t a guy buy a wrecked R and a wrecked Sportwagen and make a R Sportwagen? I think he said all the mounting points for the R suspension and drivetrain was already there.
Yup. The joys of modular design!
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Wait..
So the GTI and R essentially have teh same suspension
But the R has more power and better traction
Yet the R is not for the track, but the GTI is
Okay
Originally Posted by Majofo
I guess we're putting a Golf R and GTI in the ATS-V class now
ATS-V - hot hatch
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I can understand that you can't compare it to an R
For the simple fact that it's more affordable
and closer to the price point of a GTI (still cheaper)

all the other shit..
I think you're taking things a little too literally. Cost is an important factor in these comparisons.

And for the record I'm not denying that a Veloster N will run circles around the Golf R on a track - that's a given. But even you have to admit that they are in different classes.
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If the Veloster N is in a different category than the Golf R, then what category is the Civic Type R in?
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Originally Posted by Aman
If the Veloster N is in a different category than the Golf R, then what category is the Civic Type R in?
I would say the same as the Veloster N, even though the price of it is higher.
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Golfs are no longer hot hatches
They're more Hyundai than Hyundai
Poor Yummkins
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Category of FoRS and FoST
Discuss
Old 11-11-2019, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
I would say the same as the Veloster N, even though the price of it is higher.
Hmm. I would have said the CTR and Golf R are direct competitors, despite the FWD/AWD difference.

Originally Posted by Majofo
Category of FoRS and FoST
Discuss
RS7 is the only comparable hot hatch there.
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CTR, Golf R, and Focus RS are direct competitors.

Veloster N, Focus ST, GTI and to some extent, the Civic SI are direct competitors.

The Veloster N just happens to be the best in it's segment which is leading some to compare it to the others.

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Y'all don't eat ass
And it shows

Shit.. if it's a hatch
And you can drive the shit out of it
Hot hatch

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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
CTR, Golf R, and Focus RS are direct competitors.

Veloster N, Focus ST, GTI and to some extent, the Civic SI are direct competitors.

The Veloster N just happens to be the best in it's segment which is leading some to compare it to the others.
Car and driver put the N in the same segment


Like I said, Velo R-spec is the GTI comparison
Also says C&D
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You gents looking to add some car art (Mark Rogan) to your mancave, garage, study, and etc.? Some nice stuff up at TouchofModern: https://www.touchofmodern.com/sales/...1-f91f44669ff2

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Not that i would ever buy 1, but i would take this over Model 3 any sec of the week.


Roadshow has confirmed specs and also reporting some additional i4 specs:

• 530 hp from a 80-kilowatt-hour battery, producing about 390 kilowatts (approximately 530hp)
• 373 miles range (on European WLTP cycle); expect the US number to be a bit less, probably around 340-350 miles
• 0-62 in 4 seconds flat
• Electronically limited top speed of 120 mph
• 80% charge in about 35 minutes (on 150-kW DC fast charger)
• Adds 62 miles of range in about 6 minutes (compare to current i3, which takes 17 min to do the same)
• Generation 5 battery packs
• significantly smaller than the Generation 3 and 4 packs used in current BMW EVs
• easier to package in the vehicle's floor, and allows them to be more easily scaled for smaller or larger applications
• stronger, meaning they can better handle fast-charging situations
• battery module will weigh roughly 1,200 pounds, all of which will be packaged as low as possible in the vehicle's floor, directly between the front and rear axles
Here are spy photos of the BMW i4 prototype, riding on the G26 platform with which the next gen 4 Series Gran Coupe is also being built upon.

Since this is an electric vehicle which does not require front cooling vents or grilles, underneath the front camouflage will be a front end design that differs from the G26 4 Series Gran Coupe (see spy pics), like the iX3 differs from the X3. An electric i car also doesn't require exhaust pipes, hence the fake painted tailpipes. And check out the flush door handles which will likely be of the electronic pop-out kind.

BMW has already previewed i4 specs which will feature:
• Range of over 600 kilometers (373 miles)
• 0-62mph in 4.0 seconds
• Top speed 'over 200 kph' (124 mph)
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Gotta say, going electric would've been a great excuse to right-size the kidney grilles again...

Sounds intriguing though.
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When it comes to carbon-composite materials, there's a bright future for increasingly innovative automotive applications. Not only can they be 3D-printed, but they're also technically lighter, stronger, and more resistant to fatigue from heat. Such characteristics make them ideal for use in parts such as carbon-ceramic brakes. But would you trust something other than good old fashioned metal when it comes to internal engine components? Could there be a future for carbon-composite in a standard-design piston power plan?Some think so and, in fact, they’ve gone the distance to create these potentially groundbreaking parts for the aftermarket.

Several custom machine shops, such as Extreme Tuners, have taken to social media to tease it's latest potential engineering breakthrough: the carbon-composite connecting rod, which the company's been engineering for its Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution project. The con-rods they've been working on can supposedly withstand up to 3,000 horsepower and a redline of nearly 15,000 RPM, all while weighing nearly 10 times less than their steel counterparts and six times less than aluminum ones

The connecting rod is the main rod that connects the crankshaft to the bottom of the piston in an internal combustion engine. Since they connect the engine’s main crankshaft with the cylinder’s piston head, which is what allows the piston to move up and down within the cylinder, they deal with a lot of tensile force and stress acting upon them during the intake, compression, power, and exhaust strokes. As a result, they’re often made of cast metals and alloys for strength and heat dissipation. That, however, makes them heavy and susceptible to failure in high-strung performance applications.

So what benefits would a carbon-composite rod provide?

Carbon-composite materials are lighter and stronger than most alloy and cast metals. As a result, engines could theoretically benefit greatly from the usage of such composites in high-heat and high-stress situations. By making them lighter, that would result in a significant uptick in engine and throttle response since that would reduce the amount of reciprocating mass acting upon the crankshaft and the piston head. It could also allow more power, providing a huge advantage in the performance and even the fuel economy department

Cast metal and alloy con-rods are already strong as is, but depending on how they’re manufactured, they can still fail. An alternative is to produce billet connecting rods, which means milling them out of a solid block of metal. That said, it’s incredibly expensive, labor-intensive, and time-consuming.

Carbon-composite materials can be made stronger than typically used metals, which could give tuners more flexibility when trying to squeeze out more power. With the increased strength, they theoretically wouldn’t have to worry about bombing the engine by sending a con-rod through the side of the crankcase.

Carbon-composite materials are also said to be more resistant to heat, which eliminates any worry of metal fatigue incurred by overheating. That's why some high-end automakers use carbon-ceramic brakes. Not only are they stronger, but they also dissipate heat significantly better than steel rotors and thus, are more resistant to fade and resilient to abuse, such as track driving.

Extreme Tuners claim the ones they're working on are rated at up to 57,363 Newtons of piston force

Although carbon-composite materials are expensive because they’re still relatively new to the market, at least on a mass-production scale, they can be 3D-printed. This means the cost of the materials could be brought down thanks to the ease of production that 3D-printing provides.

But there are still a lot of questions. Although carbon-composite materials can be stronger than metals and alloys, they still can be susceptible to failure if not manufactured properly, similarly to how some metals and alloys can suffer from structural integrity issues from poor casting or other metallurgy practices.

For instance, despite all the promise of carbon fiber or carbon fiber-based materials being stronger and lighter than some metals, like CFRPs or carbon-fiber-reinforced-plastics, they can still crack or shatter under inopportune circumstances.

So although carbon-composite connecting rods provide purpose in theory, they still need a bit of time and development to be perfected.
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All I know is my 2.0T A3 with Stage One is PLENTY fast for me. It doesn't have a fucking hatch though.
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My rental car this week is a 2019 Camaro SS. Has the 10 speed auto trans. For some reason it doesn’t feel all that fast. The noises sound fast but it is not terribly fun. Throttle response seems sluggish. Maybe because of the slushbox?

It does not make me miss my A4. Not even close. The A4 feels more responsive to me and the interior/tech blow the Chevy away for about the same sticker price.
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My rental car this week is a 2019 Camaro SS. Has the 10 speed auto trans. For some reason it doesn’t feel all that fast. The noises sound fast but it is not terribly fun. Throttle response seems sluggish. Maybe because of the slushbox?

It does not make me miss my A4. Not even close. The A4 feels more responsive to me and the interior/tech blow the Chevy away for about the same sticker price.
Hertz or Enterprise?
Is this the first LS/LT car you've driven?
V8 iron block is a different experience than a boosted 4 banger
From the weight to the throttle response.. rolls, braking, all different
There's a reason why J got into an S4 from a Vagon

That being said
You didn't give it the beans

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Agreed ... They're a mid 12s @ 115mph kind of a car.

That's not exactly slow.
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Cars just keep getting more and more isolated. But a Camaro SS will have RS4 level performance for half the price.

Plus since Audi dropped their V8, we all know who wins the sound comparison
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Mike's point is not about the numbers or performance
He's remarking on the driving experience
It's totally fucking different

You have a shit ton of power
But most driving, especially city cruising, is stop and go
A 4 banger turbo or even a fairly strung V6 may feel peppier
It's not, but you may feel more engaged by it

A LS/LT V8 can feel numb
It's mild to wild..

So I understand his point, but at the same time
It sounds like he didn't explore the wild side



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