General Car Talk Discussion Thread
10-03-2018, 03:29 PM
Well no but the high pricetag isn't what's giving them collector status, it was more about what they are vs what they cost. The R32 was a bonkers hatchback with a V6 engine and AWD, the S2000 was a tiny impractical Japanese roadster that, while sublime to drive, wasn't (isn't?) the best daily. Of course people weren't trading their more pedestrian models for these unique ones much in the same way that no one is trading their Focus SE in for an RS even today.
I'd say if you want to continue your list of future collector cars I'd also add the Toyota MR2, Pontiac G8 GXP, Chevy SS, E46 M3, BMW 1M (already there), Dodge Viper, CTSV wagon, Lancer Evo, Mustang Boss 302, Shelby GT350/GT500, any Lotus model, etc...
I'd say if you want to continue your list of future collector cars I'd also add the Toyota MR2, Pontiac G8 GXP, Chevy SS, E46 M3, BMW 1M (already there), Dodge Viper, CTSV wagon, Lancer Evo, Mustang Boss 302, Shelby GT350/GT500, any Lotus model, etc...
but I get you. I touched on the unique drivetrain part initially 
10-03-2018, 03:32 PM
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10-03-2018, 03:45 PM
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Totally. I believe to get your license there requires a pretty hefty fee, and to be able to drive a manual requires a separate certification process.
I miss how their lights work, in a way. There's separate ones for pedestrians and bicycles. And the light turns yellow for half a second before it turns green.
I think the NSX will be. Your average R8, ehh. Maybe a special edition version?
My ex was born and raised in Germany. She said that yes, getting your licence was pricey, but it was because they put you through some thorough driver training. It was mandatory for her to drive at night. It was mandatory to drive on the autobahn. It was mandatory to drive in rush hour. It was mandatory to actually parallel park. We don’t have any of that, here. Hell, when you parallel park here on your exam, it’s generally on an open street and you have to park not between two cars like you’d expect, But behind a single car, so you have zero chance of hitting anything. It’s a joke. The only thing I got docked points on my DL test was for parallel parking too quickly
i was like man... there’s nothing here. It doesn’t get any easier than this. They always say driving is a priviledge here, not a right. But the entire driver education system is setup as being a right. Any dick that can piss can get a licence.
10-03-2018, 03:51 PM
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i know quite a few people who can't drive freeway in their $100k S class. They just cannot drive freeway so they take local. Unless it is absolutely necessary, they don't change lane. They follow 1 lane from beginning to the end unless a left turn or right turn is needed.
One of them dropped me off once at LAX.... imagine 46 miles all local
Yes she somehow has a driver license
One of them dropped me off once at LAX.... imagine 46 miles all local
Yes she somehow has a driver license
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10-03-2018, 04:21 PM
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10-03-2018, 04:31 PM
i know quite a few people who can't drive freeway in their $100k S class. They just cannot drive freeway so they take local. Unless it is absolutely necessary, they don't change lane. They follow 1 lane from beginning to the end unless a left turn or right turn is needed.
One of them dropped me off once at LAX.... imagine 46 miles all local
Yes she somehow has a driver license
One of them dropped me off once at LAX.... imagine 46 miles all local
Yes she somehow has a driver license
10-03-2018, 05:32 PM
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Possibly.
But I tend to think we may be over-estimating our ability to actually know what will be collectible/valuable in the future. Obviously from a very amateur perspective, it's easy to say "NA, manual, limited editions" are the check boxes you need to make but who knows how the market/buyers will change in the next 20-30+ years.
I think a last gen NA V10 R8 can definitely be a candidate. As for the NSX, its not a popular right now, and with its low production number and a possibility of a late-bloomer appreciation status (as some others cars were not really praised when they came out but later developed a cult following) it may be collectible in the future...but who knows. If honda comes out with a NSX-R....
But I tend to think we may be over-estimating our ability to actually know what will be collectible/valuable in the future. Obviously from a very amateur perspective, it's easy to say "NA, manual, limited editions" are the check boxes you need to make but who knows how the market/buyers will change in the next 20-30+ years.
I think a last gen NA V10 R8 can definitely be a candidate. As for the NSX, its not a popular right now, and with its low production number and a possibility of a late-bloomer appreciation status (as some others cars were not really praised when they came out but later developed a cult following) it may be collectible in the future...but who knows. If honda comes out with a NSX-R....
Last edited by nist7; 10-03-2018 at 05:35 PM.
10-03-2018, 05:32 PM
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i know quite a few people who can't drive freeway in their $100k S class. They just cannot drive freeway so they take local. Unless it is absolutely necessary, they don't change lane. They follow 1 lane from beginning to the end unless a left turn or right turn is needed.
One of them dropped me off once at LAX.... imagine 46 miles all local
Yes she somehow has a driver license
One of them dropped me off once at LAX.... imagine 46 miles all local
Yes she somehow has a driver license
10-03-2018, 05:34 PM
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Yeah, but you get into some weird shit where in most cities in north america driving is a required skill for someone living alone.
10-03-2018, 06:00 PM
Welcome to LA.
10-03-2018, 06:18 PM
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10-03-2018, 07:50 PM
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man so weird...people in 100k S-class not knowing how to drive...wtf. Maybe they're like parents to rich adult children who did well and now are buying their parents nice cars but the old guys/gals didn't really learn how to properly drive in the first place....
10-03-2018, 08:08 PM
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being rich has nothing to do with ability to drive... 0..... with the exception of Pros.
They can buy you nice cars but if you cant drive then you can't drive. It doesnt matter you have a lambo or a Corolla.
They can buy you nice cars but if you cant drive then you can't drive. It doesnt matter you have a lambo or a Corolla.
10-03-2018, 08:33 PM
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10-03-2018, 08:45 PM
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10-03-2018, 08:51 PM
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Though from a social stand point, it seems that if one is from a nice/well to do family...you're more able to afford cars at earlier ages or get a car for birthday at 16..and given that earlier exposure to cars, you should be more likely to be at least ok/decent at normal driving...though exceptions are always the case. vs say someone who grew up poor in NYC and would have had much less driving experience/exposure...obviously simply having money does not directly translate to superior driving, but factoring other variables, you would expect a trend towards more likely to drive vs not...again exceptions always are there
10-03-2018, 08:58 PM
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I've seen a few 3G TLs here and there...STILL looks very good and not hugely outdated at all. That design has really stood the test of time well
10-03-2018, 11:15 PM
Possibly.
But I tend to think we may be over-estimating our ability to actually know what will be collectible/valuable in the future. Obviously from a very amateur perspective, it's easy to say "NA, manual, limited editions" are the check boxes you need to make but who knows how the market/buyers will change in the next 20-30+ years.
I think a last gen NA V10 R8 can definitely be a candidate. As for the NSX, its not a popular right now, and with its low production number and a possibility of a late-bloomer appreciation status (as some others cars were not really praised when they came out but later developed a cult following) it may be collectible in the future...but who knows. If honda comes out with a NSX-R....
But I tend to think we may be over-estimating our ability to actually know what will be collectible/valuable in the future. Obviously from a very amateur perspective, it's easy to say "NA, manual, limited editions" are the check boxes you need to make but who knows how the market/buyers will change in the next 20-30+ years.
I think a last gen NA V10 R8 can definitely be a candidate. As for the NSX, its not a popular right now, and with its low production number and a possibility of a late-bloomer appreciation status (as some others cars were not really praised when they came out but later developed a cult following) it may be collectible in the future...but who knows. If honda comes out with a NSX-R....
I personally think the 996 Turbo may be a nice car pick up now. If the value doesn't go up, it's still a fun car to drive and not overly complicated like a 997T. But, as we've seen the 964/993 Turbos, values jumped tremendously. Find an example with moderate use and some rather rare options or PTS, and you may be sitting on something special in the next 3-5 years as the 992 gen. begins entering the market.
There are always stupid low mileage cars as well if you can get 'em. 1,200 mile Integra Type R sold for $64,000 & a sub-500 mile 2002 M5 sold for $176,000 this year.
Last edited by Rick_TL-S; 10-03-2018 at 11:17 PM.
10-04-2018, 07:17 AM
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US drivers are pretty bad but for the most part traffic is organized. I'd probably rank us toward the bottom of the G8 countries based on hearsay except for exceptions like Scandinavian countries and other developed Euro countries.
Here's a list of the worst. I've been to DR a few times and I loooooove Miami when I get back. I'm too fucking scared to drive there.
https://www.hotcars.com/ranking-the-...rs-cant-drive/
Here's a list of the worst. I've been to DR a few times and I loooooove Miami when I get back. I'm too fucking scared to drive there.
https://www.hotcars.com/ranking-the-...rs-cant-drive/
10-04-2018, 11:59 AM
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10-04-2018, 12:02 PM
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yeah, for sure, lots of examples of that on the youtube of rich people not able to drive.
Though from a social stand point, it seems that if one is from a nice/well to do family...you're more able to afford cars at earlier ages or get a car for birthday at 16..and given that earlier exposure to cars, you should be more likely to be at least ok/decent at normal driving...though exceptions are always the case. vs say someone who grew up poor in NYC and would have had much less driving experience/exposure...obviously simply having money does not directly translate to superior driving, but factoring other variables, you would expect a trend towards more likely to drive vs not...again exceptions always are there
Though from a social stand point, it seems that if one is from a nice/well to do family...you're more able to afford cars at earlier ages or get a car for birthday at 16..and given that earlier exposure to cars, you should be more likely to be at least ok/decent at normal driving...though exceptions are always the case. vs say someone who grew up poor in NYC and would have had much less driving experience/exposure...obviously simply having money does not directly translate to superior driving, but factoring other variables, you would expect a trend towards more likely to drive vs not...again exceptions always are there
I think this is very regional based. Almost everyone (except for fobs) started to drive at the age of 15-18 here in LA. You cant live without a car here.
Poor or rich, you will be driving. Unless you are so poor that you have to take the bus, then driving skills are probably least of their worries.
The only difference is you either drive a POS or a BMW as your first car.
10-04-2018, 12:06 PM
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US drivers are pretty bad but for the most part traffic is organized. I'd probably rank us toward the bottom of the G8 countries based on hearsay except for exceptions like Scandinavian countries and other developed Euro countries.
Here's a list of the worst. I've been to DR a few times and I loooooove Miami when I get back. I'm too fucking scared to drive there.
https://www.hotcars.com/ranking-the-...rs-cant-drive/
Here's a list of the worst. I've been to DR a few times and I loooooove Miami when I get back. I'm too fucking scared to drive there.
https://www.hotcars.com/ranking-the-...rs-cant-drive/
every time i was in their Taxi (Grab, no Uber). It is too much even by 
country standard.I first thought the scooter situation was bad in Taiwan.... until i visited Vietnam... i dont know how they dont get hit by cars at least 2 times a day there.'
Depends on the definition of "ability to drive" Asian country drivers are probably the most skilled one... cuz i know 1 thing for sure, none of us will be able to drive in Vietnam...
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10-04-2018, 12:24 PM
when I visited Ho Chi Minh city (Saigon) I saw several scooter accidents. with the lack of health care and general uncleanliness; I hope they lived.
10-04-2018, 12:30 PM
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Check out traffic in Jakarta for example...
10-04-2018, 12:47 PM
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I've only ever ridden in a car in India. It is utter chaos, I couldn't imagine driving there let alone riding a motorcycle/scooter.
10-04-2018, 12:50 PM
Azine Jabroni
I've only ever driven in New Zealand outside the US. I was told I couldn't drive in Manila. I was told correctly.
10-04-2018, 12:51 PM
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So the phrase "Asian can't drive" is not true... It is not they can't drive, they just dont care about you
10-04-2018, 12:53 PM
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10-04-2018, 01:04 PM
The worst drivers I know are women 
And old people.
Combine the two, and you have a recipe for disaster
And old people.
Combine the two, and you have a recipe for disaster
10-04-2018, 01:30 PM
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What about old asian women drivers?
10-04-2018, 01:35 PM
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10-04-2018, 01:36 PM
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It’s pretty much the equivalent of a group of people standing at a car meet, and a mustang decides to pull in...
10-04-2018, 01:45 PM
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Old women should not be driving in General...That is like saying old asian women drivers drive 20mph in a 50mph zone and old white grandma drives 22mph and Hispanic grandma drives 25mph....
The only difference is their reaction after they hit you.
The only difference is their reaction after they hit you.
10-04-2018, 01:47 PM
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Hispanic grandma owns all other grandmas 
10-04-2018, 01:52 PM
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And toss in an old asian woman and you've got the trifecta of terrible driver. Even more comical when that individual is rocking a Yukon XL or some other enormous vehicle of IDGAF about anyone else.
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10-04-2018, 02:21 PM
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can afford a 911 GT2 and drives 20 in a 60 zone, it's not because they can't drive, it's because they don't give a fark. I know I would do that.
10-04-2018, 02:22 PM
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While it may be apples and oranges, it's pretty much the same sorta concept for me when I'm asked why I paid $$ for a "Seiko" instead of something Swiss.
My shrug is...cuz, I can?
My shrug is...cuz, I can?
10-04-2018, 02:23 PM
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"Why do you buy a big house and a walkout yard without hardly any grass and just landscaping rocks, boulders, and etc.?
"Cuz, I can?"
"Cuz, I can?"