General Car Talk Discussion Thread
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Um,.. you will have a pretty big shoe to fill.
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My only qualm with the M5 is that the current generation is vastly shadowed over by everyone else right now. It's definitely a more conservative style that stays close to the 5 Series lineup (like the E39 M5 did; nothing to really stand out), and it's not talked about much. Still a lot of praise for it independently. It feels like the underdog when its put in conversation against what everyone else is building.
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^M5's focus is E63, not on those super cars. Just like E63, people who follow these cars will know them.
a well equipped Turbo, (Not turbo S), Not fully loaded and not S is about $180k and it is not faster (could be slower) than an M5. But it is a Porsche.. so that itself is worth $xx,xxx to some people.
Leasing is about $1000 a month more than the M5.
a well equipped Turbo, (Not turbo S), Not fully loaded and not S is about $180k and it is not faster (could be slower) than an M5. But it is a Porsche.. so that itself is worth $xx,xxx to some people.
Leasing is about $1000 a month more than the M5.
I've always loved the 4-door "coupe" look, starting with the first CLS that came out.
I like the way the SUVs look too. However in principle I fucking hate them.
The phrase 4-door coupe needs to die.
I like the way the SUVs look too. However in principle I fucking hate them.
The phrase 4-door coupe needs to die.
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^^ I'd still have the E63
Argh, AZ uploader put them in a wacky order. But I don't feel like making a new thread, nevermind resorting this mess on my phone.
Went to Munich for Oktoberfest then Stuttgart. Visited the BMW, MB, and Porsche museums. Saw some absolutely pristine models (must have spent 10 minutes gawking the E30 M3) up close. Well worth the entrance fees.
As for the first two seemingly random pics, I simply asked for stickshift rentals. They both happened to be diesel, which is relatively cheap over there.
The Opel Insignia (Buick Regal) wagon had the vaguest shifter I've had the displeasure of driving in a newer car. Diesel was also very noisy in the freeway high speeds (100+)
A3 TDI was a sweetheart. Quick and accurate steering, nice enough shifter for a luxury-ish car. Managed to get up to ~125mph on the Autobahn with it.
Next time I will plan it out better and make a trip to the Nurburgring. You can rent a track prepared vehicle and even have an instructor go with you.
Went to Munich for Oktoberfest then Stuttgart. Visited the BMW, MB, and Porsche museums. Saw some absolutely pristine models (must have spent 10 minutes gawking the E30 M3) up close. Well worth the entrance fees.
As for the first two seemingly random pics, I simply asked for stickshift rentals. They both happened to be diesel, which is relatively cheap over there.
The Opel Insignia (Buick Regal) wagon had the vaguest shifter I've had the displeasure of driving in a newer car. Diesel was also very noisy in the freeway high speeds (100+)
A3 TDI was a sweetheart. Quick and accurate steering, nice enough shifter for a luxury-ish car. Managed to get up to ~125mph on the Autobahn with it.
Next time I will plan it out better and make a trip to the Nurburgring. You can rent a track prepared vehicle and even have an instructor go with you.
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I only had time to check out the MB museum when I was there, not too long ago. Loved every minute of it. I wanted to hit up the Porsche museum also, but being with two women, they had enough of me drooling over cars
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That E30 M3......
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RE: Nurburgring. Make sure you read your rental agreement in full. A lot of Euro car rental places have a Nurburgring exclusion for their cars. That's where the local track rental is the way to go.
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Yeah, I wasn't planning on bringing the rental onto the track. Rather, I was gonna drive to the ring, then get a rental there with insurance.
One company offered stock cars to try, varying from stock GTIs and Civic Type Rs up to an M2 or even a GT3.
Team Owner
I’m sure it goes without saying, but know that track thoroughly. There are a few corners that are extremely unsuspecting and if you’re flying up to them, well, you’re boned. And you’re on the hook for the price of the car... assuming you’re not dead.
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Funny... 15 years ago, a first Gen M3 was like meh... whatever.
Now they’re becoming serious collector cars.
I wish I could predict which cars would become future classics.
Now they’re becoming serious collector cars.
I wish I could predict which cars would become future classics.
I definitely wouldn't go for a fast time, merely just at a comfortably brisk pace. The lack of real runoff scares me. Instructor would be a great idea.
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300SL is one of my grail cars, but I'd spend much time ogling the 300SLR.
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From running the Ring so many times in GT, I'd be wayyyy too scared to run in IRL even with my personal car unless I know a) free insurance and b) nobody else is running.
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Costco is gonna be setting 25 minute laps times. He's got nothing to worry about
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I will most likely be visiting next year. my GF asked me why Germany, i said to drive on autobahn.... you can guess her reaction
I am not gonna go crazy.. but the fact that i drove on the Ring and Autobahn is enough for me.
I am not gonna go crazy.. but the fact that i drove on the Ring and Autobahn is enough for me.
Collector car criteria? Relatively limited production or trim level, relatively high price tag when new, unique powertrain, high performance for its time, boom. Collector car.
Throw in Mk4 R32 in there as well.
Future collector car would be a 981 GT4 I'd think.
Throw in Mk4 R32 in there as well.
Future collector car would be a 981 GT4 I'd think.
It's crazy how good the drivers there are, generally. Next time I'm gonna rent something with more power.
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I heard there are a lot less "entitled" people there.
In the US. if i am holding traffic doing 65 in the fast lane, i am doing the speedlimit. fuck yall. If i see a car coming up fast behind me, instead of moving to the right, I brake check yo ass.
In the US. if i am holding traffic doing 65 in the fast lane, i am doing the speedlimit. fuck yall. If i see a car coming up fast behind me, instead of moving to the right, I brake check yo ass.
Ex-OEM King
I don't think the high price tag has anything to do with it simply because the Mk4 R32 and the S2000 were never expensive but here we are. Instead I'd toss in the "nothing else like it in production today" requirement.
Team Owner
Many cars over there are limited to 240km/h anyway.
It grows kind of old, kind of fast. I mean, it’s just getting to wherever your going, just like everyone around you. After five minutes you get bored of staying super focused on what is in front of you, and you end up slowing down anyway.
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A lot of the N/A high performance cars will be collectible cars one day if we continue the way we are with FI engines.
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autobahn is fine. Generally there are different speed limits for every lane down a section of autobahn. Big trucks must stay in the right lane... also the slowest speed limit. The very left lane is the fastest. And sometimes speed limitless (but not always). You better be flying when you get into a left lane though. I remember we were going 180km/h in the left, and an S class benz pulled up right to the bumper, flashing high beams and honking his horn. He was pissed he got cut off (I wasn’t driving). He must’ve been doing 230-240km/h.
Many cars over there are limited to 240km/h anyway.
It grows kind of old, kind of fast. I mean, it’s just getting to wherever your going, just like everyone around you. After five minutes you get bored of staying super focused on what is in front of you, and you end up slowing down anyway.
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I felt that their highway systems, and driving laws in general are way ahead of the curve. Coming back here, all I wanted to do was punch drivers all around me.
Azine Jabroni
But compared to everything else in Honda and VW's lineups at the time, they were up there. Majority of your Civic owners and Jetta owners weren't trading in to get a new R32 or S2000.
I miss how their lights work, in a way. There's separate ones for pedestrians and bicycles. And the light turns yellow for half a second before it turns green.
I think the NSX will be. Your average R8, ehh. Maybe a special edition version?
Ex-OEM King
I'd say if you want to continue your list of future collector cars I'd also add the Toyota MR2, Pontiac G8 GXP, Chevy SS, E46 M3, BMW 1M (already there), Dodge Viper, CTSV wagon, Lancer Evo, Mustang Boss 302, Shelby GT350/GT500, any Lotus model, etc...
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